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Subject: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 10:03 AM

And the Beltway Dems go apoplectic! The one thing they fear more than ANYTHING is that Dean will start shoveling the money into grassroots races at the state level, instead of bankrolling rubber chicken soirees in Washington and NY.

I really hope Dean doesn't sell out to the Beltway Dems. I know it is highly unlikely for someone at the level of the Chair of the party to pledge allegiance to the party's grassroots instead of the Beltway Big Boys. But hell--the Dean strategy certainly worked for the Republicans! Not that the Beltway Dems will ever figure that one out...

Boy, are the Kerrys, Clintons, Edwards, Pelosis, Reids, Daschles, Gephardts, et al PISSED that Dean won the position so handily and with full support of the state party leadership!

Now that Minnesota Senator Mark Dayton has stepped out (thank god!) of the race, it will be interesting to see who wins the Dem backing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:19 AM

Dean is a good administrator and organizer. He did well as governor, and I have heard how well he speaks when he didn't have to sell a speech on TV to the whole country.....he may just surprise everyone.

Obviously, someone trusts him to deal with the situation...let's just watch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:21 AM

He's a good choice; the Dems are not going to get far continuing as they have been, obviously.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:31 AM

What I find most ironic about all this, is that all the mainstream media outlets are running articles/video pieces (with the obligatory "scream" crap) about how Terry McAuliffe, Sens Reid and Pelosi, et al have sternly lectured Howard Dean this week about them being the bosses, and NOT the grassroots Democrats that Howard Dean intends to work for, who elected him, and who will be the future of the party!

So, we watch and see who Dean will work for, eh?

Dean is very articulate and charming despite the mainstream media's obsession with demonizing his style. But he isn't the "Liberal" he is made out to be. He simply has a very different vision for the future of the Democratic party and the country, than the current Washington establishment--and I include both the Republican and Democratic national leadership and especially the mainstream media.

None of the current ruling elites see the future vision the way Dean does, or Andy Stern does (just to offer another example of a Democratic grassroots leader whose style resembles Dean's). They are the people who are trying to make the Wellstone vision the Democratic party and nation's vision. That is a good thing, because in many ways Wellstone was much too old school to be broadly successful beyond a blue state like Minnesota, which isn't even all that blue anymore. Wellstone never was very good at articulating a cohesive vision either. While it is clear he would have ended up beating Norm Coleman fairly easily in 2002 had he not died (at the time of his death, he had pulled possibly as far as 10 points ahead of Coleman, with a whole month left to go), the deterioration of Democratic rule in Minnesota was already painfully obvious, and not improving despite Wellstone's crusading.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: DougR
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:52 AM

I think he is a good choice for the Democrats.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:56 AM

Because Fox News tells you what to think, Doug. Imagine how none of us is surprised at your Fox News/Washington Times-generated opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:44 PM

I believe this to be very positive, but I suspect for different reasons than Doug. I believe the leadership of the party needs its hinges rattled. While I don't wish for the utter destruction that our northern Guest does, I believe there is validity in the thought that many have lost sight of what it takes to win. I believe Dr. Dean acquitted himself well, certainly showed how to get back in touch with a grassroots eonstituency, and demonstrated remarkable alternate fundraising. These are great attributes. Sometimes power structures don't realize that they have become controllers only of losing organizations. The Democratic message, if we can strip away the layers of some self interests, is vibrant. I think we saw that with the Presidential race. We had a candidate who had a hard time connecting, a war time President, yet the outcome was closer than for any incumbent President.

Go get 'em, Howard.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 03:17 PM

I assume this takes him out of the running for being in the race to be President next time?


