BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 10:03 PM

I love my parents, but I would NEVER want my parents to be given power over my spouse in an issue like this. NEVER!!! They simply don't know me intimately like my spouse does. That simple.

There are always a lot of people connected by blood and marriage and friendship who have an interest in the outcome in cases like these. But it doesn't mean they should have a say in them, or be able to overrule the legal guardian.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 11:40 PM

Only if you think watching your brain-dead child in a hospital setting for 15-years is a reasonable alternative, MG. Those parents have been seduced by the hyperbole of the religious right into thinking that being sustained mechanically by stomach tube for 15 years is "life."

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 11:46 PM

Ahhhhh, please see my post on the other thread...

Thanks...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 11:49 PM

I read the latest news in the Telegraph online that GWB will sign a bill preventing Terry Schiavo from dying. Surely the case for this unforunate family is now being made worse by the intervention and name calling of both policitians and lawyers of all hues added to which the smears by members of the wifes family are not helping.

My father nursed my step-mother for many years as she declined due to altzhiemers. He looked after her as she went through the 'odd behaviour' stage and continued to look after her after she had a stroke. He knew there was no way of her recovering, he spent a small fortune on drugs which for a period regressed her illness, but then she went over the edge and into the really odd behaviour stage.

It was an awfull thing to see some one you love (she was never a wicked step-mother)degenrate into someone you know to look at but is not the same person who you have loved.

Mercifully she passed away peacefully and unassisted. This made me think what would I want if it were me in such a condition.

Terry Schiavo is in a permanent vegitative state, nothing can bring her back, her husband wants her to die with some remaining dignity. I would totally agree with him.

I do not want to be ever left in such a condition, nor do I want to put my family through torment, should it ever happen, by having them watch me become something I am not.

Living wills should be allowed and respected for adults.

The case becomes more complex when it is a child and for parents to have to make such a decision must be the most traumatic and tragic choice of their lives.

This issue is so contentious as life is sacred whether you believe in God or not, but also the choice of a reasonably dignified death under certain circumstances should also be held sacred.

Whatever, it is an issue that will bring out the views of many people, nice to see that so many of the posts I have read on this have been thoughtful and coherant.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Boab
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 12:28 AM

I don't have a view either way in this, as I don't know all the facts, neither concerning the mental condition of the lady who is brain-damaged, or of the motives of the husband in the case. But I find a sick feeling in my gut when I see something which has been the death of many thousands, and setting sail fair for being the death of thousands more "cutting short his holiday" in order to lead the high-profile charge "to save a life". Either he is a monumental hypocrite, or he's another case of braindead. I don't merely doubt his sincerity; I think there is none there at all.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 01:26 AM

I have to rise to Martin Gibbon's bait, if only to inform:

My sister in Greece did watch her 11-year old daughter die - of cancer of the ovaries, which metastacised all over her little body. In the end little Olga was in agony, and my sister, wife of a doctor and a doctor herself, but a mother above all, asked the hospital staff to give her a very powerful anaesthetic (don't know the name) that she could inject herself into her daughter, to end her suffering. Had Olga been on life support, my sister would have yanked the tubes herself. She was not allowed to do any of that, of course, the hospital staff being more "enlightened" like Martin. So she had to continue seeing little Olga writhe in pain for another two days.

Was justice and propriety served?

And to show that my sister had full presence of mind: I was getting married in the UK the previous weekend. I was all for postponing the wedding, but she insisted that we go ahead, and forced my father to make the trip to be at the service for us, because (her words) life goes on and we must not allow death to win by allowing him to sadden us.

Now, Terri Schiavo's parents may proclaim faith in God and all that; but in my view their unholy persistence in holding on to life here and now at any price belies their lack of belief in an afterlife and the redemption that comes with it. Some Christians...

