BS: They sure breed them young

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Wesley S
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 03:17 PM

Don't make things up. Charlton Heaston says enough dumb things that you don't have to. Stick to the facts please.

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: ard mhacha
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 02:05 PM

Charlton Headcase President of the National Rifle Association stated " now gold darned it if that had been a rifle the kid couldn`t have lifted it much less fired it, be safe get a rifle"

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 05:03 AM

Well said LTS. Also worryingly, the 4yr old pulled the trigger because he was 'angry' with the two year old. It wasn't a 'fell on it' type of accident, his reaction to anger was to shoot.
Yep, they breed them young.

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 04:56 AM

Leeneia - you said: A four-year-old shot a two-year-old? Not likely. How many of you have ever fired a gun and felt how much strength it takes to pull the trigger? More investigation is definitely called for in this case.

I'm sorry if it upsets you, but do you have any idea how light some of these triggers are? There are guns that only require a few pounds of pressure, specially made for 'ladies', who find pulling on a 5lb trigger too much.

And do you have any idea how strong the average child really is? My daughter, at 15months could lift and carry a concrete doorstop that weighs 6lbs. I'm sure you've had your finger held by a newborn baby and marvelled at the strength of its grip.

I have fired weapons, always in controlled conditions and never with live ammunition. I have fired both rifles and handguns. I've had to fire some of them right handed (I'm naturally left handed) and never had difficulty.

I'm sorry, but as far as I am concerned, there is no place for a gun of any description in a home, and especially a home that has a child in it. The post that Kat directs us to says more than I ever could about respect.

Actually I'm not sorry. I can think of no situation I might find myself or my family in that would EVER warrant carrying a weapon, loaded or otherwise.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 04:42 AM

Some say the devil is dead
The devil is dead
The devil is dead
Some say the devil is dead and buried in Killarney
More say he rose again
More say he rose again
More say he rose again and joined the British army.

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 04:38 AM

Sinn Fein/IRA have also been murdering children for years, ie bombs in waste bins etc.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 04:33 AM

The strangest part of that report is that Saturday was 'the one day' that the 'mother' didnt secure the gun????

"The kids are at home honey,"
"OK leave the gun lying around sweetie."

She said it was in her purse to protect the family from burglars. Who protects her neighbours from her?

Crazy laws.

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Alba
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 04:25 AM

Hi leeneia,

This is the Media report on the incident: Clicky thingy

Unfortunately some Weapons demand very little effort to discharge.
Makes me think about the phrase "even a Child could do it"
Sad Story...sad World at times.
Blessings
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 11:51 PM

A four-year-old shot a two-year-old? Not likely. How many of you have ever fired a gun and felt how much strength it takes to pull the trigger? More investigation is definitely called for in this case.

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 11:43 PM

ard mhaca:

how do you say "Schadenfreude" in gaelic?

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 06:31 PM

We've had a couple of other threads on this over the years. What I said then still holds, as far as I am concerned: click here.

Whoops, meant for that to go HERE!
kat

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 06:20 PM

Sinn Fein, the UDC, the PLO, the PIRA, Aryan Nations, the Red Brigades, Hamas, the Viet Cong, the Mossad, the Khmer Rouge, al-Quadia, and a whole shitload of others.

Teach hate and you'll reap the wind.

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 06:03 PM

Surely Sinn Fein/IRA have always been murdering criminals?

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: LilyFestre
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 06:03 PM

This is a big topic at school. I agree that the amount of violence children see has an impact on how they act. In addition, how many video games have any of you folks seen lately? While the games are rated for age appropriateness, the parents have to make sure they know what their children are playing (or watching). With so many shoot 'em up types of games, is it really any wonder that children shoot one another or teachers? In the video games, the players are encouraged to shoot other PEOPLE. When the player is shot "dead" he/she gets "another life." So..what kind of ideas are the children getting?

