BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 04:32 PM

[bleep] (for antisocial behavior)Who cares?

Go preach to someone else, moron.

I don't give a crap about pigs. Your Easter ham ain't having such a good time.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 04:30 PM

Well, no, I wouldn't normally use the term to describe prejudice against non-Jews, Allen. I was just philosophizing a bit about it being a kind of odd word in some respects.

You're right that children often show prejudice against anything that's noticeably different from what they're used to. Kids are great conformists, because they are often scared of things they're not familiar with. The thing is, though, a little kid doesn't know that certain other people are specifically defined AS Jews or Muslims or anything else like that until he's made to know it by things his parents say about those other people. He has then been primed to look upon all those other people as "different from us" and "all the same" (which they are NOT), when he might not otherwise have noticed it in the first place. :-) That's where I see the problem of unthinking prejudice arising.

What if the most important thing about another person was not that he/she is Jewish, or Russian, or Oriental, or Christian, but that he/she is human? That would be a good start, I think. Anyone who gets too hung up over his own or someone else's specific ethnic group identity tends to get unreasonable about it.

That's why I don't think Zionism was intrinsically a good idea in the first place. It's ethnocentric. Naziism was ethnocentric...to the point of utter madness. I wouldn't think it was a good idea if Gypsies or Six Nations Iroquois or some other people who have suffered in some way in the past decided to reclaim some extensive land area that has many other people already living on it now, and take it over by force as their inheritence, and call it a new "country". No one at the receiving end of that move would appreciate it, I assure you.

Ethnocentricity is not a good idea. It disregards and gets in the way of the much more important matter of human unity on this planet.

I shudder every time I see a self-consciously "persecuted" group of people attempting to divide themselves off from the rest of humanity and establish exclusive jurisdiction over some multi-cultural piece of national territory. It's the natural impulse of fascism, and it leads to war and disaster for all concerned.

I don't in the least mind, however, when groups of people like the Amish, for example, peacefully settle a privately-owned area of land within the context of a greater society, and exist harmoniously in that society, but in their own unique fashion. That's fine with me. That is not a threat to other people.

It's when it becomes an aggressively expanding military-national agenda that I consider it destructive.

Imagine what would happen if half the Gypsies in the World decided to go and take over, let's say, part of southern France or part of Spain...and establish a new Gypsy nation for themselves there, called "Roma". Bloody war, that's what would happen. It's a really, really dumb idea, no matter what happened in the Nazi death camps or in Palestine 3,500 years ago. Gypsies could nevertheless have decided it was a good idea, in the wake of their suffering at the hand of the Nazis in WWII. Let's all be glad that they didn't. We'd have another Middle East conflict going, only somewhere else.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 04:16 PM

You guys are on your own little egos and none of you so witty as to make worth departing from thread title.

you should remember not to wrestle with pig. you get muddy and pig has good time. please think it over.

you know who you are.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:35 PM

[bleep] (for antisocial behavior)Please bathe, Ata.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Ata Noshekh Kariot
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:23 PM

Oh and you are enlightened.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:21 PM

Arabs enter the picture of terrorists.

The Arab world is still in the middle ages.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:21 PM

I'm Jewish and Israeli you prick and have never been pro-terrorirsts, you decided that I was. Best thing you can do for us is SHUT UP or talk like a human being.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:18 PM

Little Hawk that's what it has always ment. It was coined by Marr to mean anything against Jews. Applying it to any other group is the wrong usage. Find a different one. Marr was a believer in the psuedo-scientific Darwinistic theories of race that were popular in the 19th century (and ever since). Ethnic Jews, were classified as the lowest, most insidious kind of Semites. Arabs didn't enter the picture.
Children can be very prejudicial against people who are different, unless they are exposed to it over time.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:08 PM

Guest, Allen
[bleep] (for antisocial behavior)
The fact is that I am Jewish, am a practicing Jew, am proud of my Jewish religion and heritage and could give a flying fuck what you or anyone here thinks.

