Catholic Priest clears his chest

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 12:37 PM

It's called flamenco ted, We all get it from time to time.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 10:56 AM

I seem to keep attracting this evil virus on this computer, what on earth is it?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Epona
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 08:07 AM

Soon off for another busy day...Would love to take you up on your offer, Teri, and "do it" myself, and maybe if I can get some peace this weekend I will do some research on my own. But, with such a vast amount of knowledge available through my fellow mudcatters, maybe I won't have to! :)

Teri has been extraordinarily kind to use some figures Wolfgang provided, one of the figures being 2055 deaths in the North attributed to "Republican paramilitaries." And, if anyone can help me with my questions, I would be very thankful.

1. What groups make up the "Republican paramilitaries"?
2. Assuming that the PIRA is one of those, how many deaths are they held accountable for out of the 2055?
3. Of those deaths attributed to the PIRA, how many were:
    a. loyalist paramilitaries
    b. British troops
    c. RUC
    d. political targets
    e. civilians

Any help or answers would be really appreciated...and hopefully I'll be able to check into this myself tomorrow!

E

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 05:55 AM

Teribus At least your reply to me was reasonably civil.You have no idea what it was like to grow up in the North throughout the 1960's. I was young and could not understand the names I was being called or why my family were being treated as second class.We saw Civil Rights being demanded in America and drew a parallel. Young people took to the streets and demanded equality. They were battered of the streets. Because Nationalists had found their voice they became trouble makers. From the top level of North of Ireland government it was decided to put down the desired wish of Nationalists to be treated as equal.As to Rodgers remark in that Orange Hall, my ass would we have got it, Christ they are still trying to put us down today.The Civil Rights movement were hammered into the ground by the police as your government stood by, example Burntollet Bridge 1968. Catholics were being burned out of their homes, example Bombay street. Even the IRA in Dublin were reluctant to act. So in 1969 the people in the North found it's own defence, The Provisional IRA. I fully accept your dislike of them, but Teribus just for a moment imagine that you were knocking about in 1940 and the Germans landed on your street and battered the crap out of you. If you said to me you would stand back and not get involved, I would call you that word you set at my door in very post LIAR.Do you give Wolfgang a hard time over those killed in the blitz ? Why not ? His war like my own is over.You refer to the Continuity IRA. I have a number of times made it clear I have no support for them. I support my party leadership in Sinn Fein to get Irish re-unification by peaceful means.Do you want me to throw up all the illegal actions of the British Army whilst in my country ? Why do you keep going down this road ? The leadership on more than one occasion has expressed regret at the loss of life of non-combatants, has the British Army ? Teribus I did not get the chance to fill in a tick box when I was born as to which faith I would like.I was born a Catholic and through the actions against of a uniionist government became a Republican.Again I repeat all loss of life is regrettable, but I do not and will not ever say our armed struggle was wrong. Regarding your remark about bestowment of professional courtesy, I never underestimated the British Army.Regarding troop numbers here they never come out of their barracks, it's just another overseas posting.I remain proud of all our Volunteers and the sacrifice they made either by their life of the time spent in prison.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: ard mhacha
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 04:43 AM

Johnston Brown had to have his book published in the Dublin by Gill and MacMillan, no publisher in the north of Ireland would chance having the British Government send their vultures in to confiscate the evidence.

In the Dail yesterday Pat Rabbitte TD named Mark Haddock and John Bond as the men responsible for Raymond McCord Junior`s murder.

McCord`s father welcomed TD Rabbitte`s exposure of the two UVF killers, he said," This is only the beginning. The UVF has been controlled by the Special Branch from the 1970s, the Police knew about hundreds of murders before any triggers were pulled".

A Police Ombudsman report on the murder of Raymond McCord Junior is to be published next month. It is expected to recommend prosuctions against six Special Branch Officers who ran UVF members in north and west Belfast.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 04:39 AM

My sincere apologies Guest Clint for my delay in clarifying your point relating to the builders yard in Balham.

I have made NO remark about, or reference to, a builders yard in Balham, apart from having previously stated that I did:

A. Not know where Balham was.

AND

B. Had no knowledge of any 'builders yard' in Balham.

I also have not got a clue who 'Ralph' is.

