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Subject: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Andy Date: 03 Nov 05 - 04:58 AM Local folkies might like to know that the brilliant singer/musician Damien Barber is appearing at Kiveton Park Folk Club, near Sheffield, on Tuesday 8th November.Should be a great night with this young maestro in attendance. All are welcome and we try to give all floor singers an opportunity to strut their stuff! Free grub in the break, free tea and coffee for the non-imbibers, a cheap bar and a friendly crowd are all part of the deal. Kick-off 8.30, so boogie on down to Kiveton next Tuesday for some great music and singing. Our website is at kivetonfolk@fsnet.co.uk Regards Andy |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 05 - 05:46 AM Packs a punch I believe, brilliant singer/musician, boxer, thug |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Andy Date: 03 Nov 05 - 10:26 AM My original post to inform people about Damien Barber's forthcoming appearance at Kiveton Park Folk Club on the 8th Nov. has, it appears been hijacked by an anonymous contributor who appears to have some personal axe to grind about Damien! Now, I have NO KNOWLEDGE of Damiens pugilistic abilities, or indeed his aptitude for thuggery, as implied in the second posting BUT, is this forum the place to make slanderous remarks about folk performers,(other than on their performances?) I have come across numerous folk performers in my time who's attitudes and behaviour have not endeared me to them, but would not dream of slagging them off through these channels. Lets keep it clean please. Regards Andy |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Wyrd Sister Date: 03 Nov 05 - 10:49 AM Hear hear Andy |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 05 - 11:24 AM for more insights into Mr B's other talents,have a look here: thread.cfm?threadid=80877#1472646 |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 03 Nov 05 - 11:28 AM He's a great performer and entertainer. That's all I need to know. Leave the gutter stuff to the Sun please. S:0) |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 03 Nov 05 - 11:59 AM Well each to his own , but I for one will never venture to see Mr Barber again.. |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: greg stephens Date: 03 Nov 05 - 12:59 PM Mudcat is a forum that, as a collective entity, reveres Leadbelly perhaps above any other musician. Yet nobody, in my experience, has argued here that we should not listen to Leadbelly because of the extremely violent incidents in his life, eben though they were a million times worse than anything we are talking about in this thread.. Damien has apologised for a very unfortunate drunken stupidity. He is a very silly boy. I would say leave it at that. Judge his music as music. |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: breezy Date: 04 Nov 05 - 04:02 AM Will the weather be fair? Will there be sunshine? |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 04 Nov 05 - 04:32 AM Greg How can you come to the conclusion that the people who use this forum revere leadbelly above any other musician. I do not think I have ever heard any Leadbelly, there is certainly none in my record collection. I know little of his history, jailed for murder accused of another I believe, I would not have gone to see him either. |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: greg stephens Date: 04 Nov 05 - 05:07 AM Raggytash: I didnt claim you personally liked Leadbelly. How would I know? I was making a comment about the Mudcat Forum as a statistical whole. There are, for example, more than fifty threads on the subject of Leadbelly in the archives, quite apart from endless stuff about him on threads that aren't specifically about him. I repeat what I said: Mudcat reveres Leadbelly's music. That doesn't imply that Mudcat reveres his personal behaviour. |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: greg stephens Date: 04 Nov 05 - 05:15 AM Woody Guthrie, interestingly enough, beats Leadbelly in the thread numbers game. There are more than 90 threads mentioning him by name. And precisely the same arguments apply, as a matter of fact. He was guilty of some appalling behaviour in his private life, which I have no inention of going into here. His music, like Leadbelly's, is truly fabulous. |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 04 Nov 05 - 05:33 AM Hi Greg Apologies to Andy, it woud seem another thread would be pertinent |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Jon Date: 04 Nov 05 - 05:34 AM I'm sure Greg Stephens is right and that there will be musicians whose music we like but whose behaviour we don't like or would not like if we knew about it... I will again offer an alternative view though. If forming an opinion over a person, I try to look at the general picture and character. I doubt for example that there are any here who drink or have drunk have not done something at some time that is totaly out of character and that they have deeply regretted. I have (although never a public display of violence) on more than one occasion. I sort of knew Damien years ago as a fellow participant in a weekend festival. Sure he liked his drink but I never once had the impression he was of a voilent nature - quite the opposite in fact. If you view his profile you will see he lists fighting as a dislike and I can assure you that was not an addition to appease some spiteful Mudcatters. However wrong he was on that occasion (and there is no disputing it was wrong), I firmly believe it was a one off and out of character. Quite frankly, I would much rather have a pint or several with Damien than have a pint with a "holier than thou" like Raggytash. Also, I believe this willingness to persecute an artist, each time his name is mentioned reflects badly on Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: greg stephens