BS: Gary Glitter

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 08:04 AM

Paul, I was being sarcastic there.

And Janine, there's always been plenty of women who diddle little boys. And girls.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,the joy of pseudonames
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 12:40 PM

Wow. lol. Thankfully i access through siv software mudcat directory, and your ISP is the same as a named poster.

..hmmmm.. though thinly diguised with 'humour..

should that be taken to translate as

implied BNP threat tactics

typical of..


"we know how to find you and know where you live.." ?????


##################################################


Why are you afraid to be open about who you are?


why David, should i be ??..



why do you need to view the world and manipulate human interaction

in terms of

"fear" ?????????


i just think its enjoyable

to play around with the great big bumper fun bag

of internet creative anonymity..


.. but back to topic..

if Glitter is guilty, he deserves full and appropriate
punishment and treatment..

same as anyone who maliciously or misguidedly
conives to pervert the minds of vulnerable youngsters
in the promotion extreme hate politics..

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 04:03 PM

No, i just wondered why you would post under guest when you are a regular contributor anyway. I don't know your address, nor do i wish to know, there are more pressing matters in my life than your address my friend.

It just seemed odd thats all. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 07:27 PM

Mted but it is people like yourself tht perpetuates the myth, just like the people who kept the satanic abuse myth running for years.
it is painful for some people to accept the truth because many need a scapegoat for all the ills in society and god help anyone who should try and remove,lessen or confront the figures of their hate.
i noticed that you quoted some spurious canadian source that claimed 2 out of 3 reoffend after 15 years. that is hogwash , the actual numbers that ever reoffend are very low, here are the official Government figures
# NCJ-163392 (February 7, 1997), Sex Offenses and Offenders: An Analysis of Data on Rape and Sexual Assault, finds the recidivism rate of 2,214 convicted rapists released from prison was 7.7% after three years. The only category of crimes with a lower recidivism rate are those persons convicted of murder (6.8%).

# NCJ-193427 (June, 2002), Recidivism of Prisoners Released in 1994, finds the recidivism rate of 3,138 convicted rapists released from prison was 2.5% after three years. The only category of crimes with a lower recidivism rate are those persons convicted of murder (1.2%).

In April, 2001, the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction (ODRC) released a report also on the recidivism rate of released sex offenders. In Ten-Year Recidivism Follow-Up of 1989 Sex Offender Releases, Office of Policy, Bureau of Planning and Evaluation, Paul Konicek, Principle Researcher, (available at www.drc.state.oh.us), the recidivism rate of 879 sex offenders released from Ohio's prisons in 1989, after ten (10) years, was found to be 8% for new sex offenses.

The ODRC study finds its
When confronted with these facts the witchunters generally come up with the other excuse of 'well they must have had lots of other victims'   another example of how the media has brainwashed somepeople.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,BillyTheFish
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 08:05 PM

I'm not sure how we would survive in this country without child abuse. We talk about it, investigate it, analyse it, react to it, shudder from it. The whole country seems to get off on it. The people can't seem to get enough of the stuff.

There must be at least ten chat shows a week in the mainstream media roping in its viewers with salacious tales of abuse and wrongdoing. The newspapers are full of it, with lurid, captivating headlines and details of court cases and long prison sentences.

The police are now trawling all the care homes egging ex-residents to come forward with their tales and offering thousands of pounds in compensation for the best of them.

It goes on.

But, let's just take a look at who, or what, gains from child abuse.

Solicitors, judges, barristers, prison officers, probation officers, court workers, social workers, newspapers, magazines, therapists, psychiatrists, doctors, psychologists, psychoanalysts, the police force, television (soaps, discussions, drama, news) radio, CHILDREN'S CHARITIES, false accusers, fantasists, other prisoners (who like to see themselves as better) priests, counsellors, victims (fake ones), care home workers, feminists, lying women, depressives, those with dull lives, actors, politicians, civil servants and, probably, many others.

And, presumably, the child abusers themselves are getting something out of it!?