Yes, I do a lot here because I can and so do many others it seems.

Get off your pompous ass high horse and don't read my posts, observations, and comments if you don't like them.

But you will anyway. Everyone else does.

Thanks Mudcat for the occasional entertainment you provide.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 02:35 PM

"Hatred, discrimination or abuse of Jews BECAUSE they are Jews."

Yes, that is exactly what "antisemitism" has come to mean in the present social context, even though it's a rather odd term, given that a lot of Semites are not Jews and some Jews are not Semites. Anyway, that's what it has come to mean in common usage.

It should be obvious to any rational person that hating people merely because of who they are is a pointless, destructive, and foolish thing to do. I guess that indicates that many people are just not all that rational. :-) Children would not even think to hate other people on such a basis, did not parents and society around them plant the notion steadily into their minds while they were young and impressionable. By the time they "grow up" the learned pattern of prejudice has usually been set as if in stone.

I think that similar patterns of anti-Muslim prejudice are now being foisted on many children as well (as has happened before, historically). (This, ironically, could also be called "antisemitism", because many Muslims ARE semites.)

Just depends on which chidren one is talking about, doesn't it? The basic problem is the same on both sides of the fence when it comes to this dispute.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 07:39 AM

Or you could just not read it how's that?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 07:15 AM

It must be time to close/delete this garbage now, and just remind me you are all adults aren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 05:02 AM

Anti-Semitism is really simple to explain. Hatred, discrimination or abuse of Jews BECAUSE they are Jews. The thread seems to have move a bit beyond just this.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 04:17 AM

The title of the thread is:

A discussion - What is antisemitism?

How about mature posters check their post before they hit send and ask themselves if their post has anything to do with the title? if it doesn't, don't press 'send'.

Thanks

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 26 Mar 05 - 03:46 AM

"I'm having a blast here and could care less about any attention. You just don't get it. There is no Martin Gibson except on Mudcat."

What it means is that he is a sad coward and wouldn't dare say half of it to your face. Either that or he gets ignored everywhere else this is the only place he can get his rocks off. You do more disservice to Jews and Israel than a pack of Neo-Nazis and cross-burning Klansmen could ever do. He's the kind that makes the Jewish world so fragmented. If he is indeed Jewish. If so, shame on the mohel for not helping himself to some more of the arak.

British English rules. It's got style when it seems American is limited to 'fuck' and 'cocksucker'.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:51 PM

No physical threats, Martin. I can keep you bouncing from thread to thread just by poking you verbally.

I'll leave you in peace for awhile. I'm bored with you for now. But as Arnie says, "I'll be back!"

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:47 PM

[bleep] (for antisocial behavior)I'm not squealing, but your threats of phyisical harm will be reported.

Who I am here has nothing to do with real life by design.

Who's over the line now, douche bag? Threaten to hurt people with bodily harm in real life Dog-Genes? Can't tell the difference any more.

Tell your greek butt buddies to lay off until your hemmorroids heal.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:42 PM

Funny. But that wasn't me. I'm still here, and I'll be popping in from time to time to poke Martin and keep him squealing.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:40 PM

I am out of control on this. I hate this guy and want to kill him.

I am quitting Mudcat. I can't take it any more.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:37 PM

Wrong, dung heap! Whoever you are in the 3D world is the fictional character. Martin Gibson, the local Mudcat slime-ball, is your real personality. You're too much of a coward to let it out where people might react by bouncing one off your snot-locker.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:30 PM

Deal with it Dog Genes.

I love to tell you are are full of shit because you are.

You are what's wrong with Mudcat and so is Bill H. Pompous assholes who must have it their way or no way.

Don't like it, leave, buddy.

If you opened your chest, one would find dog insides, not a human.

Except maybe a bleeding heart of a whining liberal.

I'm having a blast here and could care less about any attention. You just don't get it. There is no Martin Gibson except on Mudcat.

