BS: Bad things Canada has done.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:57 PM

Being a COMPLETE Racialist , the worst thing Canada has ever done was let the French in !! "BG"

Oh - By the way --200 !!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:58 PM

BUGGER !! It definately showed 199 when I clicked on it !!

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,AJ
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:59 PM

So, Just stop Begging us to Stay. We want a divorce. I will give you a good way to let us go. Vote for Bloc Quebecois on the next elections. I can promise you that if they win Quebec will leave you alone forever. LOL....

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,AJ
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:03 PM

LeadFingers:

You should go back to school and study your Canadian History and why not the US History at the same time...You may find something there.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:14 PM

Every post I have made I have never mention anything about Ethnic!!!
I think You have. My Kids are Perfectly Bilingual I married A fantastic woman Fron ONTARIO . I have worked with 34 Different nationalities. I have learned everything about them in order to understand their way of living, their religion etc. in order to make me a better person. Quebec independence has NOTHING to do with ethnic,religion,language,. We have learned to respect people for who they are. R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:17 PM

You might want a divorce AJ, but the majority of Quebecers voted against it in the referendum (it's called democracy). Those people know which side their pain is burred. When it comes to a Canadian election they vote Bloc; when it comes to independence they vote Canada. I for one would honour Quebec's independence should it occur. However, there are important considerations to factor in: The Cree, the northern parts of the province that would not be ceded, the St. Laurence waterway, Uncle Sam's dime's worth, etc. Evidently, most Quebecois are smarter than jumping into that abyss.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: bobad
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:19 PM

AJ

Who is the "nous" in maitres chez nous ?

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,AJ
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:26 PM

When Quebec separate in Quebec it will be Nous, in Whatever left of Canada... it can be you.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,AJ
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:29 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: bobad
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:29 PM

Je ne comprends pas.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:30 PM

Surely it will be 'them' if you've abandoned it?

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,AJ
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:38 PM

I agree Democraty is very important. on the next Referendum if both Camps are honest, the results may change or not. But you have to realise that if it is not now, or in 5 years, one day the vote will change and Quebec will become independent. It may take time but it will happen.If the Federal Gov. continue the way they are doing now it will be sooner than Later....lol... Like I said I am now a US citizen and proud to be an American.(some would say good thing you left AJ.....lol...)but I am still registered to vote in Canada and I wouldn't miss it for anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:50 PM

Good luck in your new country, AJ. Come back anytime. I would hope an independent Quebec would be Canada's best friend.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:55 PM

AJ

You don't understand. Quebec doesn't have the guts to seperate. Quebec "culture" is way too fragile to survive without Canadian subsidies and legal protection. And don't blame the feds. Quebec IS the federal freaking government. It has been since Diefenbaker. If Quebec were to try to become a "nation", in ten years they'd be more American and anglo than Louisiana.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,AJ
Date: 19 May 05 - 02:25 PM

American have much more respect for French Canadian than Canada. This is probably why everybody feels so different. and I agree with you We don't have the guts. This is why we are still talking about it. In New Hampshire, French and American are very close. Why is it not the same in Canada... Who knows... It's something that started 100 of years ago and it will not change tomorow. Why do you think that the PM Is always From Quebec... They know if an English speaking guy from the rest of Canada become Prime Minister it will be the end of Canada. That is why Harper must go on...

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 May 05 - 03:31 PM

If you want Quebec to be another New Hampshire, go ahead and seperate.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,AJ
Date: 19 May 05 - 04:02 PM

This is exactly what we are trying to do.
Please Canada, Help Quebec and Vote for the BLOC.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: bobad
Date: 19 May 05 - 04:21 PM

AJ

"This is exactly what we are trying to do."