I do hope that that answers any questions you have relating to the matter. If not please follow the directions given by Wolfgang and conduct a super search of my posts inputing 'builders yard Balham'

Please revert with result of your research, if however, you do not, I will take it that, apart from what I have stated above, you have found no reference to me ever having mentioned Balham, or a builders yard in Balham in any other post. In which case your question will have been fully answered.

Failing that a thread could be started either on:
- Balham, or
- On things people on this forum were supposed to have said when in actual fact they didn't.

Epona,

To answer your question, in my mail the following statistics were given (Source Malcolm Sutton):

British Security 363
Irish Security 5
Loyalist Paramilitary 1020
not known 80
Republican Paramilitary 2055
TOTAL 3523

Further down the post I refer to - "Divi and his pals", and mention the 2055 figure. I think it would be perfectly clear to anybody that "Divi and his pals" relates to Republican Paramilitaries, I've never heard the man argue any other cause. Nice attempt to nit-pick but it doesn't alter the thrust of the arguement, or the veracity of my contention in the slightest.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Clint
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 04:15 AM

Still Teribus you spray out the same old statistics. But you still dodge answering the question put to you by myself and I note many other people regarding your remark about the BUILDERS YARD IN BALHAM. Teribus I clearly remember you saying it. Can't remember the thread. You were going on about Scotchmen to Ralph. I pm'd Ralph but he is no longer a member. Look I am not a Republican, Nationalist or IRA man, I am Englisg and live in Clapton Hackney. So before you go on and on as you do will you please explain why you wish to avoid this point

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 10:21 PM

Epona, the Sutton Statistics are as available to you as they are to me. Wolfgang has provided the link, you do not need me to furnish the information you require. Do it yourself

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Epona
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 10:11 PM

And let me amend my above statement slightly...Of the 2055 deaths attributed to "Republican paramilitaries", how many of those were at the hands of PIRA? That would be another good answer to have. Looking forward to hearing the numbers in the morning, Teri!

E

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Epona
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 10:03 PM

Teribus,

Do you know the breakdown of the 2055 lives that you've quoted as being taken by the PIRA? Were they civilian? British troops, RUC, political targets? It's an honest question and I would be very interested to know. Thanks.

E

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:53 PM

According to Malcolm Sutton:

British Security 363
Irish Security 5
Loyalist Paramilitary 1020
not known 80
Republican Paramilitary 2055
TOTAL 3523

The figures do not lie although we all know Divi does.

Now, I know that it is not as simple as this, but what the hell, just for arguements sake:

If I and my lot had not been in Northern Ireland 363 more people would be alive.

If the Loyalist Paramilitaries had not been around 1020 more people would be alive

But If Divi and his pals of whom he is so inordinately proud had not been around 2055 more people would be alive.

In fact it would have been a damn sight more than that as we would have considerably reduced the 'loyalist' tally.

DIVI - That is a FACT

Here are a few more:

DIVI quote, "If I have something worth saying I will put my name to it."

DIVI you are a liar I have proved it on this thread, you cannot wriggle out of that. Please remember that in anything you post on this forum in the future that is going to come back at you - You are a proven Liar.

DIVI quote, "..it's clear you are not going to bestowe professional courtesy on me as I would you." Now come along DIVI, when have you ever "bestowed any professional courtesy" towards me - Never.

Another DIVI quote, "Now Terminal, calling me murderin' scum
is not very nice either."

Unfortunately DIVI, ould son, the statistics provided by Malcolm Sutton seem to bear out my opinion of you and the organisation you seem to have chosen to defend - 2055 lives out of a total of 3525, and that does not take into account those injured and maimed for life. Things would have been a damn sight better had you stayed away by a factor of 60% - FACT.

The "most successful guerilla army in the world." offered/sought ceasefire after ceasefire.

The "most successful guerilla army in the world." has, thankfully and eventually, abandoned its weapons.

The "most successful guerilla army in the world." Never had any mandate from the people of Ireland to murder 2055 of its citizens.

