BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 05:42 PM

Blow me.

I know.

You were in a whorehouse in the Gaza Strip banging an Arab whore who was mutiliated in the name of Allah.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 05:48 PM

"Zealots preach hatred and no matter how shrouded it is in platitudes it is still the preaching of the superiority of a race, gender, a religion or an idea. ... In my book, zealots and cockroaches are interchangeable." Elizabeth Schuett

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 06:10 PM

Be not concerned on my behalf, O Father of All Cynics.

My physical disability is bloody inconvenient, but contrary to what Marty seems to think, except for my legs, all of my bodily functions are perfectly normal and my general health is excellent. The disability is obviously more important to Marty than it is to me.

The oozings of our resident pustule don't bother me at all. I just consider the pitiful nature of the source.

Don Firth

[And now, back to our regular broadcast.]

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 06:11 PM

Great quote that cockroach one.

Mahane Shmonim (80) when a bus was blown up. So fuck off. Or better yet tokhal zain batakhat.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 07:54 PM

You seem too stupid to get the point again Gobson.

Gob - a slang term for mouth, usually indicating excessive size or excessive use for uncontrolled oral utterance; hence well fitted to describe you in denigratory (but justified) terms.

Maybe all the lawyers you know double or triple bill their time, but I am not of your circle.

For someone who complains incessantly about antisemitism you do seem to go out of your way to provide fodder for antisemites.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 08:53 PM

I am curious---like George. Why do so many of you---and I am said to say I have been guilty too, but no more, to a GIBBON like Martin.

OK ===he admits to being in chips (computer---or horse--who knows) or something. Who cares.   

His input into any kind of conversation is of no value ---truthfully---best thing. Ignore such inane and coarse idiots and let the discussion continue---and, know what, he will disappear like a bad wind---or as Martin GIBBON would say---a fart in the wind. Which, is probably, the best way to describe him.   

Sorry for the coarse analogy---last time that GIBBON shall drag me into a comment at his level---or any comment---below the level of the curbstone.


Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 09:01 PM

Well---time has passed---looks like you finally left for the sewer you abide in GIBBON.


Farewell----find a nice sewer hole on the internet for your conversations and lack of interest in other opinions.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 09:13 PM

Hi Bill H.

Just took a dump and thought of you on Mudcat.

I'm not going anywhere.

I like some opinions on Mudcat, but not the pompous ass kinds like yours.

Bridge, been to any lawyer orgies lately? And the anti-semites just love the fuel and react, don't they?

If I fan the flames enough, perhaps they will just burn out. Gob is not slang in America I can assure you. That's why it is irrelevant.

Gee where's all of that famous liberal tolerance?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:10 PM

It's English slang...as in "Shut yer bleedin' gob, you fecking twit!" :-) I love English slang, and I have gotten to know a great deal of it from 2 sources...Britcoms and the Mudcat Cafe. With a reasonable masterly of British slang one can easily give the impression that one is from the UK.

As in: "Oh, sod off, you stupid git!"

Parrots sound even funnier than usual when they curse with a British accent.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:16 PM

SO---Little Hawk---any thoughts about the GIBBON?    Slang or otherwise?

How about something on the line of---excommunicating a non communicator to a community of common pieces of compost on a compost website discussion group since he knows of compost being a large part of a pile of rotting compost crap. I give him more credit here than he deserves----probably some more lime to neutralize the smell is really what he deserves.


Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:16 PM

English slang is crap.

I'm not impressed by it and never insulted by it.

It's like watching Monty Python. English guys talking like they got a mouth full of marbles. Can't take it seriously.

Much more effective is:

"Oh fuck off, you stupid cocksucker."

If you are going to use slang, it might as well have impact.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:17 PM

And now he has the attention he so richly wanted ---just like the kids who shoot up schools---for attention

Bill H

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:20 PM

"Pustule." Aptly put. Obviously Mr. F. is quite capable of taking care of himself.

In my perambulations in the old days, I occasionally encountered tribes who were given to the practice of cannibalism. Martin, I'm sure, would be relatively safe in their midst. He would be much too difficult to clean, and that would be left after the offal was removed would be a stringy bit of sinew and a gelatinous blob of suet. And should the cannibal chef crack open Martin's skull, all he would find therein would be inadequate to adorn a Ritz cracker.