Am I proud of my sis? You bet your arse I am!
Martin, you have the morality of an amoeba.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 08:41 PM

I think terrys parents are doing the right thing their has been people that have came outta the same state that terry is in. God still works wonders if you just belive. i think terry's husband should stop all this non since and let it go let her parents take care of her if he wants to move on with his soon to be wife. Taking her feeding tube out is doing nothing but making him a murder. starving her is not the right thing to do.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST,cathy
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 08:48 PM

I agree with the last statement i think terrys husband should not leave the feeding tube out and let her die. He married her for better or worse up date all schiavos test's don't murder her.if you can't go on give the respect and let her parents take over. i think it is beond wrong to take her feeding tube out and to go so low as to not let her parents have a say so.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 08:53 PM

i am 100 percent with you i think it is murder to take her feeding tube out.Are they going to do this to all people who can't speek for their shelf or who doesn't have a will. I am agest terry's husband 1000 percent. HE IS NOTHING BUT A MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 10:02 PM

You are right, Guest, and their are MudCatters here who support killing babies also. Why? Because a broad wanted to fuck a guy and got knocked up.

I'm not talking about rape here. I am talking about the women who just are careless and irresponsible.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Amos
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 10:06 PM

Delightful to see how scrupulously you stand for the preservation of life, Martin -- as long as it is not Iraqi women and children, who are disposable. What ridiculous hypocrisy!


A

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 10:34 PM

Sol made a judgement of what "would have been considered barbaric years ago"...

20 years ago I had dozens of nursing friends. Those that worked in nursing homes frequently were given orders to withdraw food and water from patients who had lost consciousness along with the swallow reflex. Along with family approval it was the doctor's call to give the order.

The nurses who snuck a damp cloth into the room and squeezed a few drops of water into the mouths of the condemned were reprimanded.

The process of death is a difficult albeit natural act for most people to contend with. The "rabbi" included.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 10:42 PM

el Greko George, I would be very proud to belong to such a family as yours.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 10:48 PM

Donuel:
I suggest that the major change from those days you mention to these is that now we live in more litigious times. We can still have humane end-of-life treatment, but that little piece of paper (living will or health care proxy) MUST be made out and signed or significant disagreements may blow out of all proportion. Some good may come out of this if people learn that lesson.
My parents had these documents, and by assigning a family member as point person, things went very smoothly. The medical people knew who to talk to, who had responsibility for decisions, hence they were helpful and eager to help with the proper decisions.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 11:26 AM

Rabbi Sol said, in part:

It appears that even a convicted murderer on death row has more legal rights for appeal then Terri Schiavo.

Awwww, come onnnn!! There's been legal action after legal action, and appeal after appeal in this case. Nineteen judges, not counting the federal appeals judges. All finding for the husband. You're flat-out wrong on that one.

I submit to you that the lethal injection given in executions is a lot more humane than taking away food and hydration which will cause a slow and painful death that may take as much as a week.

I submit right back at you that lack of food and dehydration does not produce a painful death, despite the evident propagandistic attractiveness of that expression to you. Particularly so in her case, but otherwise too. As the body proceeds to call on fat and muscle to sustain itself, the ketone level rises in the blood, which dulls appetite and hunger sensations. Eventually the ketone levels affect one of the organs (and I'm sorry, I can't remember which one or ones, particularly), which shut down and death ensues.

You express one of several positions of Jewish thought on the subject of removal of the feeding and nutrition tubes. One such position is of course as you seem to express it, that removal of the tube is in effect an aggressive act which kills the patient. This might be a meritorious argument if the feeding and hydration were treating the patient's condition. But another perfectly good Jewish outlook is that if all the feeding and hydration does is to delay death of the body, rather than treating the condition, its removal is not the cause of death.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 11:44 AM

Let her rest in peace soon.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 11:47 AM

" can physically keep on living"
That's not living... that's keeping meat alive... there's a BIG difference...

"I am AGAINST all forms of euthanasia"
Then I dismiss your opinion as closed minded...

"This is euthanasia as practiced by Nazi Germany."
Hey... The Nazis worked HARD at being evil... don't pin that title on just any little Tom Dick or Harry that comes along...

"I do no feel that I should have to dignify your last question with a response"
That's because you're wrong and he's right!