Who is "we" ? I thought you were an American citizen.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST,AJ
Date: 19 May 05 - 04:50 PM

I still have a Canadian citizenship.So are my kids except 1.
My family is still in Canada. 1/2 of them for... 1/2 of them agains, We have pretty nice Christmas parties.... Specially with my Father in Law from Ontario. lol... You have to understand That independence has nothing to do with languages.nothing at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: bobad
Date: 19 May 05 - 05:52 PM

AJ

What is the basis for Quebec's desire to separate ?

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 19 May 05 - 08:02 PM

Hello, AJ.

Half my family is English and the other half French. No one in the family ever did or likely ever will vote for an independent Quebec.

Incidentally, I live in Alberta. I think we are the only debt-free province in this country. I know sure as hell Quebec isn't. There was a time when equalization payments went from east to west or east to further east. Not now.

The government of Quebec is no more or less honest or crooked than any other government here. Keep that in mind. But repeatedly we are treated to Quebec in action. Jaysus, son, they couldn't organize a one-car funeral. Think about it.

Bruce Murdoch

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: dianavan
Date: 19 May 05 - 10:58 PM

AJ - I doubt if you speak for all of Quebec. Fact is, if Quebec became a part of the States, it would geographically separate Canada. I don't think my daughter wants to be separated from her family in the Laurentians. I don't think her father has any desire to become an American lap dog.

Most of us are plain tired of hearing the whine about independence when, in fact, you would just become another State with a government who could care less about the people of Quebec. Do you really think those Yanks are going to learn to speak French? No, you will all have to speak English because thats the only language the Americans know how to speak. Once you learn English, the trade begins. Then the Americans will have access to all of your resources and the big rip will begin in earnest. Is this what you want?

What do you think will be gained by Quebec independence?

BTW - Since the budget passed, it looks like you may have to wait awhile. Maybe forever.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: dianavan
Date: 20 May 05 - 12:47 AM

From today's news: google Canadian budget -

"And, while justifiably shocked and disappointed, Canadians are not stupid. They know that civic virtue is not a genetic trait.

After all, Canadians have seen it all — whether it be crooked senior executives raping major corporations, errant priests victimizing the vulnerable, labour bosses criminalizing their unions or corrupt cops compromising law enforcement.

They know that bad apples and rogues are an unfortunate reality, even in normally respected quarters of civilized society.

That is why thoughtful voters have no intention of holding Liberals — or any political party for that matter — to a standard of universal virtue.

They know it is unfair to impugn the integrity of any party's leadership or condemn its entire membership based on the unauthorized and illegal acts of the few.

What Canadians want to know is that the system works, the guilty will be punished and the rules tightened up to reduce the chance of similar abuses happening again.

And, because most Canadians believe in fair play, they also want their politicians, including everyone placed under a cloud by the Gomery process, to be given the benefit of all of the facts before they are judged and sentenced.

For most Canadians, that is why an election now is unnecessary. Our system of government is, in fact, working just fine. Justice is slowly but surely, taking its proper course."

Canadians are just as bad as anyone else but at least they know how to play the game.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 05 - 04:08 PM

Quebec. I remeber the referendum I remember how ticked I was at this french speaking province, whop has been bolstered up finacnailly for years, who take a give very little back, who sing the same sad song about independance and the country of Quebec.

But I also realized that Quebec is not a country and it never has been. Canada has never existed without Quebec in it, and so there is no Canada without Quebec in it.

So AJ here's a thought, if it isn't about language, or ethnicity, or any of those things, then what is it about?

Is it worth more than this-

In all of the world. In all of history. There has never been a country that has made itself out as divergent a population as this one, while still allowing the culture, the history and the tradition of those who make it up to remain as it does in Canada.

TO seperate shows the world that with all of the riches we possess that we cannot live together, under a single government in peace. We demonstrate that human beings of differnet backgrounds can not live together under a unified system of government.

When we stay together, when we work it out as single country we demonstrate to the world, to people everywhere that it can work. That differences in culture, that regionalism can be subsumed into the greater good.

We stand as a beacon that differences in background and language do not preclude membership in a mutual family.

To seperate is to give into the bases of instrincts, to give up on that quiet hope.