And Bill H. comparing this place and what goes on here to someone who shoots up a school shows that your intelligence is definately that of a moron and a complete idiot. You have no perception of reality, obviously. No swearing is necessaary to tell you that.

Sorry, bud, you are about as intellectual as a cold pile of Dog Gene's dog shit.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:20 PM

"Pustule." Aptly put. Obviously Mr. F. is quite capable of taking care of himself.

In my perambulations in the old days, I occasionally encountered tribes who were given to the practice of cannibalism. Martin, I'm sure, would be relatively safe in their midst. He would be much too difficult to clean, and that would be left after the offal was removed would be a stringy bit of sinew and a gelatinous blob of suet. And should the cannibal chef crack open Martin's skull, all he would find therein would be inadequate to adorn a Ritz cracker.

Of what use, then, is this creature?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:17 PM

And now he has the attention he so richly wanted ---just like the kids who shoot up schools---for attention

Bill H

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:16 PM

English slang is crap.

I'm not impressed by it and never insulted by it.

It's like watching Monty Python. English guys talking like they got a mouth full of marbles. Can't take it seriously.

Much more effective is:

"Oh fuck off, you stupid cocksucker."

If you are going to use slang, it might as well have impact.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:16 PM

SO---Little Hawk---any thoughts about the GIBBON?    Slang or otherwise?

How about something on the line of---excommunicating a non communicator to a community of common pieces of compost on a compost website discussion group since he knows of compost being a large part of a pile of rotting compost crap. I give him more credit here than he deserves----probably some more lime to neutralize the smell is really what he deserves.


Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 10:10 PM

It's English slang...as in "Shut yer bleedin' gob, you fecking twit!" :-) I love English slang, and I have gotten to know a great deal of it from 2 sources...Britcoms and the Mudcat Cafe. With a reasonable masterly of British slang one can easily give the impression that one is from the UK.

As in: "Oh, sod off, you stupid git!"

Parrots sound even funnier than usual when they curse with a British accent.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 09:13 PM

Hi Bill H.

Just took a dump and thought of you on Mudcat.

I'm not going anywhere.

I like some opinions on Mudcat, but not the pompous ass kinds like yours.

Bridge, been to any lawyer orgies lately? And the anti-semites just love the fuel and react, don't they?

If I fan the flames enough, perhaps they will just burn out. Gob is not slang in America I can assure you. That's why it is irrelevant.

Gee where's all of that famous liberal tolerance?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 09:01 PM

Well---time has passed---looks like you finally left for the sewer you abide in GIBBON.


Farewell----find a nice sewer hole on the internet for your conversations and lack of interest in other opinions.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 08:53 PM

I am curious---like George. Why do so many of you---and I am said to say I have been guilty too, but no more, to a GIBBON like Martin.

OK ===he admits to being in chips (computer---or horse--who knows) or something. Who cares.   

His input into any kind of conversation is of no value ---truthfully---best thing. Ignore such inane and coarse idiots and let the discussion continue---and, know what, he will disappear like a bad wind---or as Martin GIBBON would say---a fart in the wind. Which, is probably, the best way to describe him.   

Sorry for the coarse analogy---last time that GIBBON shall drag me into a comment at his level---or any comment---below the level of the curbstone.


Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 07:54 PM

You seem too stupid to get the point again Gobson.

Gob - a slang term for mouth, usually indicating excessive size or excessive use for uncontrolled oral utterance; hence well fitted to describe you in denigratory (but justified) terms.

Maybe all the lawyers you know double or triple bill their time, but I am not of your circle.

For someone who complains incessantly about antisemitism you do seem to go out of your way to provide fodder for antisemites.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 06:11 PM

Great quote that cockroach one.

Mahane Shmonim (80) when a bus was blown up. So fuck off. Or better yet tokhal zain batakhat.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 06:10 PM

Be not concerned on my behalf, O Father of All Cynics.