"any person or persons who wished stop Mr. Schiavo from murdering his wife, would be pardoned... by me"
So... so much for morals and ethics eh... Now who's the Nazi? Two-faced ingnoranus!

"Sol has killed his own integrity... I, find his words disgusting."
You're not alone... To continue to refer to this idiot as "Rabbi" is insulting...

If anyone I knew and loved was in her state, I'd 'pull the plug' in a heart-beat... exactly the same as I'd want them to do for me if I was in that state...

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 11:55 AM

Rabbi Sol says "For those of you who believe in legal murder, why don't you just give her a lethal injection like you do at an execution instead of removing food and hydration ? You put animals to sleep. You don't starve and dehydrate them to death. Does a human being deserve worse than an animal ?
                                                SOL ZELLER "

I am surprised that any "man of God" should have so little compassion. You use words like 'euthanasia' and 'murder' and 'nazi' here yet you do not know what you are talking about. The poor lady has been dead for 15 years and only kept artificially alive, against her wishes, by people who do not realise that it is God who should decide the time of life and death - not some Rabbi or Priest or Pastor who has never met the lady.

Save your own rantings for your congregation rather than attack the man who has, for many years, fought for his wife's right to die naturally rather than have her life prolonged unnaturally.

Stop using emotive and inacurate words to slander those who have at last granted this lady's wish to go to heaven.

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 12:15 PM

"Susan,
       For the record I am AGAINST all forms of euthanasia."


This is not a case of euthanasia. It is a case of allowing a person to die naturally rather than to keep her alive artificially. If you cannot understand that, Rabbi, then you need to think hard about who it really is who behaves as a Nazi. (It was you who first used this word in this thread?) You want to use science to deny someone the right to die a natural death when ha Shem has called her home. Michael merely wanted to see his wife allowed to die naturally and all that stuff about denying her sustenance is rubbish because that is exactly what the body naturally does when it is dying.

You are, apparently, not evil. But you seem to prefer the evil of prolonging the poor lady's death for decades to the good of allowing her to go to her make naturally.

I think a good long time in prayer with your Torah might make you think of the words "For I desire mercy and not sacrifice".

You think in terms of hate. Like ha Shem you should desire mercy.

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 12:29 PM

Bruce said (of the so-called rabbi) "I think it is wrong of people to impune his dignity"

WHAT! He has called Michael Sciavo a Murderer. He has accused him of gross immorality. He has stated that all those who have lost loved ones and defended Michael are like Nazis. He has shown not one iota of sympathy for those who have suffered loss and has ranted against all that is decent. He has no dignity. He has shown no mercy or compassion, only hate. He does not deserve the title of Rabbi and he has said nothing that could possibly command my respect.

As another of the many people who has watched a loved one die, I consider everything he has said of Michael to apply to me too. I sincerely hope this "rabbi" does not represent the majority of Judaism.

Frank Lane

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 12:36 PM

Brucie says "Possibly so, SRS, but I know him to be humane and decent"

Possibly so, Brucie, but we can only know him by the fruits we see. What I have seen is hatred, malice, venom, false witness, ignorance, vile accusations.

That is neither humane or decent.

I could add (and remember that it was the si-devant rabbi who brought nazism into this thread) that many people would have said that Hitler was humane and decent.

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 12:53 PM

What about that "in sickness and in health" clause?

Anyhow, I'd be curious to know how many people who side with Mr. Schiavo also oppose the death penalty. Just wonderin.

In sickness and in health has absolutely nothing to do with keeping a person alive artificially just because it can happen. In sickness and in health means that when a loved one is sick, you see them through it. When they are dying you care for them until their time comes to go. It also means that if they have expressed an opinion about not wanting to be kept alive artificially you respect that rather than turning them into a museum piece.

I oppose the death penalty for one reason only - the many people who have been executed and then discovered to have been innocent. However, I do not see the connection. The question seems to suggest that allowing a dying person to die is somehow the same as executing a murderer or swatting a fly. These are totally different things. The nearest "connected" things I can think of are Euthanasia (which this is NOT) and Abortion. On both subjects I have loose ends though in principal I'm against them both. (The loose ends are that I can always think of exceptions but the exceptions should not be the rule).