Of what use, then, is this creature?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:30 PM

Deal with it Dog Genes.

I love to tell you are are full of shit because you are.

You are what's wrong with Mudcat and so is Bill H. Pompous assholes who must have it their way or no way.

Don't like it, leave, buddy.

If you opened your chest, one would find dog insides, not a human.

Except maybe a bleeding heart of a whining liberal.

I'm having a blast here and could care less about any attention. You just don't get it. There is no Martin Gibson except on Mudcat.

And Bill H. comparing this place and what goes on here to someone who shoots up a school shows that your intelligence is definately that of a moron and a complete idiot. You have no perception of reality, obviously. No swearing is necessaary to tell you that.

Sorry, bud, you are about as intellectual as a cold pile of Dog Gene's dog shit.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:37 PM

Wrong, dung heap! Whoever you are in the 3D world is the fictional character. Martin Gibson, the local Mudcat slime-ball, is your real personality. You're too much of a coward to let it out where people might react by bouncing one off your snot-locker.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:40 PM

I am out of control on this. I hate this guy and want to kill him.

I am quitting Mudcat. I can't take it any more.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:42 PM

Funny. But that wasn't me. I'm still here, and I'll be popping in from time to time to poke Martin and keep him squealing.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:47 PM

[bleep] (for antisocial behavior)I'm not squealing, but your threats of phyisical harm will be reported.

Who I am here has nothing to do with real life by design.

Who's over the line now, douche bag? Threaten to hurt people with bodily harm in real life Dog-Genes? Can't tell the difference any more.

Tell your greek butt buddies to lay off until your hemmorroids heal.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:51 PM

No physical threats, Martin. I can keep you bouncing from thread to thread just by poking you verbally.

I'll leave you in peace for awhile. I'm bored with you for now. But as Arnie says, "I'll be back!"

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:46 AM

"I'm having a blast here and could care less about any attention. You just don't get it. There is no Martin Gibson except on Mudcat."

What it means is that he is a sad coward and wouldn't dare say half of it to your face. Either that or he gets ignored everywhere else this is the only place he can get his rocks off. You do more disservice to Jews and Israel than a pack of Neo-Nazis and cross-burning Klansmen could ever do. He's the kind that makes the Jewish world so fragmented. If he is indeed Jewish. If so, shame on the mohel for not helping himself to some more of the arak.

British English rules. It's got style when it seems American is limited to 'fuck' and 'cocksucker'.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 04:17 AM

The title of the thread is:

A discussion - What is antisemitism?

How about mature posters check their post before they hit send and ask themselves if their post has anything to do with the title? if it doesn't, don't press 'send'.

Thanks

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 05:02 AM

Anti-Semitism is really simple to explain. Hatred, discrimination or abuse of Jews BECAUSE they are Jews. The thread seems to have move a bit beyond just this.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 07:15 AM

It must be time to close/delete this garbage now, and just remind me you are all adults aren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 07:39 AM

Or you could just not read it how's that?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 02:35 PM

"Hatred, discrimination or abuse of Jews BECAUSE they are Jews."

Yes, that is exactly what "antisemitism" has come to mean in the present social context, even though it's a rather odd term, given that a lot of Semites are not Jews and some Jews are not Semites. Anyway, that's what it has come to mean in common usage.

It should be obvious to any rational person that hating people merely because of who they are is a pointless, destructive, and foolish thing to do. I guess that indicates that many people are just not all that rational. :-) Children would not even think to hate other people on such a basis, did not parents and society around them plant the notion steadily into their minds while they were young and impressionable. By the time they "grow up" the learned pattern of prejudice has usually been set as if in stone.

I think that similar patterns of anti-Muslim prejudice are now being foisted on many children as well (as has happened before, historically). (This, ironically, could also be called "antisemitism", because many Muslims ARE semites.)

Just depends on which chidren one is talking about, doesn't it? The basic problem is the same on both sides of the fence when it comes to this dispute.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:08 PM

Guest, Allen
[bleep] (for antisocial behavior)
The fact is that I am Jewish, am a practicing Jew, am proud of my Jewish religion and heritage and could give a flying fuck what you or anyone here thinks.

Yes, I do a lot here because I can and so do many others it seems.