The whole of Britain is enmeshed in child abuse. It's like a murky fog that envelops the entire country and poisons the people's psyche.

It must be a turn-on though, mustn't it? After all, so many people CHOOSE to watch it, talk about it, read about it. Even in fiction, people can't get enough of it.

Films, documentaries, soaps, news and chat shows, just can't get away from it. And they wouldn't do it if it didn't ATTRACT high viewing figures.

And ATTRACT just about says it all.

When people find something truly disgusting they flee from it. They don't seek it out and salivate over it.

The nation just loves it, and the millions (literally) of 'professionals' who also love it, and benefit hugely from it all, well, what would they do without it? How would they earn their money or justify their existence? And how would the big charities earn their money? What would happen to their jobs?

Unless they all continually scare us and the children, and pump up the hysteria, how do they get their money?

And what else would the media talk about to fill in the gaps?

Well, there's always sexual harassment, sexual assault and rape, I suppose.

But then they already do that in the UK.

Perhaps, we should take a tip from our American cousins and seek fresh ventures. Over a million of them actually believe that they have been sexually abused by aliens in spaceships. And some have even tried to claim compensation from 'abusers' who are currently alive, and innocent of everything today, but who, apparently, abused them in previous lives!

Now, that might be fun.

And it would make a welcome change

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: *daylia*
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 07:21 AM

Hear hear, Billy the Fish! I really like your aliens idea. Here here, Spock!

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: M.Ted
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 01:08 AM

I find it extremely interesting that an GUEST, an anonymous poster, should go to the trouble of citing sources--especially since the website that cites those sources particular sources is here Why Megan's Laws are Unconstitutional for those of you who don't click the link, it is an article advising prisoners on ways to avoid being classified as sexual predators.

My feeling is that you, and perhaps some of the others who are posting here may have a special interest that you haven't really owned up to. Rather than quote statistics, I will simply post this link Blog of Joseph E. Duncan and this Convicted sex offender faces two kidnapping counts and remind you that the little girl he raped, her little brother, who he murdered had civil rights, too--

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 09:32 AM

surely any mature sane adult accepts by default that paedophiles
are sick and need treatment..[and serious punishment when convicted]

however, its now becoming very difficult to raise a rational voice of concern
regarding the demonising cultural/institutional/media hysteria
dominating this extremely problematic social issue..

especially when the

"if you dont unconditionly agree with what I say,
then you must be a closet paedo !!!"

mentality becomes alarmingly the 'norm' of debate

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: M.Ted
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 11:49 AM

The predominant view expressed here seems that the issue has been overblown by media hysteria and is not really very important.

The reality is that there is a lot of child abuse, both physical and sexual, out there. Despite what some seem to think, there is not a lot of money for treatment of victims, there are few resources for intervention, and there is little money for, and little interest in prevention.

The interest level goes down even lower when the issue is treating offenders--GUEST, 9:32 am
demonstrates the ambivalence of society well by saying "surely any mature sane adult accepts by default that paedophiles are sick and need treatment..[and serious punishment when convicted]"--

And GUEST 7:27pm, who, seems to be an advocate for convicted offenders, is frustrated and angry because offenders who have been convicted and served their time are permanently branded as"Sexual Predators" by the courts in order to placate a society that has become hysterical over the issue.

(I wish that he would re-read what I had said carefully--the high recidivism rate that I mentioned was specifically for serial child sexual predators--the individuals who victimize large numbers of children over time--yes, they are a small percentage of the individuals who are convicted of sexual offenses, but over time, they seem to have a strong tendency to continue their behaviors--and yes, not all sexual offenders are child predators, and yes, the sexual offenders who are not child predators have a fairly low rate of recidivism, at least for sexual crimes, though many are returned to prison for parole violations)--

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 01:45 PM

well here are one or two facts that show how ludicrous your argument is mted. approx 2000 kids are killed by firearms each year in the USA~
approx 5000 kids are murdered by parents or siblings in the Usa each year' but less than 50 are killed by strangers each year in the USA.
according to these facts it is far safer for a child away from home so why dont we have an online database of parents? they are far more dangerous to children, and hey while we are at it why not have a online register of gun owners as they kill 40 times more kids than sex abusers, out of a population of 300 million. any child death is bad but a country with so much gun death should ban the bloody things, instead of facing the real problems its easier to find scapegoats