At present there are 15,500 British Troops stationed in the North of Ireland, there are 8,500 British Troops stationed in Iraq.

DIVI quote, "Did you never feel a teenie weenie bit jealous of their ability to strike with such ease and accuracy ?"

Do you mean like when the much vaunted PIRA planted the 24 bombs in Belfast City Centre, timed to go off within 2 hours, then came out with the statement that they did not target civilians. The loss of life on that day came to 5 people, any idea who that was down to DIVI? I'll tell you, the RUC, the British Forces, and members of Northern Ireland's Emergency Services. It certainly had fuck all to do with the Provisional IRA, who were hoping for a far larger score.

DIVI when it comes to telling the truth to our grand-children I will be able state with clear and verifiable conviction that I was there to save life. It will be clearly demonstrable that you, and the organisation that you were a proud member of, were there to take it - to the extent of 2055 lives to be exact.

DIVI quote, "When in the North of Ireland did you ever run away Terminal, I didn't."

Oh DIVI, the PIRA always ran, normally after killing innocent civilians. The preferred method of the PIRA being by indiscriminate bomb. The number of times the PIRA did hang around to fight they came off decidedly second best. And while boasting of your war, the PIRA trotted off to Brussels to complain about a "Shoot-to-kill" policy - what policy did your side employ, no need to answer DIVI the 2055 versus 363 over the period speaks volumes.

I dare say that you are very pleasant, personable, entertaining and likeable in the normal course of things. But please do not try to justify 2055 lives lost directly at the hands of the organisation you so vehmently defend and expect me to agree with your point of view, because, put very smply, I won't. You and your fellow volunteers murdered 2055 of your own countrymen, don't ever boast about that in my company and try to tell me what the PIRA did and what they achieved by THEIR sacrifice. I am all for the way Stan Rogers told it in House of Orange what ever you wanted was there for the taking without the loss of 3525 lives.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 08:29 PM

Oh dear Terminal you really are getting cross. I thought my days of giving your type the run around were long over. Listen I don't give a toss about that Balham remark,I don't understand it or want to. It's got nothing to do with me. And can you not do better than keep calling Wolfgang in to your lost arguments ? Do you think I have nothing better to do than go through your posts ? What I have read and seen on this thread says enough ! Terminal, you keep making remarks about me coming in as a guest to answer you, why would I want to do this ? If I have something worth saying I will put my name to it.So it's clear you are not going to bestowe professional courtesy on me as I would you.Now Terminal, calling me murderin' scum
is not very nice either.I am starting to think that you must think I was some form of a murdering terrorist ? No Terminal that's wrong. I never wore the Queens uniform.Now what about starting off again on a new footing and talk about the most successful guerilla army in the world. Now there's a subject that would interest me. I would love a history chat with you on that one !.Did you never feel a teenie weenie bit jealous of their ability to strike with such ease and accuracy ? Ah well your Generals Ford and Tuzo did. It's funny Terminal, we really are just both sides of the same coin I feel. We will both tell our grandchildren stories. But Terminal who will be telling the truth ? When in the North of Ireland did you ever run away Terminal, I didn't. Always good to hear from you. See I am really a very pleasant fellow when you get to know me.Please don't say we can't be friends.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 07:53 PM

GUEST/Divi/Epona 27 Oct 05 - 02:42 PM

Do the super search as directed and explained by Wolfgang and you will find that I have only ever mentioned Balham in my posts to state that I had not got the vaguest clue as to its location.

Too technical for you??

Another classic example of what Wolfgang refers to as - "you are a victim of what is called 'source confusion', namely that you attribute something that was said about Teribus to him having said that."

That comes about because you are brainwashed and braindead to any sensible discussion that doesn't conform to your preconceived notions and beliefs. Very easy to understand because you are a pack of Lying Gits, you've got so used to it that it's a natural reflex, you couldn't tell the truth even if your rather pathetic lives depended on it.