It is the action of a lesser country, of a lesser people than we are.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 May 05 - 04:22 PM

I, a citizen of the US, was in Montreal, having just returned from a great ski trip to Mont Tremblant. We awakened to a flat tire.

I changed the tire and we drove to a gas station to check the air in the spare. I asked the young man sitting in the repair bay, "Excuse me, but do you have a tire gauge?"

"I am just here from Paris and do not speak English good. Sorry."

I must admit to being ticked off, and responded, "Quelle domage. Je ne parle la Belle Langue" and left.

I would have asked in French if I could have remembered the word for "tire pressure gauge." As it was, I was quite annoyed by the bigotry shown. (And no, he was not "just from Paris" -- I'd heard him conversing in English just before I entered the repair bay.)

That said -- most, if not all, of my other "bad experiences" in Canada were caused by US citizens. When that happens my wife and myself try to hide under the table....

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Metchosin
Date: 20 May 05 - 04:24 PM

well spoken Guest 20 May 05 - 04:08 PM, you brought a tear to my eye.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 20 May 05 - 04:50 PM

dianavan, re your post about the budget, Canucks also, I hope, remember that the Progressive Conservative Party was decimated to three MP's after Mulroney... after the country was sold down the river... after twenty two cabinet ministers were indicted on criminal charges for fraud... after he sued the government for defamation of character and was awarded $1M because the RCMP disclosed info prior to charging him in the Air Canada scandal, thereby precluding crucial evidence from being allowed in court and negating any possibility of conviction... after pissing off Quebec and, indeed, all of Canada on the issue of separation...

Now, we have to put up with the likes of Harper who just pissed off every true Canuck because his politics kept our political leaders from attending the VE celebrations... who stands up in front of the camera and accuses the Liberals of corruption? Pot/kettle? Who aligns with the Bloc?????? While the Bloc and the NDP are ALSO implicated as being involved in the "scandal". If the monies did actually get used to try to keep Quebec from separating, will any true Canuck be pissed? Will any true Canuck vote to bring Mulroney back? Oops, I meant Harper, of course. They might not even get three MP's this time around.

Belinda for PM!!!

Okay now, no more Tylenol 3's until after happy hour.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 20 May 05 - 05:04 PM

Metchosin... I'll second that. Well said GUEST.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Peace
Date: 20 May 05 - 06:46 PM

I'll third it. Beautiful post.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: dianavan
Date: 20 May 05 - 06:57 PM

I'll fourth it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: TS
Date: 24 May 05 - 02:31 PM

Well..I'm impressed that AJ's comments actually sparked additional comments. Being a BILINGUAL NBer I have learned to ignore certain "Vive la Quebec libre" ideas.

Slainte!

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 May 21 - 01:29 PM

A death camp for little children

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 May 21 - 10:53 PM

Jack Campin, years ago,
when dr. Elisabeth Kuebler-Ross was still well enough to travel
(before she died she was disabled by strokes),
she and her staff would travel up to Kamloops at regular intervals.
This was in order to minister to the survivors in the area,
to use the externalization method she had
to help them deal with post-traumatic issues.
Her method was controversial and
there may be those here who dislike talk of it.

I just mention it, because I had never heard of Kamloops
before coming into contact with
Elisabeth Kuebler-Ross's organization
and hearing how they were working with the survivors
and with the relatives of those who went missing.

I've never forgotten Kamloops from that day to this.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Charmion
Date: 29 May 21 - 09:39 AM

The recently uncovered mass grave at Kamloops is yet more evidence of the original sin that lies at the heart of Canada’s settler tradition.

I like to think we’re better than our ancestors, but I suspect we’re just different.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 May 21 - 11:54 AM

The link to a Reddit post isn't particularly helpful. It's like going straight to the remarks under a news story and trying to figure out what it is really about from those alone. It simply doesn't work.