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 03:28 PM

I cheer the day that McAwful is gone. Something extraordinarily slimey about that man and some of his pals. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 03:36 PM

I can't argue with that, Mary. He always bugged me too. Let's see how Howard does. I would hope he encourages the party to put a little distance between the New Democrat/Neo Republican bunch. This party needs to get back to the things that made it strong, and do so in a way that is relevant to the times. Otherwise we will be dealing with "make you feel good, while screwing you" Republicans for a long time.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 03:51 PM

As someone pointed out many times (Bobert?), there is little discernable difference between the parties at present. They both seem to represent business and big money. Since the majority of voters in the US seem to be neither of the above, it might be about time for one of the parties to appeal to the population, IMO.

http://multinationalmonitor.org/mm2003/03may/may03interviewswolff.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 04:25 PM

Yes, Dean has taken himself out of the pool for 2008, though not beyond that.

If Dean remains loyal to the grassroots, and doesn't sell out to the Beltway Big Boys, that in itself will change the current dynamic dramatically, though it will take a couple of election cycles to see any dramatic change. Get crackin' Dems!


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 05:41 PM

Dean is solid. Knowledgeable. Bright. He has a powerful handshake. Not a wimp. Articulate. Knows the problem of the Dems very well. He's a scrapper.

You know that Dean Scream? It's going to come back to haunt a lot of Neo-cons. I think that Dean may be our Goldwater.

It's a start.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 08:07 PM

I agree, I think this could be a start. Let us hope it gets beyond the starting gate, and doesn't collapse into same old same old politics as usual.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 08:22 PM

Hooray!!!!

No, I really do mean it and just for the record, the Repubs are scared to death of Dean... I mean, lets face it. It took the Republican Party, the Democartic Party and the media to take him down in Iowa. Now Dean has some credibility and guess what, Dougie et al, we gotta a new sheriff in town!!!

No more BushLite from the Dems... If they haven't learned their lesson yet, they never will. Dean will frame the political conversation within the Democratic Party and out-frame and out-flank the Repubs. He did it throughout the primaries and had it not been for the Big Three Conspiracy (Dem/Repub/media) he would certainly be president now...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 08:33 PM

Yo Bobert! Maybe we'll go Dem next time, if my neighbor makes it into the race in '08!

Dean and Feingold together might just be the sort of shake 'em up, slap 'em up side the head wake up call this country needs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 08:56 PM

Damn, GUEST, if'n you'n and ole Bobert are going to do that, would you give me a little warning? I need to load up on extra ticker meds. And keep an extry bottle of nitro. ***Grin***

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 09:21 PM

Hey, Fiengold is one fierce fighter and ain't afraid of nobody. I fi had one sufggestion to him is to stay the heck away from airplanes 'er Boss Hog's boys will cut some hydrolic lines on it if they sense he might make a ticket.

Yeah, Fiengold and Dean can shake the heck outta this *oh-we've-become-a-facist-state-like-who-cares-'cause-there's-a-20%-sale-at-the-mall* mindset that all our so-called freedom loving neighbors have fallin' into...

This is good news for democracy and good news for morality...

Tear 'um up, Howard... Make 'um pay for conspirin' and perheaps most importantly, don't loose the scream... Hey, some folks just sleep harder than others...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 10:41 PM

as a staunch conservative........

I think the Dems made exactly the right choice of people to lead them into the next election.


My prediction.......


Republicans gain 10 - 15 more seats on each side.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST,LadyJean
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:20 PM

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The man who could save the Democratic party is now in charge. Yes!!!!! Ordinary people matter!!! Yes!!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:53 PM

Susu' hubby,

It is said that "an ignorant man is Hell bent on proving his limitations"...

You, my frined, I would very much into entering as "Exhibit A".

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Kaleea
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 12:14 AM

Howard Dean?   YYYEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 12:54 AM

I love that kind of arrogance. It is an advantage when one's adversary is cocky.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 10:27 AM

I wouldn't get too carried away with the "save the Democratic party" bit. There is a damn lot of saving to do, and no indication whatsoever that the Beltway Big Boys are ready to be saved.

Nope, I won't be registering as a Democrat any time soon. I'll keep my indie status, thanks. But I will be watching, and hopeful, that the Dems can get their heads out of their asses, and do something to stop the Red State Menace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 11:24 AM

Damn Kaleea

You stole my thunder. Been away from the computer for a few days busy with REAL LIFE.