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,09:32 AM
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:03 PM

the problem here seems to be agreeing on maintaining an appropriate level of serious awareness of the true extent of paedophile abuse..

while not succumbing to irrational widespread over-hysteria..

which only distracts from the key issues..

and serves the interests of individuals and groups
who thrive on simplistic manipulation
of mass emotions..

and have their own cynical agendas for creating social demons
and scapegoats..

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,parent
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:15 PM

I have no interest in the statistics on reoffending or otherwise.
I have an interest in my childrens' welfare. I am also not hysterical.

Once an adult has abused a child he/she in my mind loses all rights to protection. They prey on children because they think they are cleverer and therefore more powerful than their victim.

I don't believe in capital punishment but would quite willingly volunteer to brand every sex offender on the forehead with the words SEX OFFENDER. I realise they would need a very wide forehead. Do I think that is over the top? No, I think their possible victims should be warned of their tendencies in a way that they (the victims) will recognise.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:20 PM

Is your forehead wide enough to take the words Gullible buffoon?oh well i guess not but maybe they could shave your head and tattoo it all the way round

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,parent
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:31 PM

Gullible buffoon? Some folk on this thread have a perverse attitude to protecting minors. At the end of the day as parents we do what we feel is right. My conscience is clear. If adults wish to get their sexual kicks from kids, the kids are entitled to know who they are.

I would allow a released offender who is undergoing counselling to have one letter lasered off as every year of successful therapy and rehab passes. Then again, maybe I wouldn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,BTW Mted
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:31 PM

Mted you have some curious surfing habits or dubious to say the leastbut your accusation of my getting statistics from that website are totally untrue, i got them from the official Ohio state site statistics here:http://www.drc.state.oh.us/web/Reports/Ten_Year_Recidivism.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:38 PM

guest parent you clearly are ignoring the facts so there is no point in my continuing arguing with you, I dont feel sorry for these people any mmore than i do any other criminal but i refuse to be brainwashed and manipulated in my thinking by commercial interests and government for their own gain. the most startling statistic to mme is the less than 50   stranger child murders each year, outof 300 million that is tiny, esp compared to the 5000 child murders by immediate relatives, someone needs to do a serious expose on this but of course commercial interests will shoutdown any truthseekers, it has remarkable similarities to the pendle witch hunts in england

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:42 PM

Child murders? It is common knowledge that most are commited by family. I am advocating branding child sex offenders. Child murderers I wouldn't release back into society.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:51 PM

Oh I see so you would brand the 85% of sex offenders who are the childs parents or siblings? sounds like a double punishment for the child to me, not only has she been indecently assaulted but her dads gotta wander round with a big tattoo on his head,it will make the weekly outing to the burger bar real fun

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: M.Ted
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:58 PM

And what is my arguement, GUEST 1:45pm? The most extreme abuses, like most extremes of everything, are rarer, but are painfully real--the abduction of Carlie Bruscia and her rape and murder are very real to many Americans, we saw the abduction on television--the more brutal a crime, the wider the circle of people who know of it, and are affected by it.

I guess you could say   50,000 people a year are killed in traffic accidents, and 400,000 die of lung cancer, so why were we so upset about terrorism, when only 2,600 or so Americans were killed on 9/11, and a lot fewer in each of the subsequent years--but it isn't just about numbers--

Personally, I work for a child-abuse prevention organization, I see statistics, studies, and government reports on this every day, and I also see victim's accounts, so this isn't just an excercise in argumentation for me--