'Unthinkable' discovery in Canada as remains of 215 children found buried near residential school

Unfortunately, this was the case around many of the Indian Schools in the US, and I've heard stories of it being even worse in First Nations schools in Canada. The Catholic church was quite often the culprit running the "schools."

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 May 21 - 12:01 PM

‘Horrible History’: Mass Grave of Indigenous Children Reported in Canada New York Times

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 May 21 - 04:18 PM

I linked to the Reddit thread deliberately - I could have just linked to a news article, but with 5.6K comments in the thread, many from people with first hand experience, the torrent of anger and tears goes far beyond what any paper would publish. It's citizen journalism at its very greatest.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 May 21 - 11:12 PM

There is now an official press release from this
First Nation community whose name has been
anglicized to "Kamloops" in British Columbia.

real name: Tk'emlúps te Secwépeme

The spokesperson in this press release references
a grant, titled Pathways to Healing,
which financed the use of ground penetrating radar.
The land and grounds still have areas that have yet to be examined.

Kamloops Indian Band, Office of the Chief

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Charmion
Date: 30 May 21 - 12:02 PM

Jack, with all due respect for your sympathy, even justified angry ranting is not journalism.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 May 21 - 01:41 PM

Don't feel superior because you're British. ALL nations have something to be ashamed -- or should be.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 May 21 - 02:23 PM

Whataboutery is invariably a moronic response. And it's just obscene for this.

That Reddit thread includes a first-hand account by a 93-year-old man who had never felt able to tell his story before. You don't fucking DARE say he has to shut up because he's not a real journalist.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 May 21 - 02:47 PM

Nope. But there is a lot of crap to have to wade through to find a few worthwhile reads in those reddit threads. Tu quoque is a standard response in this kind of topic. Ollaimh has been kicked out or he'd be in here smearing obscenities around.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Charmion
Date: 30 May 21 - 04:06 PM

Jack, memoirs are not journalism either.

Journalists produce opinion essays and accounts of events that are carefully constructed in compliance with the conventions of their profession and the requirements of their publishers. The “first-hand” account — if it is, indeed, what you say it is (I would not believe that from a Reddit posting) — should be considered a memoir.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 May 21 - 09:28 PM

All of which is why I'm not a twit on twitter or a red on reddit or a tik on tiktok. I am on Facebook and LinkedIn and joined when I was a poor working stiff who felt they might be useful -- and I take anything in both with a massive amount of salt.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 31 May 21 - 08:15 AM

Be a rough job splittin' that, even after frost, eh?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/tree-cedar-truck-viral-social-media-1.6042822

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 31 May 21 - 08:43 AM

Didn't read the thread... maybe later, time permitting. I have a list as long as your arm, but, the worst, for me, was when Pierre Trudeau led the charge to change the Bank Of Canada Act of 1934 to rewrite it as the Bank Of Canada Act of 1974. Canada has gone downhill ever since. When he famously brought in "a bunch of men with guns" in La Belle Province, he was my hero... that guy didn't fuck around... he didn't take no shit! But, he used a gun on Canada's financial policy... killed it... dead as a knit. Hero > vile villain. Then, our PMs got worse. Now, his son, Just-In, is worthless, and worse. Aggggggggghhhhhhh!

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 31 May 21 - 08:44 AM

Is there a way I can post an image from my 'Picture' files?

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Jeri
Date: 31 May 21 - 09:33 AM

Gnu, no, but you can post a link to it.

Regarding the complaining about what people chose to post, stop, please. Anybody can post here, and we can have an assortment of links.

For what it's worth, this doesn't seem to have even made the news here in the US - at least not yet, and not where I am. Posting comments and people's experiences is fine - IF we know what they're talking about. I think it's covered, now.

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: gnu
Date: 31 May 21 - 10:57 AM

Jeri, re "Regarding the complaining about what people chose to post, stop, please.", please refresh my memory - with what do you take offense?

Subject: RE: BS: Bad things Canada has done.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 May 21 - 07:26 PM

It wasn't directed at you, gnu.