BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 09:43 AM

Who is it than I am paying land rent to for the house I own ? Divis, you're paying to the corrupt rich of England who made their money doing dastardly deeds years ago. You are NOT paying rent to the British. In much the same way as some people in Manchester are now paying rent to the corrupt rich of Ireland who made their money doing dastardly deeds more recently. They are NOT paying rent to the Irish. There are corrupt rich on both sides of the Irish Sea and in many other places besides. Feel free to call the landowners of both sides but don't assume that all of us on this side of the puddle belong to that class. Corruption knows no political, religious or territorial boundries.

BTW - If you are still covered by English land law you can buy your leasehold for around 5 years ground rent. The landlord is obliged to sell it you. We did it with a property we owned some years ago. The same bastards that own your land owned most of Lancashire as well.

Why was it his Fathers nickname then?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 08:17 AM

Slab was his fathers nickname before him.Keith you asked does Britain own any land in Ireland ? Who is it than I am paying land rent to for the house I own ? And there are many large estates in the Irish Republic still in the hands of English double barrelled names. The British control and own the lands within the six counties of Ulster, I was sure you would have known that.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Stu
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 08:06 AM

Divis - If you know Murphy could you tell why his nickname is 'Slab'?

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 07:28 AM

Does Britain own any Irish land?

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 07:21 AM

Maybe Keith the British could explain how they obtained so much land in Ireland ? Was this bought or stolen ?

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 07:12 AM

Sweeney,
The Assets Recovery Agency does not bring criminal charges against people
I think that what happens is they confiscate money that can not be accounted for legally.
Mr. Murphy will have to explain how a pig farmer came to have fifty million dollars worth of property.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 07:09 AM

Sandra's right.

Irish politics. its a bit like programming the video.some of us just don't get it.

i was in a Happy Eater once when Paisley walked in with his bodyguards. (He ate the Olypmian Breakfast). Someone at the next table whispered, isn't that the IRA bloke?

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Pied Piper
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 06:47 AM

Quit right Dave, as it's an English word the Irish borrowed.

PP

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 06:09 AM

Hammer time?

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 05:22 AM

So when does Tom Murphy appear in court on these charges ?????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 03:52 AM

Dear dianavan . Thanks for those words.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 08:31 PM

The winners (usually the big guys) write the rules.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 07:02 PM

Divis -

Not all mudcatters disagree with you. In fact, I'm glad to hear you say what you do because although I am empathetic, I don't have the background to justify my feelings on the subject. I'm one of the folks that are sick and tired of England and the U.S. invading, killing and maiming citizens of other nations and then crying foul when it happens on their own soil.

Seems to me that powerful nations think they are justified to do whatever they want and when the defenseless fight back with what little they have, they call it terrorism.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 06:50 PM

I do enjoy the craic here, thanks Dave. Everything is well here and I'm doing much better, thanks! Takes more than a smashed car to keep me down!
:)
E

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 06:47 PM

If people join for the crack (English spelling - please note;-) ) and then go on to find out a bit more about proper music then all the better:-D

Nice to see you btw Epona - How's the lone star state? Hope you are fully recovered and mobile again.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 06:37 PM

If your not saying the right things then you shouldn't be on it. So why have this section ? It was recently brought to my attention via a friend. So sorry no interest at all in Blues, folk, jazz, country, gospel of diddle dee music. So am I barred ? It would appear its fine to open a thread about the PIRA such as robberies, weapons, this cock and bull story about Manchester, but not for anyone to answer them if they don't share the view of the thread ? Sorry guys attack PIRA and I will reply. In a gentlemanly fashion of course.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 06:13 PM

Never have explored the music threads...not once. I joined for the discussion on the BS threads, for the chance to learn things that I had not been exposed to before. So, no, not everyone is here for the folk first, though it's definitely possible that many are! I hope this helps explains some of our presence (non-folkies in mudcat land).

E

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 06:07 PM

Epona,
I think you are wrong (not sure though)
I do think that everyone else is here for the folk first, and then the BS
Why would a non folkie log on in the first place?
I don't mind. I just don't get it.
Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 03:57 PM

I am so lucky to be very informative on all music ,Pop being the exception, otherwise the limeys would after me as well.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 03:41 PM

Keith, you suprise me!!! If the cat was only for folkies, then the BS portion wouldn't be here. That's what's nice about the cat: it's here for everyone, not just one group! :) Folkies and all.