A whole other ball of wax is the issue of how the hell does a kid that young get a gun in the first place? Guns put up safely? Ammunition locked away in another location?

We have guns in our home to the tune of TWELVE of them...ranging from hand guns to rifles/shot guns and muzzleloaders. Some of them were built by my husband, others are for target shooting and hunting. We have had various children in and out of our home for years. The guns are put up, the room they are in is locked and the ammunition is hidden away and locked up. It's all secure.

So what is going on in the country that is teaching the world democracy is the same thing that is going on in every other country that has brought television and video games into the forefront of a child's world of entertainment. Hell...those shoot 'em up games ARE fun (Area 51 being one of my favorite)...but if you can't yet distinguish the difference between a game and reality...and no one supervises what you are doing....what do you THINK is going to happen?

Let an unsupervised child alone to watch people leaping out of trees and off of rooftops only to fly like a bird, how long do you think it would be before they give it a try?

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Leadfingers
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 02:57 PM

Sinn Fein / IRA protecting mudering criminals is a better example of the way a country should be run ??

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 02:49 PM

It's worse... a 4 year old shot a 2yr old in the head with his mother's gun... she'd bought it to protect her family from burglars..... who's going to protect her from her family?

The 2 yr old survived, but only just.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: jacqui.c
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 02:27 PM

Facts are facts - some small children here have access to real guns and, somehow, have been brought up in a culture that condones their use.

The idea of censoring what is watched by children seems to be anathema to a certain section of the parents. So long as the kid is quiet they don't seem to care what they watch. Add to that the type of computer games on sale, that children may at some point have access to, and a lack of any real discipline in some homes and you can see where that is going.

The only difference, it seems to me, between the States and other countries is that guns are more freely available here. One has only to look at the Jamie Bulger case in Britain to know that disturbed children exist in other countries. They just use different methods of hurting others. What troubles me is that this trend seems to be on the increase and I wonder what kind of adults we are producing.

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Mooh
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 02:19 PM

I don't make the connection between "the values of democracy" and kids with guns. Nor do I agree that the USA is teaching the world the values of democracy. I think countries fully understand those values without USA example and choose to accept them or not. The tragedies mentioned are the cost of doing business in a gun society, not necessarily a democracy. Weird, yes.

Too bad kids can get their hands on guns so readily. I worry that someday I'll know the victims, and when it involves kids there are victims on both sides of the trigger.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 02:13 PM

I think the idea behind that Clinton is that they'll try the ban out on kids to see if it controls violence and if it doesn't work, at least they'll still be able to shoot 'em if needs be.

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 02:02 PM

The dumbest thing to me is all the talk about banning TOY guns...


But they're gonna keep the f#cking REAL ones!?!?!?!?!?!

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 01:59 PM

Susan - Take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard. He's just trying to forget about Charles and Camilla. It's hell when you don't know what to buy someone for a wedding present.

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 01:44 PM

... what is going on in the country that is teaching the world the values of democracy?

Do you have any idea how huge this country is? How interwoven all the problems are? But then you weren't really ASKING, were you-- more like, a little shit-flinging feels good to you today?

So everything's just peachy-keen in YOUR country? How nice for you that your country no longer bear the fresh stink of colonialism! Guess it makes it easier for you to smell others' shite and stir it up! What, YOU had nothing personally to do with colonialism? Nor did your Mudcat brothers and sisters have much to do with the stories you've dragged up!

Will a thread like this one aid anyone's enjoyment of one another at the next international Mudcat gathering? How about it, ard macha, do you enjoy singing alongside people you've insulted?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: They sure breed them young
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 01:13 PM

Gun control

Subject: BS: They sure breed them young
From: ard mhacha
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 12:58 PM

It gets weirder and weirder, a four year old boy in North Carolina shot dead his six year old friend and a 14 year old boy in Pennsylvania shoots a teacher and wounds two pupils, what is going on in the country that is teaching the world the values of democracy?.