I'm usually the first to go:

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!

In a Howard Dean thread. But thanks anyway for completely sharing my view.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Jim Tailor
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 11:41 AM

Interesting choice. I like it when "conspiracy" thinking is proven wrong on either side. This does it for me. I'm not sure what he brings pragmatically, but he sets the ground for...

1. leadership in the hands of one who best satisfies the left in the party. (he's the ultimate Republican's "No man")
2. The ability, thereby, to nominate a true moderate with some sense that the extreme is not completely out of the loop, nor completely in charge.

Now if only the Democrats can overcome "dynastic" thinking and nominate Evan Bayh instead of H. Clinton in 2008.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 03:27 PM

Terry McAuliffe surprised me with a phone call a couple of years ago. I had written the Democratic Party that I would not contribute any further funds to them until they woke up and realized in what ways they were different from the current Republican Party, that we, the nation, didn't need a Repub Lite presence, that we needed the party to go back to its principles.

TM called me in person, trying to get me to understand that if people dropped out of the process on that basis that the Republicans would win. I reiterated my stance and we ended on a cordial note.

I welcome Howard Dean. It's a start.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 03:54 PM

I don't belong to an organized political party.



I'm a Democrat. (Thank you Will Rogers)



I've been signally unimpressed with Nancy Pelosi who looks like a wizening applehead mouthing platitudes with no charisma whatever.

Ted Kennedy is getting fat in the tooth and soft everywhere.

Jesse Jackson is an aging windbag who has pulled much mileage out of riding the coattails of better men and dead men.

Al Sharpton is one of those political jokes who occasionally get elected. His saving grace during the campaign was a touch of humour and old fashioned common denominator crowd appeal. there's something to learn there but little to admire.

I'm disappointed that we lost the election, but not surprised given the rotten standards we accept in our leaders (and ourselves).

Lest you think I'm being overly harsh on my own party, I think Tom DeLay (R Texas) is more putrescent than the bunch, but he makes up for it for his party by being effective. Like a rotten mackeral in the moonlight, he stinks and shines. (Thank you John Randolph of Virginia)

We need to dump some of the old baggage within the party that passes for 'leadership'

If Howard Dean can inject some energy and a better grasp of the Democratic message, I'm all for him. I've heard him on the radio and found him intelligent and engaging. The media gave him a tougher time than he deserved and he endured.

"EEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
The scream will not be that big an impediment. I think I'll get around to doing some screaming my own self. The impediments are the above named 'sterile cuckoo' place holders at the head of the table.

I was not impressed with MSNBC which reported live on Howard Dean's accession to the party presidency. He was speaking and they showed him but they did not open the audio, rather, they had a talking head inset into the image blathering commonalities while a bit of a listen to Dean might have proved much more interesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 04:09 PM

To hell with MSNBC, CNN, et al. Go with C-SPAN and get the message unfiltered! They showed Dean's speech in it's entirety.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 05:26 PM

For a slightly different take on Howard Dean go to the web page for All Songs Considered.
Last I knew there was a downloadable song by a young man named Aaron Nathans called "I Remember Howard Dean". It's quite a good song and could help to put a bit of recent events into some perspective.

Stephen Lee


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Genie
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 11:53 PM

Quote: GUEST: "To hell with MSNBC, CNN, et al. Go with C-SPAN and get the message unfiltered!
They showed Dean's speech in it's entirety. "

Yeah, that!

I am so disgusted with all the commercial, corporate-owned broadcast and cable TV "news" networks (including, increasingly, PBS) that I can't stand to watch them. I listen to AirAmerica (and Ed Schultz), watch C-Span, and read to get my news and analysis.   TV "news" has thoroughly proven itself to be impotent, corrupt, and totally untrustworthy.

The "infamous Dean scream" is but Exhibit A in the case.