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 03:48 PM

Well good luck in your job but as a freethinking individual i feel that I have the right to express an opinion when i can see glaringover reactions to something that is a very tiny minority of all reported crime against children, and an even more miniscule amount of all total recorded crime, BUT IT SELLS, Newspapers . tv documentaries, Tv series, social workers, police funding,call charges from people wishing to find out about local sex offenders and most of all The childrens charities, in my country the myth is beginning to be exposed and lots of false allegations have been coming to light, quite a few cases where men have been locked away for years after being charged with childrens homes abuse where they worked as carers, these false allegations netted in a lot of money in compensation for the 'victims' and of course the solicitors and newspapers had a field day. there is something very odd though about this, and that is that even though these men have been finally proved not guilty of the offences after having their lives ruined, and that it doesnt seem to attract the same media attention that a claim of sexual abuse does and those poor men are left to try and pick up the remnants of a shattered life after years in jail, hey and guess what,,,,,,,,,,,,, the people who made the false claims in the first place and got the compendsation cant be touched, many commit suicide of course after losing their fammily, home and work and it sickens me that this can be allowed to happen in a civilised world...
Only today six people were released after spending a few years in Outreau France,,,, they were vi9ctims of an a so called paedophile ring prosecution, the case when it was tried was absurd but the media carried it through, there were seven originally but one commited suicide in jail.
Now that the satanic abuse and the bogeymman myths are gradually being exposed the childrens charities have found a new banner BULLYING OMG School BULLYING! they got all kinds of hotlines and police reporting systems if u are getting bullied at school,
Until we realise that these so called moral guardians are merely parasites we wont move on

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 04:22 PM

Oh I see so you would brand the 85% of sex offenders who are the childs parents or siblings? sounds like a double punishment for the child to me, not only has she been indecently assaulted but her dads gotta wander round with a big tattoo on his head,it will make the weekly outing to the burger bar real fun

If a childs father sexually abuses her/him I think he kind of gives up his rights to getting in the nuggets.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: M.Ted
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 04:43 PM

If anyone is over-reacting, it is you, GUEST--you're as bad as the people that you complain about.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 05:15 PM

very sorry to hear abot the carol bruschia case, there are many cases of child murder each week but the predator ones are the ones that the media hideously exploits for profit, here is a video you maynot see in america, it is not for the fainthearted but it might help you get things into perspective Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 05:30 PM

yes I do because america is sick, theyy create bogeymen then i=gnorethe reality of real 'child abuse like thiFallujah - The Hidden Massacre
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Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 05:35 PM

hMM THE LINK DOESNT WORK ON THIS THREAD, I SUPPOSE THE bUSH BOYS WOULD BLOCK THIS ONE ANYWAY

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 06:03 PM

ok sorry last attempt http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallujah_ING.wmv

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 11:10 AM

just suppose they are werewolves and hair grows over the tattoos saying I am a sex offender. I feel we need to be prepared for these problems and anticipate them.

Great idea, though. Those bastards who don't bring library books back, and what about an I FART IN LIFTS tattoo.

The man who thought this one up is clearly a genius.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: zak
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 11:21 AM

Those men are indeed evil and i do believe as you say that they have lycanthropic abilities, we should boil them in acid and any remnants of bone that remain should be crushed and powdered then sent into space in a rocket clearly marked PEDO

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 02:13 PM

Ringo Starr's kid....?

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,l'il tweety paedo paranoia
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 10:29 PM

TWEETY:

I taut I taw a paedophile a creepin' up on me
I did! I taw a paedophile as plain as he could be!

That paedophile is very bad, he sneaks up from behind
I don't think I would like it if I knew what's on his mind
I have a strong suspicion that his plans for me aren't good
I am inclined to think that he would *@$? me if he could


SYLVESTER:

I am that great big bad old paedo, Sylvester is my name
I only have one aim in life and that is very plain
I want to catch that little bird and *@$? him right away
But just as I get close to him, this is what he'll say


TWEETY:

I taut I taw a paedophile a creepin' up on me
I did! I taw a paedophile as plain as he could be!

That paedophile is very bad, he sneaks up from behind
I don't think I would like it if I knew what's on his mind
I have a strong suspicion that his plans for me aren't good
I am inclined to think that he would *@$? me if he could



Yep.. they're everywhere !!!!!