Oh by the bye, A the 1st Ake, loved your post:
- I could feel the mists of history rolling back to reveal 'Bonny Scotland' as it once was.
- I could hear the bagpipes playing in the distance, swelling to the ultimate climax as the glories of A the 1st Ake's Scotland came into being

Abso-fuckin'-lutely hilarious

Teribus - a Scot and a Catholic

PS: One other exercise Divi revisit the statistics that Wolgang provided and contemplate that if your lot hadn't bothered how many more innocent Irish lives would have been saved and how better off the place would have been. Before 1969 how many observation towers were there? I can't remember there being any.

"You can boast of what you've done
But you're naught but murderin' scum
And you're actions prove it clearer every day."

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 07:20 PM

Have you noticed the Terminal silence ?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Jimmy C
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 05:44 PM

Ard,

It's been that way since before and after the McMahon murders. What bothers me is how the big shots in London did nothing about it or if they were not aware of the real situation then they have not been doing their job. You cannot govern a place unless you keep an eye on the place. I am sure they have known about these type of things all along but as usual did nothing about them, no bloody wonder the early protest marches were necessary.
Of course these latest stories will never make it to the front pages the way the McCartney murder did. But that's to be expected.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Soldier Boy
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 05:40 PM

I have Googled Johnston Brown RUC and that man`s book will really blow the lid of the RUC and their Special Branch, all of the different leads are a story waiting to be told.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: ard mhacha
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 05:27 PM

In todays Irish News it is reported 6 Special Branch Officers have been implicated by Police Ombudsman Nuala O`Loan in the cover-up of more than a dozen UVF murders.

The six Officers failed to act on evidence that linked senior UVF informer Mark Haddock, former RUC detective Johnston Brown also claimed that Special Branch prevented police charging Haddock with the murder of Sharon McKenna in 1993.

Johnston Brown was hounded out of the RUC for pursuing loyalist murderers, Brown said that Special Branch allowed Haddock to continue on his murder rampage, he added " if they allow this to happen, who else did they allow to die".
Brown has just published a book on his time in the RUC, this is an eye opener on the vast scale of collusion that went on in the Special Branch with their Loyalist murder machine.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Guest Clint
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 02:58 PM

Yes Bill elighten us about your Balham remark or are you going to ignore this too ? gain some credibility, your getting the stuffing knocked out of you by replying to those above. Answer please on Balham remark.Will keep asking.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 02:42 PM

You won't get an answer divis. See he didn't say sorry either for saying Eponas post was yours. I am still awaiting an explanation and Clarity on his remarks about Balham. And that's here in England ! So doubt he will be in a hurry to send an answer to Ireland. Seems a funny like of guy ?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 01:51 PM

Terminal what a way to talk about a group of guys who just lead normal lives like yourself. How could anyone hate the Provo's ? Your comrades gave me a bit of a hard time on the odd occasion, but I am not giving you it in the ear.Come on the 90 minutes are up. Do you want it to run into extra time ? Say your sorry about all you said about the Provisional IRA and I will accept it.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 11:25 AM

I see you're still banging your gums y' lyin' Git.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:39 AM

Oh sure Teribus you cry "I am not supporting loyalists" a poor excuse. Heard it before from you over there. Makes no difference your system is what it is and it is against Catholics period. And equal rights for everyone ? has to be a joke. I don't seem to read one report about Northern Ireland that says anything different. Prove it otherwise. You have a sectarian jungle and the DUP promotes it along with others loyalist groups. Give us a break in the US. Push come to shove you would be right there with the loyalist paramilitaries, the RUC now the PSNI, the British government and the dirty tricks brigade. Give me a break. Ethinic cleansing is what you promote Teribus, Great excuses you come up with too. I do believe that Protestant loyalists did much more that the IRA, which is not on record so drop the excuses. And what's your hang up about Balham London ? I have a friend who lives there. By all accounts it's a swell place.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 08:36 AM

Terminal How can you call me all these names, the hurt you bring to my heart by name calling leaves me emotionally wrecked. Would you like to boast to other soldiers that your war with the Provo's has taken a new step ? That you will ensure the bastards can't sleep at night? Terminal you are really wearing me down, looks like your victory. So here I stand in sack cloth and ashes crying out the words SORRY SORRY to you and your comrades I was nothing better than an animal. Would you like this signed ? Right now wake up the dream is over.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 07:53 AM

Hey Divi,

"Teribus. This is not my post. Check with Joe this was from Epona. And signed in her ususal E. I am sure she will confirm this."