Genie


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: DougR
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 12:57 AM

I think Dean is a good choice because he will be strongly embraced by the liberals in the Democratic Party. He is a good communicator, and will take the party to the left, which is what I think many of you will approve of. In the next election there will be a clear choice for the American electorate. If we win, the liberals will at long last have to admit that they are in the minority in our country, and though they will still have a right to bitch, it will be a much clearer-cut victory. If we lose, so be it. The electorate will have spoken.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Peace
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 01:01 AM

Very well said, DougR.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 09:03 PM

"EEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I believe that Dean has turned this around into an effective battle cry. It will come back to haunt the Republicans.

Judging from the program This Week on TV, the attack dogs, George Will and Cokie Roberts have already started on Dean.

Dean can handle any of it and will overcome it.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 09:42 PM

"EEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Puhhlease!

You can't get water from a stone and you can't turn ridicule into a battle cry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:05 PM

"Bring 'em on!!!!" It was a battle cry that I ridicule.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:06 PM

Yes, but I believe it was a battle cry that won.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:29 PM

Heck, if them media was really doing it's job it would find hundreds and hundreds of politicans who have given the old "rebel yell" but they don't care to do that. Why? because they, like their Bushite owners, are scared to death of Howard Dean so they will continue to try to ram their lies down the throats of the American people...

You folks on the other side had better hope that you don't mess up one single step 'cause with the figgin' character assasination that you knowingly have done on Howard Dean, when he gets the Dems back to being Dems and they start winning lots of races, you folks will be the ones trying to find other places to live.

Get backs are Hell but until they happen keep up with yer childish, follower-like-sheep, comments about Howard Dean.

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:41 PM

"EEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh!!!!!!!!!!!!


"EEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:49 PM

More, Martin, more...


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 10:51 PM

Less, Bobert, Less


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 05 - 11:04 PM

reprising some Dean pics I made

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/deanclark.jpg


http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/deanchick.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: GUEST,Amos
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:25 PM

Thias is excerpted fromt he NYT Editorial Page of today's date:

The Republicans know the America they want, and they are not afraid to use any means to get there," Howard Dean said in accepting the chairmanship of the Democratic National Committee. "But there is something that this administration and the Republican Party are very afraid of. It is that we may actually begin fighting for what we believe."


Those words tell us what the selection of Mr. Dean means. It doesn't represent a turn to the left: Mr. Dean is squarely in the center of his party on issues like health care and national defense. Instead, Mr. Dean's political rejuvenation reflects the new ascendancy within the party of fighting moderates, the Democrats who believe that they must defend their principles aggressively against the right-wing radicals who have taken over Congress and the White House.

It was always absurd to call Mr. Dean a left-winger. Just ask the real left-wingers. During his presidential campaign, an article in the muckraking newsletter CounterPunch denounced him as a "Clintonesque Republicrat," someone who, as governor, tried "to balance the budget, even though Vermont is a state in which a balanced budget is not required."

Even on Iraq, many moderates, including moderate Republicans, quietly shared Mr. Dean's misgivings - which have been fully vindicated - about the march to war.

But Mr. Dean, of course, wasn't quiet. He frankly questioned the Bush administration's motives and honesty at a time when most Democrats believed that the prudent thing was to play along with the war party.

We'll never know whether Democrats would have done better over the past four years if they had taken a stronger stand against the right. But it's clear that the time for that sort of caution is past.

For one thing, there's no more room for illusions. In 2001 it was possible for some Democrats to convince themselves that President Bush's tax cuts were consistent with an agenda that was only moderately conservative. In 2002 it was possible for some Democrats to convince themselves that the push for war with Iraq was really about eliminating weapons of mass destruction.

But in 2005 it takes an act of willful blindness not to see that the Bush plan for Social Security is intended, in essence, to dismantle the most important achievement of the New Deal. The Republicans themselves say so: the push for privatization is following the playbook laid out in a 1983 Cato Journal article titled "A 'Leninist' Strategy," and in a White House memo declaring that "for the first time in six decades, the Social Security battle is one we can win - and in doing so, we can help transform the political and philosophical landscape of the country."