My physical disability is bloody inconvenient, but contrary to what Marty seems to think, except for my legs, all of my bodily functions are perfectly normal and my general health is excellent. The disability is obviously more important to Marty than it is to me.

The oozings of our resident pustule don't bother me at all. I just consider the pitiful nature of the source.

Don Firth

[And now, back to our regular broadcast.]

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 05:48 PM

"Zealots preach hatred and no matter how shrouded it is in platitudes it is still the preaching of the superiority of a race, gender, a religion or an idea. ... In my book, zealots and cockroaches are interchangeable." Elizabeth Schuett

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 05:42 PM

Blow me.

I know.

You were in a whorehouse in the Gaza Strip banging an Arab whore who was mutiliated in the name of Allah.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 05:18 PM

Ok, Martin. Why don't you see if you can recollect a certain event that happened in Israel during October 2002. I'll tell you where I was and what my feelings about it were and you can judge for yourself what a jaded ass you come across as.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 05:08 PM

Who cares?

I sure don't care at all about your politics.

Don't underestimate what I know about the real world.

Posting as a guest on a folk music web forum only proves you have a computer.

Here's a real world "get fucked" for you.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:59 PM

Martin you're an ass. You haven't a clue about the real world nor what my beliefs, convictions and politics are.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:51 PM

Thanks for agreeing with me, CarolC that this is indeed a cheeseburger and an order of fries.

I knew you would see it my way.

Once.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:46 PM

It is, indeed, Allen. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:43 PM

Guest, Allan c. you have been warned.

and no, this is not a discussion.

It's a cheeseburger and and order of fries.

Everyone knows that.

BTW, AllanC, what do you think of Palestinians who blow themselves up in buses in Tel Aviv? Don't you agree with CarolC that this action is justified?

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,concerned citizen
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:32 PM

The thought of CarolC and MartinG in a room.........

I don't see a downside.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:29 PM

Who's listening to him? I have eyes I can read. So far I've seen nothing to make me want to pay him any heed. So google and post away, this is a discussion isn't it.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 04:25 PM

I wouldn't get a room with this broad.

I would be afraid for my life.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:41 PM

podman, I don't see any reason why I should not give my input about Allen and robomatic's posts to this thread. And I don't see any reason why you should have a problem with that.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: podman
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:37 PM

get a room, you two.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:34 PM

I'm warning ya, Guest Allan.

She's suckering you in.

This broad has nothing but time on her hands to tell you how wrong you are on everything. She will spend hours doing google searches and force everything down your throat with no credibility.

Many know this here.

She's sponging off the government for some acted out disability and just loves to bite the hand that feeds her.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:20 PM

In case Martin's post will cause you to misconstrue my previous post, Allen, I was saying that I am enjoying your input. If find it interesting and also well articulated. I don't at this time know whether or not I agree with it because I have not looked into the matter at any length, but I do appreciate you taking the trouble to respond to my questions and I also appreciate your input about the historical perspective that you have gained from your reading on these matters.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 03:04 PM

Watch out guest, allen.

Carol C. will chew you up and spit you out!

she is renowned for being one of the most idiotic and narrow minded posters here.

Also one of the biggest haters of Israel and democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:55 PM

Seconding robomatic's sentiments: I'm finding your input to be very interesting, Allen, along with robomatics questions and responses to your posts.

Subject: RE: BS: A discussion - What is antisemitism? .
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Mar 05 - 02:36 PM

Glad you were offended Dog-Genes. Thanks for reading my posts. You seem so obbsessed with them. Why don't you get serious about the rash you have.

Again, your chain has been yanked.

When I get hit, I will hit back harder. Turning the other cheek will allow one to get hit on both sides.

Everyone brings their baggage to Mudcat, even you. Why aren't you ranting about some of the open anti-semitism that goes on here?

Or the disrespect for many others, especially those who aren't in a drug-induced far left wing frame of mind.

Deal with it.