Well I'm sure she/you/Guest/Guest Fiolaris/whoever will, as soon as you get round to it.

On the above quote from your mail - You're not trying to tell me and anyone else reading this thread that you object to somebody attributing statements to you that you did not in fact make!!!!

Now you'd never do that would you. Divi you are a proven bare-faced liar and a dissembler - the typical Provisional spokesperson.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Epona
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 07:47 AM

Forgive my spelling errors...on the run and won't be back until late! Had to contribute at least once today though!!!! :)

E

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Epona
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 07:43 AM

It's true, that is definitely my post...Anything with the "E" is me. And, I would like to point out, if you had followed the thread that you quoted me from instead of just pulling out quotes to suite your ends, you would realize that we were defining what British vs. English/Scottish/Welsh meant. In that forum we defining British as having two definitions, and the one that I use was: "An IMPERIALIST that holds on to the remaining shreds of the 'Empire'."

So, do I hate the English/Scottish/Welsh? No. In fact, it seems silly to even suggest it if you had been around here to get to know me! But, I have heard that you took a break from the cat during a, ummm, not so "pictureaque" moment for your army. I choose, though, to dislike individuals (not blindly hating entire groups of people). Does that sum up the whole post situation? I hope so. If you need more clarification on that thread, please feel free to read the whole thing. I know, though, that it is rather long. Sorry I couldn't provide you with ammunition on Divis because it seems you're in rather desperate need...maybe if you ask nicely he'll take it easy on you?! :) Good luck with that!

E

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 07:14 AM

Teribus. This is not my post. Check with Joe this was from Epona. And signed in her ususal E. I am sure she will confirm this. The site mixed a few of our posts up !
apologise in your own time. Oh sorry you don't do that do you ?
Dear oh dear you don't like the the Provo's do you !
Ah such a pity, really annoys us to know that.
Above post from GUEST in one of the best I have read here in a while.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:57 AM

The main conclusion for northern nationalists arising from the recent debate sparked by Fr Reids Nazi/unionists comparsion is unionists denial about their role and responsibility for creating the conditions which lead to almost 30 years of war.

Unionist politicians are in denial about the decades of injustice they inflicted on the nationalist people of the six counties.

There was not a single unionist at a politicial, religious or business level prepared to accept their part in this conflict which caused huge loss of life and left a generation of people scarred. Unionists do not have a case to answer when their actions are compared to the magnitude of the holocaust.

But, Unionists must deal with the reality that their Orange one-party state generated and perpetuated racist and sectarian attitudes similar to the type of hatred and prejudice that led to the Holocaust.

Their state systematically discriminated against an entire community simply because that community`s nationalist identity was different and could be presented as a threat.

It is more accurate to compare what unionist leaders did here with what whites did in South Africa. The unionist state was every bit as immoral as as the state set up by the whites. Both relied on a system of apartheid.
In the 1950s the South African parliament introduced laws to deprieve blacks and coloureds of political and economic power. In the north of Ireland, the unionists relied on the Special Powers Act, a system of political and economic privelege for unionists and Protestants which ghettoised and rendered nationalists powerless.
Underpinning both states was a supremacist ideology, which treated blacks in South Africa and Catholic/Nationalists here as less than human beings with inalienable rights.

Lord Brookeborough prime minister from 1943-63 set the standard. He refused to employ Catholics and publicly encouraged other employers to follow his example.
He achieved unionists stated aim of creating `a protestant state for a Protestant people`.

The government was unionist and Protestant, the judiciary, unionist and Protestant, the civil service unionist and Protestant, the police unionist and Protestant,. The employment practices of the state`s flagship industries, Harland and Wolfe,Shorts, Sirocco, Mackies, rewarded generations of loyal citizens with employment, while discriminating against Catholics.

The first unionist unionist government very quickly abolished PR for elections and replaced it with a first past-the-post system.
Unionist majority resulted. Unionist politicians gerrymandered Stormont and local government constituencies, turning unionist political minorities into political majorities.

