Lyr Req: Red is the Rose (Scottish version)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 12:32 PM

hey guys n gals,this is al well n good HOWEVER,my conclusion is,these songs are all derived from melodies which travelled alot further than between ireland and scotland n so on.The roots to the airs of these songs are old as singing and they cannot be categorized like modern songs.No one country can claim such a grand prize

For some songs that's true, but not for this one. It occurs in Scottish sources of the mid-18th century and was mentioned in several other Scottish sources of the period. There's no trace of it anywhere else that early, and no trace of any other melody that might have descended from some ur-version known elsewhere at the same time. That suggests very strongly that it was a uniquely Scottish tune.

Subject: Lyr Add: HOW SWEET THE ROSE BLAWS
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 09 Sep 09 - 12:14 PM

From Vagabond Songs and Ballads of Scotland by Robert Ford (Paisley and London: Alexander Gardner, 1899), page 210:


HOW SWEET THE ROSE BLAWS.

How sweet the rose blaws, it fades and it fa's;
Red is the rose and bonnie O!
It brings to my mind what my dear laddie was;
So bloomed,—so cut off, was my Johnnie, O.

Now peace is returned, but nae joy brings to me:
Red is the rose and bonnie O!
For cauld is his cheek, and blameless his e'e,
And nae mair beats the heart o' my Johnnie, O.

Ah! why did he love me, and leave those sweet plains?
Red is the rose and bonnie O!
Where smiling contentment and peace ever reigns;
But they'll ne'er bloom again for my Johnnie O.

Nor to me will their beauty e'er pleasure impart,
Red is the rose and bonnie O!
For sunk is my spirit and broken my heart:
Soon I'll meet ne'er to part frae my Johnnie O.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: skarpi
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 06:04 AM

well the Icelandic version ( Lyric ) is on its way on cd soon
kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: GUEST,martin furey
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 05:40 AM

hey guys n gals,this is al well n good HOWEVER,my conclusion is,these songs are all derived from melodies which travelled alot further than between ireland and scotland n so on.The roots to the airs of these songs are old as singing and they cannot be categorized like modern songs.No one country can claim such a grand prize.They are the echoes of our ancestors and i am tired of reading about people bickering over flags where music is concerned.shalom

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 04:56 PM

I've always understood it was put together by Tommy Makem.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: GUEST,Billy
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 10:41 AM

There is a song: "The Heidless Cross" by George Weir which begins, "Red is the rose that blooms sae braw, Where yorlins sing sae clearly, Grey is the cross that's shorn in twa', where yince we lo'ed sae dearly." Recorded by the Corries on "Strings and Things". Does this sound anything like the song you are looking for.

Subject: ADD Version: RED IS THE ROSE
From: Barry Finn
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 12:46 AM

RED IS THE ROSE

1. Over the mountain down in the glen
By a little thatched cot in the valley
Where the thrush & the linnet sing their song & their ditty
And my love's leaning over the half door

CHORUS:
Red is the rose that in yonder garden grows.
Fair is the lily of the valley.
Clear is the water that flows from the stream,
But my love is fairer than any.

2. Down by the seashore on a cold summer's eve
With the moon raising over the heather
The moon, it shone clear on her locks of golden hair
As she vowed she'd be my love forever

3. It's not for the parting with my sister Kate.
It's not for the loss of my mother.
But it's for the loss of my bonny blue eyed lass
That I'm leaving my home land forever.


I probably got this from the singing of Joe Heany maybe 30 yrs ago & he said he had it from his grandfather when he was a very young boy.
Joe also said he believed it was older than Lock Lomond but he gave no reason as to why he believed that. Joe sang this in his remarkable Connamara sean nos style which distinguishes his version from the version Tommy got from his mother.

Barry

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 10:32 PM

G'day GUEST,

I see from the post immediately above yours that I was going to post words and, presumably, the (now not supported by Mudcat) MIDItext of the tune ... although that is exactly the same as Loch Lomond. I can't remember whether what was left of my brains drained away in the mid-summer heat of Christmas eve - or if I decided to leave it as the (fairly) similar version of the words posted above me by Gypsy.

Anyway ... the tune (~ = 'instrumental") is that of Loch Lomond - so you only need that fairly easily obtained sheet music (unless you have someone wanting to sing the "Irish" version).