E

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 03:32 PM

Agreed, loss of any life is a regret. Whoever they may be. And I do not disagree with you regarding the 96 bomb, anything is possible.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 03:31 PM

Sweeney, I am curious too.
What made you want to be part of this forum?
Why do you care what a lot of folkies talk about?
Do you post your opinions on many other forums (fora?)?
Is it because of the cease fire?
Nothing else to do?
Seriously, I can't imagine anyone coming here without running through the music forum first. If that were not here you would be on your own!

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Another Guest
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 12:57 PM

Let's get this straight - killing Irish people and discriminating against Catholics in N. Ireland in the 60s was wrong; the British government of the time was wrong to ignore it; killing innocent people in N. Ireland and mainland Britain was wrong - adding wrongs together never makes a right.

I have always believed that the Manchester bomb of 1996 was some sort of conspiracy. The section of the city that was blown up was exactly that part that needed to be re-developed in order that the city centre could compete with the Trafford Centre. Anything connected with planning and development, in this country, is so murky and corrupt that anything is possible.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 11:36 AM

Thanks Eric.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 09:13 AM

Nah Divis, I'd rather have you here than not, it's a hoary old saying but, I might disagree with everything you say, but I'd defend to the death your right to say it.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Tirghra
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 08:46 AM

It's easier to hold on to what one knows than to challenge your own beliefs, wouldn't you say, Divis? I don't think they want your answers as they'd just prefer to hold on to the ones they've been spoon-fed. It's much easier and that way they can avoid the messiness of the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 07:58 AM

Eric, I fully understand about the blues and folk mag, the points I see which require answers are in this section. Or would you prefer me to go away and you can all have it your way, without Irishmen giving you the answers ?

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 06:07 AM

So am I.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 05:41 AM

He's a fan of The Dubliners.
G..

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 05:34 AM

Divis, what is it about ' an on line magazine dedicated to blues and folk music ' that you didn't understand ?

eric

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah2
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 02:57 AM

Remember folks, we're dealing with the Irish.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 02:35 PM

Sorry guest, I wasn't born in 1798. There were many within the ranks. And locally I know three Catkolics within the ranks of the L.V.F. ! When I say I know them, I know off them. There is an ex RUC member and ex Orange Order member a Sinn Fein Councillor ! The late Billy Wright of the LVF Was reared a Catholic and went to a Catholic school and played Gaelic Football in Mount Norse !

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 02:07 PM

Divis: you're confusing the IRA with the United Irishmen, probably wishfully.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 01:48 PM

Very true, there were many protestants within the ranks of the PIRA.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Sandra
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 01:46 PM

Epona so glad to see you back, great post as always, they just don't understand. You made a very valid point here.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 01:30 PM

Sorry very remiss of me, please read this which shows that some of the earliest home rulers were indeed Protestants.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 01:08 PM

I've posted this before, but it seems important to post again. Not all Irish Republicans are Catholic, and not all Unionists are Protestant. So, if we are discussing Irish Republicans or Unionists, let's use those terms instead of Catholic or Protestant. Thanks! :)

E

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 11:46 AM

Jimmy C I do not deny that you had to get yourselves noticed to get the rights that you so obviously deserve.
It's the methods that many Catholics have been persuaded by those wishing to take criminal advantage of the troubles have told them were necessary. I don't agree that all the killing was necessary, as killing is always unjustifiable, and I don't agree that you lacked a large amount of sympathy on mainland Britain.
Why did they never take their campaign of violence and intimidation down south, so that the Irish government might be prevailed upon to intercede on their behalf, they didn't seem to say much to support their fellow Catholics in the north that I heard of, and if they did they didn't say it loud enough.
I'm glad a new step has been made on the path to a united Ireland, and agree that it is long overdue.
As for investing in Manchester it's just as well someone has!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 11:27 AM

eric the red. Why is that what you have to do to get into your gang? list musical rants ? My taste is Jimi Hendrix, Curved Air and Motorhead. And we did a lot more than plant bombs in litter bins. And I am very proud of the work our boys did.And no I am no idle boaster. Next question.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 11:24 AM

Up until now the Assets Republican Army has moved mainly against loyalist gangsters, confiscating ill gotten houses, BMWs, ice cream vans etc and there were loyalist moans about it not being even handed!                                                            

Crime is't sectarian, it's crime.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 10:41 AM

I notice that 'Div ' Sweeney always uses the collective ' we ' or inclusive ' our ' is he really one of them ? or just another idle boaster ?