To vote you had to be a householder or own a business. Unionists allocated houses and denied them to Catholics. Many unionist busines people had more than one vote.

The umbrella organisation that held it all together was the anti-Catholic Orange Order supported by the Unionist party, the RUC and the `B`Specials.
The ethos of the state was British and Orange, all things Irish were illegal, discriminated against or ignored. Display of the Irish tri-colour led to arrest. The Irish language was not recognised. Parents had difficulty or were refused to register their child`s name in Irish. Gaelic games were not catered for, almost every public Park provied for all sports with the excepition of our native games.

All public Parks had their childrens play areas closed on Sundays, fundamental Protestants seen to that.

Thus the Catholic/Nationalist population were regarded as mere second class citizens.
Such bigotry also found a home among educated middle-class unionists.
Unionist politicial leaders have to recognise their part in creating the circumstances that led to this conflict, unless they do they will not find their role in helping to resolve it.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:55 AM

To the various GUEST characters that have been created to create the impression of width of support, I call your attention to the following:

Teribus - PM
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 02:34 AM

".......I have and bear no hatered of the Irish, Irish Republicans, Irish Nationalists, Irish Unionists, I even have quite a measure of respect for the Official IRA. My objections are reserved for a self-appointed group of murdering thugs, who, as was clearly seen in the referendum held throughout Ireland in 1998, had absolutely no mandate from the Irish people to act on their behalf. Who opportunistically jumped into an improving situation and succeeded in making it worse in order to further their own interests politically and financially. Who needlessly and indiscriminately killed and wounded thousands and then boast about it. Who terrorised then extorted from the very communities they were supposedly protecting. Believe me I have nothing but complete and utter contempt for ALL the PARAMILITARY GROUPS in Northern Ireland, and that I have often stated."

Now what part of that is unclear to you? Are Catholics mentioned? No. Are Prtotestants mentioned? No. Republicans and Unionists are quite clearly, and in a little english comprehension test for you can you tell in what context they are referred to? I'll even make it easier for you and make it multi-choice:

A. The group for whom I have stated that I have and bear no hatred for.

OR

B. The group for whom I have nothing but complete and utter contempt for.

On rascism from DIVI on the other hand we have -

Divis Sweeney
BS: Are we anti-Irish? (452* d)
RE: BS: Are we anti-Irish?
14 Sep 05

________________________________________

I'm anti-British...Should we again define what British means? Haha!!!

E

He then follows later in another post about what his rather weak definition of British is - something about being in the service of the crown.

Of course that is not really the case, like the good Fr. Alex Reid in his outburst about Nazi's, Divi just let the mask slip momentarily.

A bare-faced liar and a dissembler - a Provisional.

Oh and DIVI if you want a reality check:
- Go back through the thread the Sutton Stats tell you how many your side killed (around 58%), doesn't show the thousands more that were injured and scarred for life.
- Go back and find out what percentage of the people who live in the North want to remain within the UK (around 60%)
- Go to the web and find out how many people in the whole of Ireland who in 1998 told your organisation of choice that they had absolutely no mandate from them to pursue political aims through violence (around 87%), well done it only took the PIRA 8 years to listen to the people of Ireland, the CIRA, RIRA haven't heard them yet. The Loyalist paramilitaries apear to be about to listen and act - I certainly hope so, it would not be before time - about thirty bloody years.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,I'll get a Bull
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:18 AM

God help you TERIBUS, talking giberish again. In reference to Protestant Ulstermen, I am a protestant and can't stand the orange order, paisley, loyalist paramilitaries, so before you talk about protestants and catholics, think about what you say, some might think it is slightly racist.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,The Plasterer
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:12 AM

I am Irish and lived for many years in a Mayfair Suite in London Teribus. I also had the odd drink with a few Squaddies and never had a problem with their views on Irish affairs. They knew I was a Republican and often joked about it.Why are you so serious and hate ridden towards Republicans ?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 08:39 PM