Date: 04 Nov 05 - 05:35 AM Another thread started! |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 04 Nov 05 - 06:00 AM Interesting dichotomy in your contribution Jon, as far as I am aware you don't know me but you state "if forming an opinion over a person I try to look at the general picture and character" and then go on to state that I personally am "holier than thou" How you arrived at the conclusion that I am "holier than thou" without looking at my "general picture and character" is puzzling perhaps you would care to elucidate |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Jon Date: 04 Nov 05 - 06:04 AM The general picture I have of you is that you are condeming an artist for a one off out of character incident and that to me is "holier than thou". I don't need to know anyone to any degree to know we all sin to some degree or other. |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: greg stephens Date: 04 Nov 05 - 06:06 AM Raggytash et al: some poor guy started this thread to advertise his folk club. If you want to give an unfortunate incident in the past yet another thrashing, perhaps it could be done somewhere else? |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Andy Date: 04 Nov 05 - 06:25 AM Apologies accepted Raggytash. Also thanks to Greg Stephens for his comments about the original intent of the thread.I never realised that a simple ad. for a club could stir such responses! HOWEVER, despite all the manure that has been flying, may I reiterate. DAMIEN BARBER will still be appearing at KIVETON PARK FOLK CLUB, near Sheffield, next TUESDAY, 8th November. Come along for a good time and some great music and song. Regards Andy |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 04 Nov 05 - 06:32 AM Amen Andy, Amen. S:0) |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Jon Date: 04 Nov 05 - 06:36 AM I never realised that a simple ad. for a club could stir such responses! Welcome to Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: greg stephens Date: 04 Nov 05 - 06:54 AM Andy: they say all publicity is good publicity! let's hope you have a good night at the club. Good luck Greg |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:08 AM Jon Would you care to show me where I have condemned anyone, I cannot find such. The general picture you have of me seems to be taken from one comment, not in my or your stated opinion a very sound basis for such jugdemental statements to the effect that I am "holier than thou" Once again apologies to Andy but I cannot PM Jon to discuss this privately but I do take exception to being slated with little or no foundation |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Jon Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:19 AM Same subject, May this year, raggytash. Subject: RE: BS: Complaints versus Mudslinging You were concerned then that the individual had not recieved sufficient censure... |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:34 AM This I find strange, at no time have I mentioned any behaviour of anyone but you, who seemingly seek to promote an individual, rake up a thread that has long been archived that will achieve the exact oppostion, whilst at the same time denigrating another. Please be consistent. |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: JulieF Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:39 AM Never mind Andy They are keeping the tread at the top of the pile and, provided no one reads the threads backward , every has to read the advert before they get to the argument. J |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Andy Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:42 AM |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Andy Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:45 AM Greg, Brendan Behan said the only bad publicity is your epitaph! AND DAMIEN BARBER IS STILL COMING TO KIVETON FOLK CLUB! |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:50 AM Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:08 AM Jon Would you care to show me where I have condemned anyone, I cannot find such. --------------- Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:34 AM rake up a thread ------- You expect me to show you where without showing you where Raggytash? ------- Subject: RE: An Apology to Damien Barber From: Raggytash Date: 09 May 05 - 02:19 PM On the contrary Muppitz you were quite correct to raise the issue, violence should not be condoned or tolerated in any sphere of our society. That this occured at a folk festival which many of consider to be one of the last bastions of peaceful co-existence is unacceptable and the individual concerned should be brought to book. Had this occured in Baxtergate and brought to the attention of the Police he would have been arrested and charged and rightly so. I have read the thread you started and heard three separate eyewitness accounts of events, all of which tallied. Despite the "justification" put forward I am not convinced by the "apology" and wonder(the cynic that I am)if it is merely an attempt at damge limitation ---------- I'll leave it at that now. And hope those who go to the concert enjoy it. |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 04 Nov 05 - 08:06 AM Firstly apologies once again to Andy, this will be my last contributuion to this thread. Guest you are quite correct I did condemn Damien Barbers behaviour at the Moor & Coast and stand by what I stated above, however in my first contributuon to this thread I made no reference to it in any way, I did not seek to do that although clearly the opportunity was there, that was done by others including Jon who claims to support Damien whilst at the same time regurgitating archived threads that will only serve to damage his reputation further. Ciao, over and out |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,Jon Date: 04 Nov 05 - 08:13 AM Opps. I forgot to put my name in the last