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 12:55 PM

The rabbit says "Therefore to carry the argument of the majority on this board one step further, we should also take all the Alzheimer patients who no longer recognize any of their loved ones and are mental vegetables for all practical purposes and refuse to give them food and water, so they will die sooner rather than later. Furthermore priority should be given to those who have partners with pressing sexual needs so that they can be guilt free when being serviced elsewhere. Make s sense to me.
                                              SOL ZELLER "


Sorry Brucie - this is SICK SICK SICK. How you can support this evil man is beyond me!

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 12:57 PM

You gonna answer each post in this thread with a post of your own Frank?

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 12:59 PM

Frank Lane/Eagle wing/Toilet Stain

the rabbi is a good man and does represent the voice of Orthodox Judiasm.

You are a complete prick and represent the Orthodox Jew's biggest enemy, the Nazi

You support killers. Your favorite greeting is obviously zieg heil.

Fuck you in the nose.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 01:06 PM

"We are talking about food and water here; not pain meds and oxygen.
It will be an unnatural death without food and water rather than a natural death.
                                        SOL ZELLER"

You have obviously not read, or not understood, what has been said many times. When a body is dying naturally it begins, of itself, to reject food and water. The unnatural thing here is the forced feeding which prevents the body from shutting down naturally. If you cannot understand that then you should withdraw your remarks until you have had time to discover what dying actually is.

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 01:13 PM

McGrath says It always has struck me as the height of legalistic hypocracy for withdrawal of food and water to be somehow seen as an acceptable way of bringing about death in a way that doing it directly is not.

I have to disagree with you on this one McGrath. The point here is that the food and water are not so much being "withdrawn" as the forced feeding being stopped. We're not talking about starving the person but no longer force-feeding them. By removing these artificial stimuli the body is allowed to take it's natural course - to die.

Leastways, that's how I understand it.

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 01:22 PM

Guest,
       I do no feel that I should have to dignify your last question with a response. Any human body, no matter what physical condition it is in needs sustenance to exist. It is only common sense. There are people in 3rd world countries starving to death every day. I do not understand where you are coming from.

                                              SOL ZELLER

SOL, Are you really as unintelligent as this post makes you seem or is it just an act?

I should have thought that the post that you were replying to was about as clear as anything could be. Yet your response appears to show that you neither understand life or death. Read it again, and again and again, SOL, until you understand what is being said to you.

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 01:35 PM

Regardless of your personal feelings about the right or wrong of this case, perhaps a bit of compassion for Rabbi Sol's feelings?

WHY? Not only has he shown no compassion for anybody else, he has shown no respect. He has continually insulted and attacked. He knows nothing of showing mercy. He only needed a few more swear words to make me believe his initials were MG (though the one posting here that I've seen from MG was very, very balanced).

I would love to have more compassion for Rabbi Sol's feelings. I feel, somehow, that I'm letting Jesus down by not showing more compassion but even Jesus got angry about people who spouted only hatred.

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 01:51 PM

Martin said "I hope all of you who do not agree that her parents have no say get to watch your child die before your eyes, also.

Deal with that."

I find it difficult to believe that you are really laying such a curse on people, Martin. I do NOT hope that you will have to watch people keeping any of your loved ones artificially alive for decades while you know that all they want is to die peacefully. Having watched my wife die - and then had to answer questions of the police at 5 a.m. because the illness was sudden - I know what it is like to lose someone very dear to me. For you to wish that on anyone is unworthy.

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: EagleWing
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:10 PM

Oh dear, Martin,

I was beginning to think that your posts to this thread were a little more balanced than usual.

I was wrong. I am also saddened to hear that Orthodox Judaism is genuinely represented by yourself and Sol.

I believe that the Nazi's were actually in favour of human experiments which is not the same as being in favour of allowing dying people to die in peace.