True points in above two posts. Loyalists often cry the chant For God And Ulster We will Die For Our land and Faith. I don't remember many that did. On the other hand our Volunteers who died on hunger strikes in 1974, 1976 and 1981 did so with conviction.All new PIRA Volunteers knew what was on offer a long prison sentence or death. I am yet to hear of one that walked away on hearing it. Why can't people accept our war is over ? If the above ex British soldier wasn't so filled with hate, there could be a debate here. But no it's always I will hound out the IRA in every post. That's a pity. But if this is to be your cause in life understand this, defence of the Provisional IRA and it's struggle is mine.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Epona
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 08:00 PM

I'm Protestant and Republican and I don't feel it is at all a contradiction. It's unfortunate when people (PPoU :) ) feel the need to justify hate through religion, especially the Christian tradition. Hate masked with religious fervor is still that: hate.

E

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 07:39 PM

Religion?
Spit!!!

It was never a religious war for us...

If the working class had have been encouraged to stick together from the word 'Go', religion would have been as much of an issue among us, as it would have been in any comparable 'Christian' society.

The religion card was more heavily played on the Protestant people, however, and just as fear triggers many frames of thought in this day and age, the 'Protestant People of Ulster' were brought up to fear us.
We, on the other hand, were brought up mostly just to be fairly suspicious of them.

Even now, as the PPoU complain about being 'left out in the cold' (whatever that is supossed to mean...), they cite the same reasons as the Nationalist Community have always done as to why they feel as if their rights are getting walked on.

As soon as the PPoU drop the first 'P' in their whatdyacallit, the sooner they will realise that it never was a cause worth killing for in the first place... (They never did much dying for it, in fairness....)

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 07:05 PM

Very good point to raise Akenaton. I was born a Catholic, but was not a very good one ! I did attend chapel until 1983 when Cathal Daly the then bishop in an attempt to please the British government had a statement read out that those who supported or were members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army had no place in the church. Well I walked out that day and never returned. Being born a Catholic in the North of Ireland wasn't my fault. Being turned into a Republican by repression wasn't my fault either. But I will die a Republican. For people to refer to me as a Catholic is funny. I consider a Catholic to be someone who attends mass and lives by it's strict code of rules.Not something I could do very well.But being born a Catholic was enough to get my crap knocked out more than once.Being turned into a Republican gave me a heart and a will to do something about it.Republicans are an anti-sectarian force in Irish politics.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:49 PM

"Just imagine of being called 'child molester' by someone"

No need for the 'of', Wolfgang....

Do you want to give over about typos now, Wolfgang; cos bad grammar is worser.....?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:42 PM

.... Or would that be 'Teribii'?
(... one 'i', perhaps???)

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:21 PM

Indeed, Wolfgang. Or murderer, rapist, or hoarder of WMDs.

However you fall into your own hypothesis, here, because, the only thing you have proved is that you can't find the offending post either.

... and d'ya know wha'...? it's not that I can't find it, (cos I have seen it), it's just that I'm too busy, the cat is too slow, Teribus never uses one sentence when 4 paragraphs will do just as well, and it's Wednesday, for Christ's sake.

Wednesdays are for winding up Teribuses

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:07 PM

Tír Chonaill,

of course I knew it was a typo, but since you started the paragraph with the words "If memory serves me right" I just couldn't resist. Sorry about that.

I knew who Nairac was. One does not read more than two dozen books about Northern Ireland without meeting this name and the story behind it more than once. (Just BTW, the last book of those I did read was Before the dawn and I did like it.)

I'm truly curious by now what post by Teribus is in your memories and how the actual content of that post relates to your reported recollections. That's a kind of professional curiosity for I'm doing among other things research on memory illusions. When I first mentioned the search function it was to help whoever wanted to refind the remembered post. Meanwhile I got more curious and have done a search. Teribus has never used the word "squeal*" in any of his posts before this was brought up. In a second search I have looked for all posts by Teribus with the word 'interrogation' in them. Quite a few. But none of them had any more than a very superficial resemblance in my eyes to what was claimed.

My best guess at this moment is that you are a victim of what is called 'source confusion', namely that you attribute something that was said about Teribus to him having said that. But I may well be wrong and if I am I'd like to know.