Get off your pompous ass high horse and don't read my posts, observations, and comments if you don't like them.

But you will anyway. Everyone else does.

Thanks Mudcat for the occasional entertainment you provide.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:18 PM

Little Hawk that's what it has always ment. It was coined by Marr to mean anything against Jews. Applying it to any other group is the wrong usage. Find a different one. Marr was a believer in the psuedo-scientific Darwinistic theories of race that were popular in the 19th century (and ever since). Ethnic Jews, were classified as the lowest, most insidious kind of Semites. Arabs didn't enter the picture.
Children can be very prejudicial against people who are different, unless they are exposed to it over time.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:21 PM

I'm Jewish and Israeli you prick and have never been pro-terrorirsts, you decided that I was. Best thing you can do for us is SHUT UP or talk like a human being.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:21 PM

Arabs enter the picture of terrorists.

The Arab world is still in the middle ages.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Ata Noshekh Kariot
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:23 PM

Oh and you are enlightened.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:35 PM

[bleep] (for antisocial behavior)Please bathe, Ata.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 04:16 PM

You guys are on your own little egos and none of you so witty as to make worth departing from thread title.

you should remember not to wrestle with pig. you get muddy and pig has good time. please think it over.

you know who you are.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 04:30 PM

Well, no, I wouldn't normally use the term to describe prejudice against non-Jews, Allen. I was just philosophizing a bit about it being a kind of odd word in some respects.

You're right that children often show prejudice against anything that's noticeably different from what they're used to. Kids are great conformists, because they are often scared of things they're not familiar with. The thing is, though, a little kid doesn't know that certain other people are specifically defined AS Jews or Muslims or anything else like that until he's made to know it by things his parents say about those other people. He has then been primed to look upon all those other people as "different from us" and "all the same" (which they are NOT), when he might not otherwise have noticed it in the first place. :-) That's where I see the problem of unthinking prejudice arising.

What if the most important thing about another person was not that he/she is Jewish, or Russian, or Oriental, or Christian, but that he/she is human? That would be a good start, I think. Anyone who gets too hung up over his own or someone else's specific ethnic group identity tends to get unreasonable about it.

That's why I don't think Zionism was intrinsically a good idea in the first place. It's ethnocentric. Naziism was ethnocentric...to the point of utter madness. I wouldn't think it was a good idea if Gypsies or Six Nations Iroquois or some other people who have suffered in some way in the past decided to reclaim some extensive land area that has many other people already living on it now, and take it over by force as their inheritence, and call it a new "country". No one at the receiving end of that move would appreciate it, I assure you.

Ethnocentricity is not a good idea. It disregards and gets in the way of the much more important matter of human unity on this planet.

I shudder every time I see a self-consciously "persecuted" group of people attempting to divide themselves off from the rest of humanity and establish exclusive jurisdiction over some multi-cultural piece of national territory. It's the natural impulse of fascism, and it leads to war and disaster for all concerned.

I don't in the least mind, however, when groups of people like the Amish, for example, peacefully settle a privately-owned area of land within the context of a greater society, and exist harmoniously in that society, but in their own unique fashion. That's fine with me. That is not a threat to other people.

It's when it becomes an aggressively expanding military-national agenda that I consider it destructive.

Imagine what would happen if half the Gypsies in the World decided to go and take over, let's say, part of southern France or part of Spain...and establish a new Gypsy nation for themselves there, called "Roma". Bloody war, that's what would happen. It's a really, really dumb idea, no matter what happened in the Nazi death camps or in Palestine 3,500 years ago. Gypsies could nevertheless have decided it was a good idea, in the wake of their suffering at the hand of the Nazis in WWII. Let's all be glad that they didn't. We'd have another Middle East conflict going, only somewhere else.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 04:32 PM

[bleep] (for antisocial behavior)Who cares?

Go preach to someone else, moron.

I don't give a crap about pigs. Your Easter ham ain't having such a good time.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 04:48 PM

Professional pig wrasslers are going to be quite hurt by what you just said there, Guest...

