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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Son From: Haruo Date: 21 Jun 05 - 02:07 PM Do these people mean "female genitalia" when they say "cock" or do they simply use it "inclusively", i.e. to mean genitalia regardless of gender (so that they might talk about Betty Grable's cock or Clark Gable's cock, allowing the context to supply the specifications)? In other words, is this a different sense of the word or merely a (disconcertingly to those of us not accustomed to it) broader sense (not sure what to do about that unintended pun)? Haruo |
Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: Snuffy Date: 21 Jun 05 - 08:34 AM I only ever once encountered "cock" in the meaning of female genitalia in a rhyme I learned aged about 8 or 9 in northern England in the mid/late 50's: Put a penny in the slot See what Betty Grable's got Two big tita and a hairy cock That's what Betty Grable's got I thought it must have been a mistake by the people I learned it from, and they must have meant "twat" not "cock", but maybe not. |
Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: Big Al Whittle Date: 20 Jun 05 - 04:29 AM just goes to show one man's cock, is another man's poison i think Bob Dylan said that. |
Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Son From: Haruo Date: 19 Jun 05 - 11:44 AM Shouldn't "don't need no taxi fair" be "don't need no taxi fare"? My former roommate Verne Eke does the "Darktown" version, which he learned from the author, to appreciative racially diverse audiences in retirement communities around western Washington. Haruo who finds the digressions on the dialectal diversity of the semantic fields of "cock" fascinating |
Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: GUEST, impersonating a person who crs abt JM's "co Date: 19 Jun 05 - 10:37 AM John, I just don't see any reason to collect these songs. Don't you have any interest in real music? It falls in the same category as my old friend's dissertation about the San Francisco Leatherman. Not worth reading. harpy |
Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: Big Al Whittle Date: 18 Jun 05 - 12:42 PM toss up which would be constued as more offensive - although I did the darktown strutters earlier this year in a jam session at Loughborogh acoustic club. I well remember the late Tony Capstick doing the Shel Shiverstein/Doctor Hook song. As I remember it as okay but didn't really cook with the folk club audience at Ampersand where I used to see him regularly - not like his best material. As for the others I've never heard them before - good luck in finding an audience for them, other than the more adventurous returning rugby club coachful |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE DARKTOWN STRUTTERS' BALL From: John M. Date: 18 Jun 05 - 11:57 AM Here is the original song (recording and sheet music)
Title: The Darktown strutter's ball |
Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: John M. Date: 18 Jun 05 - 11:56 AM Here is an adapted version by Shel Silverstein.
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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: John M. Date: 18 Jun 05 - 11:56 AM Here is another text. This version is from Australia.
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Subject: RE: pg13 Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: John M. Date: 18 Jun 05 - 11:55 AM Here is another text of this song from ~1958.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: Jim Dixon Date: 28 Apr 05 - 08:19 PM I grew up in St. Louis in an all-white neighborhood 1947-1965. "Cock" there meant female genitalia. I don't know why. It wasn't until I moved to Minnesota that I realized this usage wasn't universal. In those days, you never saw language like that in print, let alone in films, etc., and there was little contact between the races (that I was aware of, anyway) so there was no easy way to compare usage in one region/ethnicity with another. I suppose things are changing now. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:52 PM PoppaGator: I first heard it in1956 in Fort Riley. Wasn't particularly a black usage then. clint |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: PoppaGator Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:03 PM It was at Fort Dix (1972-73) that I first encountered use of the word "cock" as a reference to the female (as opopsed to the male) genitalia. I thought it was a Black (African-American) usage rather than a Southern one, but that's a distinction that is often confused/unclear. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: GUEST,Allan S. Date: 28 Apr 05 - 02:01 PM I heard the first version december 1953 as Fort Dix during basic training U.S.Army |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: John M. Date: 28 Apr 05 - 12:11 PM Here is another version of the song as sung by The Clover's in 1956 titled 'The Rotten Cocksucker's Ball' (recording). Note that the word "cock" in the southern USA was a common slang word for the vagina -- so the title means 'The Rotten VAGINA-sucker's Ball' and does not have homosexual connotations.
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Subject: Lyr Add: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' Trad. Song From: John M. Date: 28 Apr 05 - 12:11 PM If you wish to post an objection to this thread, post your message... HERE If you post to this thread, you will move this thread to the top of the list. As you probably know by the title, this thread is for mature audiences only. Below is a traditional bawdy song titled: 'The Motherfucker's Ball' (recording)
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