By refusing to be bullied into false bipartisanship on Social Security, Democrats have already scored a significant tactical victory. Just two months ago, TV pundits were ridiculing Harry Reid, the Senate minority leader, for denying that Social Security faces a crisis, and for rejecting outright the idea of diverting payroll taxes into private accounts. But now the Bush administration itself has dropped the crisis language, and admitted that private accounts would do nothing to improve the system's finances.

By standing firm against Mr. Bush's attempt to stampede the country into dismantling its most important social insurance program, Democrats like Mr. Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dick Durbin and Barbara Boxer have, at a minimum, broken the administration's momentum, and quite possibly doomed its plan. The more time the news media spend examining the details of privatization, the worse it looks. And those Democrats have also given their party a demonstration of what it means to be an effective opposition.

In fact, by taking on Social Security, Mr. Bush gave the Democrats a chance to remember what they stand for, and why. Here's my favorite version, from another fighting moderate, Eliot Spitzer: "As President Bush embraces the ownership society and tries to claim that he is the one that is making it possible for the middle class to succeed and save and invest - well, I say to myself, no, that's not right; it is the Democratic Party historically that created the middle class."

For a while, Mr. Dean will be the public face of the Democrats, and the Republicans will try to portray him as the leftist he isn't. But Deanism isn't about turning to the left: it's about making a stand.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:59 PM

And, as we welcome Mr. Dean to the party's leadership, let's remember that the majority of the country is more liberal or center than left. The radical left cannot elect a president, but the center-left (aka "the liberals") can. Liberal is an honorable term, and we should be no more willing to let the far left co-opt it than we are to allow the right to redefine it by assigning everything they hate to it.   Webster defines liberal as "tolerant of views differing from one's own, broad-minded; favoring reform or progress...favoring political reforms tending toward democracy and personal freedom." It sometimes seems to me that some "progressives" are about as broad-minded as many neo-cons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean: New Face of Dem Party!
From: Barry Finn
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 05:40 PM

I have no gripe with Dean I think he's about the best the dem's have to offer the American people which is a sad statement, indeed. Granted the Rep's do a better job of raising money, they appeal to the world's wealthy & in turn the wealthy pay to guaranty their rich existence continues. The rigging of voting machines, the using of the mainstream media, the personal & political attacks on any & all opposing voices, the ruining of careers is all part of this guaranty. Now the dem's on the other hand know all this but are too scared to get into the middle of the ring & start punching back. Only a small percentage of the media have lately found enough backbone to start confronting the words of those who hold the court & the clout. I believe that the majority of the American people want & need to get some representation for their taxation. They want to know the facts in order to make an informed decision, they want the truth which the democratic party is too reluctant to speak out for. On one side there are many republicans that have the audacity to boldly promote programs that burden the middle & lower classes by increasing their taxes to the benefit of the wealthy. To pass legislation so that Wall Street will be able to increase their profit margins, so that the gun & drug manufacturers, the insurance companies, the profiteers of war, the oil giants, the world bankers, the plunders of natural resources can continue increasing their bankroll. On the opposing side we have here the self proclaiming bold faced Democrats who'll speak to these & other issues, NOT. Yes, they should all be screaming the truth & not leave the tough jobs to the few willing to stick their necks out. It's likely that the democrats will not jeopardize their careers no matter what the cost, while many republicans would risk all for a dollar. So it boils down to the brash for the sake of money, power or both, can get away with intimidating & bullying their way passed justice & steam roll right over We The People. It's enough to make anyone want to scream & to call things as they see it. Shame to those spineless do nothings that dare to raise their voice against their own party's chairman, who happens to be only one of the few that are willing to stand their ground, roll up their sleeves, get defensive (instead of taking a weak offence) & back up their mouths with their hands. Dean may not be the best but we could sure use more like him.

Barry


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