thread. As I'm here, I'm break my word and ... one last one from me. And as far as I was concerned, the damage had already been done in this thread, including a link to the original thread that Raggytash has not complained about. I felt I had little option but to drag the other quotes up to prove to Raggytash that his suggestion that I was basing my comments on just one thread where I was going by the fact he had not let go of an issue from 6 months ago. I would not have posted anything in this thread had it not been for that. |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,red max Date: 04 Nov 05 - 08:35 AM For what it's worth, I attended a Damien solo gig about a year ago and he was excellent. Had a brief chat with the guy and found him to be very friendly and approachable. He obviously let himself down very badly on the occasion discussed above, but I seem to remember he apologised. Unless someone buys him a Tardis he's presumably unable to go back and undo the damage, so let's hope most people give him another chance |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST Date: 04 Nov 05 - 12:53 PM more fun here:thread.cfm?threadid=81049#1477741 |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: DebC Date: 04 Nov 05 - 01:22 PM Deb's Disclaimer: I know Damien quite well and consider him to be a good friend. While I don't condone his behaviour last Spring at Moor and Coast, the incident was discussed, Damien had his say and I do believe it's time to move on. I think that Damien has got to be one of the finest performers in folk music today and it is through his efforts on and off stage that traditional song is reaching a wider and YOUNGER audience in the UK and on his visits to us here in the USA. Let's put an end to this once and for all and focus on the positive things Damien is doing. If one chooses not to support Damien and his music, that is their perogative. However, I do hope that if you are near Kiveton on Tuesday, that you will go and see Damien. He's well worth it. Best, Deb Cowan |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: Zany Mouse Date: 04 Nov 05 - 04:20 PM WOW - that got nasty didn't it? Just to put my oar in - KPFC is one of the best in the country. Cheap (very cheap), comfortable, low beer prices, well organised, well attended. You even get fed! Keep up the good work Andy. Rhiannon |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: Mr Happy Date: 05 Nov 05 - 08:48 AM Andy, the link addy in your 1st post doesn't work. Here's one that does: http://www.kivetonfolk.fsnet.co.uk/ |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 05 Nov 05 - 12:15 PM Hope you all enjoy Damien next week. Why is Sheffied SO far from Sidmouth? ;0) We saw Damien and the rest of The Demon Barbers at Sidmouth this year and they were absolutely fantastic! I'm very jealous of you all and am going off to listen to my 'Waxed' CD to make up for NOT seeing him next week. Have a great time! Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 06 Nov 05 - 06:00 AM Ah, that's better, back on-subject again. I concur with everything Rhiannon, Lizzie, DebC and Red Max have said - Damien's a young guy who made one daft blunder. He said he's sorry, he can't undo what's done, but he can (and I'd bet he will) make sure it doesn't happen again. Raggy, Jon - I (and I guess many others on here) wholly appreciate your views and would unequivocally uphold your right to hold a discussion, but maybe it would have been better if you'd started another thread and not hi-jacked Andy's where, after all, he's just trying to advertise a folk event at his club, not start WWIII? Andy doesn't need our approval over which artistes he books. IMHO. Kiveton Park is one of the Jewels in the S. Yorks/N. Notts/Derbyshire Folk-Crown. It's a wonderfully friendly club, run by a an incredibly enthusiatic guy, and where everyone is made very welcome indeed, and it deserves all the support it can get. S:0) |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: LesB Date: 06 Nov 05 - 08:18 AM Have a good night at Kiverton, but if you live west of the pennines there is another chance to see Damo in Southport on Sunday 20th Nov at the Bothy Folk Club Southport. Incidentally we have Donal Maguire on tonight (SUN) Cheers Les |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: Zany Mouse Date: 06 Nov 05 - 05:36 PM Refreshing this thread. It's on TUESDAY. Incidentally, Andy is so enthusiastic that I've even been to KCCFC on a Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and New Years Eve. Andy's principle is that the club will open on a Tuesday night regardless of the feast or festival. Initially I thought only sad people would attend on these evenings, especially Christmas Night but, when it came to the time, we were fed up with Christmas telly and had a great night. As to the News Years Eve bash - one of the best nights ever at the club. Keep it up, Andy. Rhiannon |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,thepharmacist Date: 07 Nov 05 - 12:16 PM I've known Damien since about 1981 (when he was just a lad) and I'm proud that he will be guesting at KPCCCFC on Tuesday 8th November, besides being a brilliant entertainer he hails from my part of the country (Norfolk) which can't be bad. I for one will not miss this. BOOTIFUL!! |
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Subject: RE: Damien Barber at Kiveton F.C From: GUEST,the pharmacist Date: 08 Nov 05 - 12:13 PM You've tried the rest now come to the best. See ya at Kiveton Park Folk Club tonight at 8.30pm (Tuesday 8th November 2005). There's floor singers, grub in the interval, free tea & coffee for non practicing alcoholics & a cheap bar for partakers of alcohol. You're always sure of a friendly welcome. Tonights special guest Damien Barber so what are you waiting for. Visit here for further info kivetonfolk@fsnet.co.uk Keep on a 'Troshing'. |
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