BS: Evolution as Heresy?

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution as Heresy?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 09:53 AM

Evolution is also a questionable theory and not proven as some people think. While it may have merit as a theory it is still just that,
some recent discoveries put in question the evolution of man from ape.

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as judge in the field of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods." Einstein

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution as Heresy?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 08:54 AM

I read science journals (both popular and obscure)daily, and see no movement of scientists pushing the notion that science can disprove God or creation. Okay, Richard Dawkins often says that there is no scientific evidence of a creator, but he would also be the first to say that science *cannot disprove* the existence of one.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution as Heresy?
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 08:43 AM

I think that if "Science" (that being -- University-trained secondary education teachers) weren't so insistant upon the notion that "Science" disproved the existance of a creation, there would be little push from the religious for some kind of "equal time".

Unfortunately, there is such an insistance.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution as Heresy?
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 08:10 AM

This is a great step in the march of human ignorance.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution as Heresy?
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 08:08 AM

to answer the question in the way it was asked.....Evolution is much nore than just an alternate theory. It is repeatedly confirmed and demonstrated. If some people want to claim that, no matter what the process, I still believe God started and planned it all, fine! Understanding and accepting the is not necessarily inconsistent with religion, but the evidence of the PROCESS should be taught!!!!! And part OF that teaching should be that "no one can show or prove or demonstrate how the process got started, and if you have a strong faith in a Supreme Creator who planned the process we are learning about, it is hard to argue.

from yesterday's Washington Post:

New Analyses Bolster Central Tenets of Evolution Theory
Pa. Trial Will Ask Whether 'Alternatives' Can Pass as Science

By Rick Weiss and David Brown
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, September 26, 2005; Page A08

When scientists announced last month they had determined the exact order of all 3 billion bits of genetic code that go into making a chimpanzee, it was no surprise that the sequence was more than 96 percent identical to the human genome. Charles Darwin had deduced more than a century ago that chimps were among humans' closest cousins.

But decoding chimpanzees' DNA allowed scientists to do more than just refine their estimates of how similar humans and chimps are. It let them put the very theory of evolution to some tough new tests.

more of the article including this:

"...Evolution's repeated power to predict the unexpected goes a long way toward explaining why so many scientists and others are practically apoplectic over the recent decision by a Pennsylvania school board to treat evolution as an unproven hypothesis, on par with "alternative" explanations such as Intelligent Design (ID), the proposition that life as we know it could not have arisen without the helping hand of some mysterious intelligent force.

Today, in a courtroom in Harrisburg, Pa., a federal judge will begin to hear a case that asks whether ID or other alternative explanations deserve to be taught in a biology class. But the plaintiffs, who are parents opposed to teaching ID as science, will do more than merely argue that those alternatives are weaker than the theory of evolution.

They will make the case -- plain to most scientists but poorly understood by many others -- that these alternatives are not scientific theories at all.

"What makes evolution a scientific explanation is that it makes testable predictions," Lander said. "You only believe theories when they make non-obvious predictions that are confirmed by scientific evidence."

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution as Heresy?
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 07:49 AM

what we are up against in the US ...and eventually, everywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution as Heresy?
From: Stu
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 07:39 AM

The problem is in teaching creationism (or I.D.) as scientific theory is all wrong. Theories are testable hypothesis and are open to question and scrutiny, and I.D. patently isn't testable.

Teaching it in RE is fine though, as long as it is balanced by other non-christian creationist theories too.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution as Heresy?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 07:38 AM

You can not avoid the question of where we come from.
It would not be education.

Subject: BS: Evolution as Heresy?
From: Hopfolk
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 07:21 AM

With regards to the debate about re-introducing creationist theory to schools in America (and soon Britain, no doubt!), My 2-cents would opt for not teaching anything about the origins of everything and allowing the parents to brainwash their own kids - either way.

Anyone else?