Frank L.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:26 PM

I hate to start a post like this, but I will never again refer to Sol Zeller as Rabbi. Any man who starts a thread talking about the sanctity of life, then puts out a thinly veiled OK to murder is no Rabbi. As I read his posts, I am astounded at the contradictions. I have known, and sought the guidance of, several Rabbi's. One of them I count as the wisest holy man I know. They would never advocate that which was implied by Zeller's post.

Folks, my understanding is that Schiavo used most of the $1,000,000 to take care of his wife. Zeller's crude comments about Schiavo's motives with regard to his "dick" are inexcusable. Zeller has absolutely no knowledge of what drives this man, as I don't. But I do know that he was a loving husband, that he has tried to take care of his wife and honor her wishes. Zeller mentioned in one of his posts that convicted killers have more right to appeal than Terri. I would love to hear her appeal. OH ...... that's right ....... we can't hear her appeal, because has been vegetative with no chance for recovery for 15 years.

What this issue comes down to for me is that folks view death as a failure, a horror. It is not. From the moment we are born, we begin to die. It is the final act in this part of the journey. The inability to accept it as a part of the journey is what makes folks think that a tragedy is going on.

Terri, God be good to her, is only "alive" because we keep her that way through extraordinary means. When we judge Michael, we need to look at his actions prior to the tragedy. He was a loving husband. There is nothing to suggesgt anything else. Looking at his actions at the beginning of the tragedy, we can see that his intentions were to do all he could to do right by his wife. It was only when it was clear that all hope was gone that he decided to let inevitability take its course. He gave another look at himself when he was offered an extraordinary amount of money to let others decide his wife's fate a few weeks ago. He turned it down and pursued what he felt was the wishes of his spouse.

Of all the players in this tragedy I ache most for the parents. The damned politicians with there incessant meddling for political gain have caused these people to be able to cling to a thread. Understandably they want to believe, they do not want to let go of their child. On an intellectual level, I believe what I said a couple of paragraphs back. From the perspective of a Dad, I would want to cling to any hope. By their craven pandering, these flyshit politicians are prolonging the agony, and not allowing these good folks to face the inevitable, and deal with it. Will they ever recover? I don't know, but what chance they had is likely over now.

One cannot respect life without respecting death. In the 21st century we seem to have forgotten that.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:43 PM

Your a fat pig, Big Mick

Isn't it time for another pint? I'll bet you've known more priests who have fondled little boys than Rabbis.

BTW, I am not Orthodox. but I respect Rabbi Sol as a fine Rabbi.

And EagleWing/Frankie boy, Jesus sure has let you down. but keep the faith, Bud, and put some extra change on the plate for him, will ya?

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:53 PM

Martin, once again you demonstrate your considerable intellectual deficit. The best you can do, because you are ignorant, is make these comments. Aside from exposing you for the idiot you are here on the Mudcat, I sincerely hope that I meet you face to face one day so I can do the same in public. And, with any luck, you will react in a violent way so that I may show exactly what it is that I know. In the meantime, please continue to demonstrate what a fine Jewish man you are.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:55 PM

"I respect Rabbi Sol as a fine Rabbi"
In the same way that other loonies respect Charles Manson...   Birds of a feather...

Keep posting Martin... you're only confirming what a doofus you are, and justifying peoples low opinion of you... Be glad it's not MY message board... your IP'd be blocked in a heart beat...

Now go ahead... string together some more meaningless profanity, like the good little troll you are... Prove my point...

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:04 PM

I don't want to stop anyone posting about Rabbi Sol, but the irate responses come a bit late, the last post by him is two months old.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:13 PM

Big Mick, too bad.

If I ever meet you, which I wouldn't bother wasting my time with, I would expose you as the ignorant, drunk, baby-killing veteran you are.
And fat, also.

Keep it up. Shanty Irish shooting their mouths off are common in Chicago. but ones posing as intellectuals are especially laughable.

Clinton Hammond, you are another one. It's you who are ignorant. And too fucking bad, it's not your message board. If it was, it would be a porno sight or at least one about poor musicians, which I have heard first hand that you are no big deal.