Planting bombs in waste bins to kill children isn't a very brave or noble noble thing, or anything to brag about.

And why does he never contribute to music threads ?

eric

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 08:24 AM

I know I am going to regret getting involved in this but.....


It has been extremely difficult to gather evidence in criminal cases in the north of Ireland because para-militaries, criminals and governemnts have intimidatedd potential witnesses so effectively.

It is not surprising that few cases actually get to court

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Jimmy C
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 08:14 AM

Dave,

You are correct of course, but in my post I said "some mudcatters' not all and not most ?.

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 07:11 AM

Already this story has been taken off the BBC and ITV screens, the head of the Assests Recovery Agency is former RUC Assistant Chief Constable Alan McQuillian , it is not the first time republicans have clashed with McQuillian, in 2002 he blamed the IRA for operating a spy ring at Stormont which resulted in the Unionists withdrawing from the power sharing agreement.

He also linked the Provos to the break-in at Castlereagh Police complex in east Belfast also in 2002, prior to which he claimed Republicans had been planning a major riot, none of the charges were ever proven or anyone arrestet.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Pied Piper
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 05:57 AM

The usual suspects with the usual logic, Wrong + Wrong = Right.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 04:57 AM

...and as to I have been to many funerals of children murdered by your British soldiers here in Belfast.

Lets go to the Sutton index of deaths in Northern Ireland.

People 0-16 killed by British security. 39
People 0-16 killed by republican paramilitary. 61.

I post the above without comment.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 04:33 AM

There was a parallel thread about some mudcatters being anti-irish, now where would one get such an idea ?.

Wrong, JimmyC. I started that thread. I know what it was about. I started it because of a comment by one of the 'Tirs' that the average Brit was anti-Irish. I think it was proven without reasonable doubt that there is no such thing as the 'average Brit' and that in general the people of England are not anti-Irish. Incidentaly, I find it odd that we have seen neither of the Tirs recently but Divis Sweeney seems to have be giving an identical message. Not saying there is anything sinister. Just odd;-)

What I have also noticed is that in any thread mentioning the Irish, and probably some that don't, a lot of Irish and Irish/American mudcatters take the opportunity to slag off ther English. If we look at some of the recent threads I think you will find that anti-English comments are in far greater abundance than anti-Irish ones.

But, as I said on the anti-English thread, us English are a bit thicker skinned (and yes, before you say it, a bit thicker!) than some others and I, for one, couldn't care lass about petty vindictiveness on an internet discussion forum. I have a more interesting life outside the mudcat where people of all races sing folk music, get on with each other and don't get off on scoring political points:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: Jimmy C
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 10:14 PM

Pied Piper and Clogger,
If the bombs had not gone off in mainland England would you have had any interest in what was happening on the streets of Ireland ?. You all just don't get it. we were left unnoticed, abandoned and subjected to bigotry, insults, and discrimination both in jobs and housing by an anti-catholic and anti-irish political system for nearly half a century. This all happened under the noses of OUR GOVERNMENT Nobody cared and nobody gave a damn, as long as the killings were in Ireland it was passed over just like the sports section in a local paper. The only way to get the attention of the Westminister government was to take it to their own doorstep. It is heartbreaking that children had to die, it's sad that anyone had o die, nobody in the world wants these things to happen, especially to the young, but children were dying in Ireland and we did not hear too many complaints from across the pond. Pay heed to what Divis said, every word is true.
By the way, what happened about that big bank robbery anyway - NOTHING. IT just vanished off the front pages as fast as it appeared. Nobody charged, no real proof of who was responsible, just insinuations. Of course the front pages were required to report the McCartney killing, yet the Jim Gray murder was reported on page 56 of my morning paper under items from around the world.
There was a parallel thread about some mudcatters being anti-irish, now where would one get such an idea ?.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 06:30 PM

It's heartwarming to see boys have somewhere to meet once they outgrow the secret seven.

Subject: RE: BS: PIRA Invests In Manchester
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 05:09 PM

Oh dear Pied Piper you seem annoyed, sorry Tom who I happen to know has not been in court yet on a charge. As to the Northern Bank raid none of our boys have been in court regarding that case either. And thanks our volunteers are doing just fine in their retirement. As to kids being murdered, did you ever attend any of the funerals of those that you happen to mention ? I guess not you are just a little talker. I have been to many funerals of children murdered by your British soldiers here in Belfast.Go away son and try another thread.