Whatever you may think about Teribus' political opinions (mine are very different from his, in general, and also about Northern Ireland), he has a right to be attacked for what he has actually posted. With so many of you remembering that content it should be easy to put up.

Just imagine of being called 'child molester' by someone. And then that person says I seem to recollect having heard it from yourself or was it about you but I can't be bothered to check and perhaps it only was something similar...

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 05:22 PM

You're right lads.
All my life I've dreamed of a Scottish republic, where we can regain a bit of national pride.
Where we we can see our people as a complete nation and live in peace.
For centuries our young men have died in Engish wars and our once proud people now reduced to a dispirited benefits ridden underclass.

As you pointed out above some folk cant separate religion and politics Republicanism dosn't mean Catholisism, but this perceived link has been used extensivly in Scotland, which has now become a sectarian swamp, every small village in the west having a branch of the Orange Order stirring up hate.

And the terrible thing is they're full of young people, infected by the "old team"

Good luck to you in you're hopes for peace, and I'll add my hopes to see your Island united, never again to feel the shame of bigotry or second class citizenship in your own land.......Atheist Ake

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:35 PM

Wolfgang surely wouldn't have wasted 43 characters to correct an 'ia/ai' typo, would he?
I buggered up the fada over my 'i's a few times up there, and he never said a word?

We're not reduced to this, now, Wolfgang, are w`?
Is that why the Mudcat more entertaining when the 'Adams Family' are around?
Gives you your only opportunity to stand correcting, I could only imagine..

He probably doesn't know who Bob is...

(... bet you he knows now, though....)

Oh... entertaining isn't the word, Wolfgang....!

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:34 PM

Sorry Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:30 PM

You didn't get it, Divis. But Den has explained it for you.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Dick Soye
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:21 PM

Wolfgang an bhfuil an cluiche celtic ar an telifís anoicht an bhfuil fois agut?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:16 PM

Bob is short for Robert. Do you understand that Wolfgang?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Den
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:14 PM

Very subtle Wolfgang. I'm sure it was a slip of the keyboard on Tír Chonaill's part. Nairac.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 04:04 PM

Bob Niarac? Well, if your memory says so...

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:46 PM

"Your first paragraph - pure name calling" Teribus: 26 Oct 05 - 12:32 PM
"Only the Irish have been too thick to realise it..." Teribus: 29 Sep 05 - 10:28 PM

You're wide open, Teribus!

Have you noticed how slow the mudcat is recently?
Do you think that people have nothing better to do than search for your little gloatings?

If memory serves me right, you said something to the effect that you saw suspects squeal like pigs (or for 'their mammys', or something) during interrogation.
... but I can't be sure, neither; Tiocfaidh showed the post to me, and I think my response was 'I wonder how Bob Niarac is enjoying his new identity....', or something like that.

Welcome to the internet, Teribus, where all is not necessarily to your liking, and where the Jeffersonian Democratic System doesn't apply

There is an old saying which goes "It's all over bar the shouting"
That's as far as you lot are concerned, of course.

As for bringing people to book in the present time, however, there is a large corps of heavily armed individuals that have never even suggested handing in their weapons, and you save your long-winded posts to slam the RA?

Are those the actions of an intelligent man; a man who believes that he is the only one that posts anything of any sense to these boards?

(... don't suppose you ever said that, neither...)

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Clint
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:12 PM

I remember something about the Builders Yard in Balham thing. Will try to find it later,can't remember the thread, does anyone else ? he was going on giving Ralph a hard time over something. Sorry memory failing me, getting like Teribus !

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:03 PM

Now we have an ex British Soldier who is so seething at the Irish patriots he TRIES to taunt them with old stories of murders. News for ya boy, we have NO love for old hate no matter where it comes from, your petty deflections aint working and we will ALL continue to hope for peace over here.The unionist community showed at the ballot box what they thought of the terror related D.U.P. and their beret wearing leader.I also like the people above have no intention of going through everything you ever wrote, in fact I would not know how to. Please enlighten me about the Builders yard in Balham remark, if you can remember it, that is ?