My comments ring so true to you, that is why you respond and keep coming back for more. Pretty good entertainment, much better than your singing, I'm sure.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:17 PM

It is I who am entertained by your ignorance martin...

mildly at any rate...

Keep digging...

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:28 PM

I'm not really entertained by ignorance such as yours and Big Micks.

It's not me who's digging. It's you responding to something here that makes you so uncomfortable.

It's just not that much of a safe haven here for mentally disturbed society misfits such as yourself to hide in.

Your world just continues to shrink.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:35 PM

Calm Down You Folks:

Rabbi Sol was posting back in January, getting more and more upset when he didn't pick up the support he expected. I submit that something else was going on with him, so EagleWing's one on one posts two months after the event are of limited utility since obviously the Rabbi has "left the building".

Please speak for yourself in the NOW at someone who's likely to respond.

Thanks

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:51 PM

Nothing you do makes me uncomfortable MG...   Cause I and everyone else can tell how sad and pathetic you really are... Pitiable really...

Or you would be if I could be bothered...

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST,Sandra Silva
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:55 PM

Imagine if such went with you...   
   
Anyone of us could be in Terri Schiavo's place or of her parents... Think about...   

The correct would be the Terri's husband to request the divorce and consequently to give to the Terri's parents the right to drive their daughter's destiny.   
   
Is not right that the husband or the wife decide in cases like this, when their spouse should die or where should be buried, if the parents or any other member of the family with sanguine connection want to assume the responsibilities of defenseless relatives...      

Is evident, the Terri's husband only wants to be free to join to another woman legally... The Judge could give to him the right of the automatic divorce, but to ignore the despair of the Terri's parents it's inhuman! If He was a good man he could abdicate of this difficult decision...   

The laws are wrong and they need to be corrected. I agree, the euthanasia could be admitted in some cases, but it should be absolutely painless and it should only be applied in the own patient's case to sign the authorization or not being possible, the parents, siblings and or children to sign. Spouses should only to authorize the deliberation in the lack of another closest member of the family of blood.      

I think that should be allowed to the parents of Terri to take she to their house and to rent the machine for maintenance of her life.   
   
It's inhuman to leave a defenseless patient without feeding to die of starvation...      

Today the drama is of the Terri's parents. Tomorrow can be our !

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:02 PM

Sandra, did you bother to read the thread before you posted? If Michael Schiavo were that shallow, why didn't he just take the money a few weeks ago and run? If he really only wanted to be shed of her, why not just give up his guardianship to the parents, divorce and then marry this woman? It seems to me that the only reason he would continue to subject himself to the rantings and ravings of the Zellers, and to the likes of this slime called Martin Gibson, is because he believes he is carrying out his wife's wishes.

You are transferring what you think should be done, and then saying it is the only decent thing to do. He believes that it would be far from decent to leave his wife in this state.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:21 PM

CT Scan of Terri Schiavo's Brain, 1996

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:23 PM

Clinton, I don't care if you think if I am sad and pathetic. go ahead.

But remember, I think of you as a pompous, egomaniacal asshole caked with feces. You rate as one of the most arrogant here.

I and many others know how true this is.

Many others.

big Mick, I don't know what you are more: fat or naieve. It's a close race.

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:31 PM

Pot... meet kettle... kettle... meet pot...

Yawn...

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:32 PM

Sandra like many others has probably landed on Mudcat because we turn up in Google, and for no other reason. And she's nuts if she can't see that Terry's spirit has been trapped by her non-responsive body for 15 years. She's close to freedom, as her husband understands her wishes. The horror her parents would visit upon her for years and years is no life. The irony of all of this is that Michael Schiavo is also going to finally release her parents from 15 years of the prison they have erected for themselves as well as their daughter.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:46 PM

I think this information should be disseminated, so, to repeat:

Here is a 'Normal Brain'

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:53 PM

Clinton

I figured you smoke your pot from a kettle.

Good stuff, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:55 PM

I'm having trouble seeing anything informative in those two brain scan pictures. Probably because they view the brain from two differen angles, and also because I'm not trained to read brain scans.