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 05:12 PM

Of course Zionism was ethnocentric (though Herzl envisioned it as becoming a place where other unfortunates in the world could find a shelter). It was trying to find a solution for a problem which did exist and nothing else worked. They tried assimilating which just led to modern Anti-Semitism. The problem existed and just pretending it didn't would help no one. That's sheer naivete. Part of Herzl's reasoning was that wherever Jews went Anti-Semitism would follow. So no use emigrating. You needed a place to call your own. Of course it would be wonderful if we could live without boundaries, but realisticaly it won't happen. You would feel differently if you were homeless. Is it better to just drift between one flat to another, or to own your own house?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 05:53 PM

Allen - It's hard to say. I understand how the Jews felt, given all the persecution they had suffered. I do think, however, that at the conclusion of World War II they were in a whole new position where people had generally been made very aware that it was no longer socially acceptable to launch pogroms of any kind against Jews. They could have used that to their great advantage in the postwar World without attempting to occupy Palestine or some other place, and they would not then have lost the goodwill they had gained in the wake of the Holocaust. The Middle Eastern conflict has lost them a great deal of goodwill since 1945.

I think they would have been wiser to remain, like Gypsies, a community of people living in many places among a larger community of other people.

But...I can see how their own previous experiences had led them to the conclusion that that was not the way to go.

All this is damned unfortunate from the point of view of Palestinians.

What would happen if Afro-Americans decided to go and carve out a piece of Mexico or Africa or some place, having concluded that they would never get a fair deal living among whites? Nothing good, I can tell you that... :-)

Nope, I think it's wiser to continue living among other people than to go off and establish a new tribal enclave at someone else's expense. One thing for sure, anyway, no matter WHAT you decide to do or not do, it's not going to make everything perfect for everybody in your own community from then on. There's no way of making life totally safe.

By being a visible minority in many European (and other) societies for many centuries, Jews were vulnerable to attack by unscrupulous politicians. By forming a highly organized Jewish military power in the midst of a predominantly Muslim cultural area since 1948, Israelis are now...vulnerable to attack.

Life just is not a bowl of cherries. I figure Woody Allen could do a great monologue on the whole thing...and he probably has. :-)

The fact is, I'm not ethnocentric. I don't care much what my ethnicity is (white, Anglo-Canadian). It's just not that important. Who cares, really? I don't feel very comfortable around people who ARE strongly ethnocentric. It worries me, because it makes them have a chip on their shoulders, and they tend to see things mainly through one set of lenses, so to speak. That can make them hard to communicate with sometimes.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 06:13 PM

Yeah, but how long could it last? I mean it's ok until something DOES happen. What then?
Anyway it's not as if they randomly decided on Israel. it's been the focal point of Jewish heritage, a beacon of hope. The Palestinians brought a lot of the troubles on their own heads because they were led by cynical, self-serving leaders who had their own interests chiefly in mind, not those of their people. That has always been their misfortune, since the 1840s.
Jews were at the mercy of everyone, like the Roma still are.
Life is not a bowl of cherries, but having a home helps a great deal.
And you do know there were pogroms in early Post-War Poland.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 06:31 PM

Well, Martin GIBBON, I will be checking the 11 PM news for the day when your venom finally reaches the boiling point and the neighbors say--"...my my he was such a quiet man"--..."so nice---he helped me with my groceries".   That was after you exploded in your usual homophobic, obscene, anti-intellectual rage so poorly expressed on Mudcat. Somewhat like the tragic events I described earlier---from people like yourself that have only the internet to vent their frustration. What's the matter some of your chips didn't work and turned into Buffalo chips?

Too bad the thread was hi-jacked by a know nothing person who wants attention---that is why filters for scum are needed.

my name---not my alias--though yours may not be either---and who the hell cares

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 06:56 PM

Allen - Your point is well taken about the Palestinians being misled by cynical, self-serving leaders. No question about that. I was not really aware of the postwar pogroms against Jews in Poland, at least I don't remember hearing about it before. To be fair, I can readily understand why many Jews wanted to form a homeland in what is now Israel...just as I can readily understand the Arabs and Palestinians not being very happy about it.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 07:28 PM

Something else that is little known is that during the same time waves of Jewish immigrants were arriving, there was also an influx of Muslims, from North Africa and places like Turkey.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 08:51 PM

Ha! Bill H. is so fucking bent out of shape I couldn't help but blurt out laughing at his last post above.

You just don't get how funny this whole thing is to me.

You remind me of some fat old lady who snorts "hmmph" at everything as so easily offended.