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 08:36 PM

Does anyone know a version of "red is the rose" that is instrumental? I am trying to find it for my sister's wedding and your help would be geatly appreciated.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 11:25 PM

G'day Trianam,

I have the words of Red is the Rose - the the tune Loch Lomond in my song file ... somewhere ... We used to do it at my Monday Night Music / Singing workshop - but haven't in the last few years. When I find it I will post it ... I suspect the song might be Northern Irish ... but I would appreciate it if someone has an honest provenance!

(Hmmm ... I don't seem to have the words on this computer ... I'll have to find the paper version and scan it in ...)

Regards,

Bob

Subject: ADD Version: RED IS THE ROSE
From: Gypsy
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 09:53 PM

RED IS THE ROSE

1. Come over the hills, my bonny Irish lass.
Come over the hills to your darling.
You chose the road, love, and I'll make a vow
That I'll be your true love forever.

CHORUS: Red is the rose that in yonder garden grows.
Fair is the lily of the valley.
Clear is the water that flows from the Boyne,
But my love is fairer than any.

2. It's down in Killarney's green woods that we strayed,
When the moon and the stars they were shinin';
For the moon shone its rays on her locks of golden hair
And she said she'd be my love forever.

3. It's not for the parting with my sister Kate.
It's not for the grief of my mother.
It's all for the loss of my bonny Irish lass
That my heart is breaking forever.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: Juan P-B
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 01:34 PM

The "Red is the rose that in yonder garden grows" is to the tune of "Loch Lomond" if that help. I'm waiting on the lovely Caroline to send me the words

Juan P-B

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: GUEST,folkiefrank
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 07:31 PM

I still haven't tracked down a recording by Arhie, but he's been singing it for about 30 years, so he must have recorded it. Probably the confusion is that it's not called Red Is The Rose. Anyway, it is sung to the tune of Loch Lomond,which is a Jacobite song in which the executed rebel tells his loved one that he'll take the low road (spiritual road ?) and be home in Scotland before they will. Micheal's version of the song, which I had the pleasure of hearing first hand in concert in Thurso, Scotland, 2002, is probably as true to the original as you can get, Runrig's is a bloody travesty....but hey! That's Rock for you!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: Strupag
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 06:28 PM

Loch Lomand is a very old Scots song but was,recently popularised due to a great version by the Skye band "Runrig".

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: 12string growler
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 02:46 PM

or could it be:-
Red is the Rose, that my true love wears    ?
I'm not able to offer more, but I do know that it was recorded by a Scottish bloke, Sorry I can't remember who.

Not a lot of use really but it might jog somebody elses memory

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: GUEST,folkiefrank
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 02:28 PM

Red Is the Rose (trad/Makem) is on the CD "Two For the Early Dew",Blackbird BLB 1007, by Tommy Makem & Liam Clancy. Probably recorded by Archie Fisher as well, but haven't traced that one yet.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 01:44 PM

I didn't link Loch Lomond (click) with our "Red Is the Rose" threads because it would make too long a string. We have three versions of "Loch Lomond" in the Digital Tradition, and lots of threads on the song.
Sorry, Trianam, that I didn't think that "Loch Lomond" was the song you were seeking. Now we know.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: Juan P-B
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 12:48 PM

Is it the one that goes

red is the rose that in yonder garden grows
Sweet is the lily of the valley

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: GUEST,Douglas
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 12:36 PM

For the lyrics of Loch Lomond (and other Scottish Songs) visit
www.rampantscotland.com/songs/blsongs_index.htm

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: trianam
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 08:46 AM

Thank's for the hint....I was looking for the lyrics of Loch Lomond...I heard it live performed by Michael O'Domhnaill. But which version is the oldest or the most common one?
Thanx,
Chris

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 03:29 AM

Can you give us any snippets from the lyrics you're seeking, Chris? See the links above for related lyrics and threads.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: Lyr Req: Red is the Rose - Scottish version...
From: trianam
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 02:58 AM

Hi folks,
I'm looking for a version of "Red is the Rose" but it has a different title but similar lyrics and the same tune. I recently heard it by a Scotsman. I'd love to play the Scottish version.
I hope anyone knows it cause I'd love to play that version,
Chris