You, sir are about as intellectual as a used rubber in a whorehouse.

You are a riot. Go cry to your mommy about your hi-jacked threads that apparently a so important in your life. While you're watching the news, how did the Cubs do today?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 09:06 PM

Tucson, AZ (Sports Network) - Clint Barmes smacked a three-run homer to help lead Colorado past the Chicago Cubs, 7-6, in spring training action from Hi Corbett Field.

Dustan Mohr added a solo homer in the win, while J.D. Closser collected two hits and scored a pair of runs.

Ryan Speier earned the win in relief after starter Shawn Chacon tossed four shutout innings, allowing one hit and one walk.

Todd Hollandsworth and Michael Barrett each had two hits in the losing effort.

Jermaine Van Buren was dealt the loss after allowing the winning run in the bottom of the ninth. Cubs starter Greg Maddux went six innings, yielding six runs -- five earned -- on six hits. He struck out seven in the loss.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 10:24 PM

The Palestinians brought a lot of the troubles on their own heads because they were led by cynical, self-serving leaders who had their own interests chiefly in mind, not those of their people.

In defence of the Palestinians, Allen, it should be pointed out that in some very important cases, their leaders were selected and put into power for them and not by them. Perhaps the most troublesome of these was installed in power by an Englishman who was also Jewish, against the wishes of the majority of Palestinians.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 11:54 PM

"You just don't get how funny this whole thing is to me."

Doesn't take much to amuse an idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 03:57 AM

Yes, I certainly agree about Haj Amin al-Husseini. But the Commisioner's being Jewish really had nothing to do with it.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 11:18 AM

Like yourself, Dog Genes?

I'm laughing my ass off how seriously you take this whole thing.

Why don't you go and enjoy a gyros plate or something?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 11:32 AM

I'm sure you're right Allen. But the fact that he was Jewish ought to at least give you and any other Jews who want to put the blame for Haj Amin al-Husseini's actions only on the Palestinians some reason for reflection.

You said:

The Palestinians brought a lot of the troubles on their own heads

To blame "the Palestinians" for the action of Haj Amin al-Husseini, over whom they had no control and whom they did not even want as their leader, makes about as much sense as blaming all Jews for the fact that one Jew put him in power in the first place. Which is to say that it makes no sense at all.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 12:11 PM

Haj Amin is not the only one at blame, and I didn't blame the Palestinians for him. You know he was intriguing and whipping up trouble long before becoming Mufti. As a delegate to the Syrian Congress he helped pushed through a resolution stating that Palestine was the southern and indivisible part of Syria. He also demanded a complete rejection of Zionism and whipped up riots against the Jews in Jerusalem, you can't say that he forced them to riot can you. The violent outbursts of 1929 were even worse.
Herbert Samuel was acting according to official policy, which was to mollify the Palestinians as much as possible. He thought that by making him Mufti, Haj Amin would mellow. Until him, Jersualem was a backwater among Muslim holy sites, despite being the site of Muhamad's Ascension according to tradition. He used all his power and influence to change this.
Husseini's family was powerful and had much influence, they were among the Palestinian elite for generations the Palestinians were pretty much resigned to them. There wasn't much protest over the apointment.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 12:24 PM

Haj Amin is not the only one at blame

Yes, that is true.

and I didn't blame the Palestinians for him.

My mistake.

You know he was intriguing and whipping up trouble long before becoming Mufti.

Yes, he was in jail at the time that Samuel Herbert had him released and then installed him as Mufti. The Palestinian leadership said they didn't want him as Mufti because they thought he was a thug. I guess they were right.

you can't say that he forced them to riot can you. The violent outbursts of 1929 were even worse.

No. Economic considerations and fears of displacement were the reason they rioted. It was not a good thing to do. But had Haj Amin not been their leader, they might have been led to do something much more constructive as a way of addressing their very real concerns.

Herbert Samuel was acting according to official policy, which was to mollify the Palestinians as much as possible.

Actually, this is not the case. The majority of Palestinians did not want Haj Amin to be their Mufti. They were not mollified by his appointment because they did not want him. There were elections held and Haj Amin lost the elections. Had Samuel wanted to mollify the Palestinians, he would have honored the results of the elections and not defied them, installing instead, a candidate that the Palestinians did not want.