BEWARE.. BEWARE !!!!!!..

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,rural mob justice
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 01:35 AM

Where be thit Paedo to?
I know where he'll be,
He'll be up yon Wurzel tree,
Cuz I be after he!
Now I sees he, And he sees I,
Bugger'd if I don't get 'im
Wit a gurt big rope I'll string 'im up
Paedo, I'll 'ave thee!


La la la la la la
La la la la la la

Lynch a Paedo!
(Audience Answer) Allright!

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 04:31 AM

I think we're entering the realms of fantasy here.....

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 06:02 AM

ive just rehojned this convo. are we now making light of children suffering abuse?

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 08:59 AM

I believe Latin is still on the syllabus in some schools

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,paedo basher baiter
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 11:16 AM

"are we now making light of children suffering abuse?"


I'd sincerely hope the answer from all of us is..


"OF COURSE NOT, NEVER !"


..child abuse is an all too deadly serious issue..

Paedophiles are sick 'wicked' individuals
who need preventative treatment,
and punishment if found guilty of child abuse.


however mass media fueled reactinary irrational paranoid cretinous vicious mob vigilante culture

deserves to be ridiculed by any means..

whether by sarcasm & satire, crude or sophisticated..

its all fair game..


..when social reason & objectivity is eroded and violated

by cynical and manipulative right wing agendas.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 12:16 PM

yes. every agenda is a right-wing agenda ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 05:37 PM

Thank goodness the media has brought the problem of child sexual abuse to light. If they hadn't, many children would still be suffering in silence. Its because the issue has become public information that parents and the general public are more aware.

...and yes, guest, most child sexual abuse is committed by family members or friends of the family, which makes it even more important that children are encouraged to tell someone they trust. When abuse is committed by a family member, it is more difficult for the child to come forward.

What is it, guest and zak, that makes you think that this crime should be kept secret?

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 07:16 AM

Right on the button d.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,singalongaGuest
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 11:40 AM

"What is it, guest and zak, that makes you think that this crime should be kept secret?"

could you please be more specific..

which guest are you refering to..

.. and apparently 'implying' may possibly be a depraved undercover paedo..


I'm the 'comedy song' folkie guest.. i detest paedo's



I certainly want the public to be aware of any real threat paedos pose
to children..

[but at the same time would prefere them to voluntarily accept treatment,
without being driven underground and into hiding,
and off the radar scope of mental health and police agencies]

Of course communities need to be kept informed of local potential threats
to their children..

..but in a more rational and objective form of media reporting;

with less emphasis on cynical manipulative scaremongering propaganda..

and the whipped up fury of ignorant ill-informed mass vigilante 'hate' mobs..

The problems of paranoid suspicion, violence and disorder with which they can infect decent society..

[..resulting from profiteering irresponsible and ideologicaly motivated
media self interests..]

..are too high a cost and not acceptable in a supposedly civilised culture.




clear enough.. ???

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,parent
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 12:05 PM

Of course communities need to be kept informed of local potential threats
to their children.

And that is the problem. Once released their identity is NOT KNOWN to communities. They are rehoused next to you and me without our knowledge. And voluntarily accepting treatment helps who exactly? It helps the ones who wish to fly under the radar and not seek help.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,11:40 AM
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 12:29 PM

ok..

'preferably'..

ideal world scenario..

paedos volunteer to commitment for treatment..

local community is aware of them and calmly tolerates their existence
if they stay away from children..


But..


real flawed world scenario..

health/social and police authorities need more realistic and pragmatic
powers to persuade paedos that 'voluntary' lifetime treatment is the best & safest option
if they want to survive living in a community
where key law/social/youth/church officials have been provided with their names & addresses......

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,parent
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 01:04 PM

I live in a city of approx 10 million people. How many released sex offenders would you hazard a guess also live here?

Under the data protection act (amongst others) the professionals who know their names and addresses know them in confidentiality. They are not passed around like idle gossip. The community is NOT aware of who they are. The children that live on their streets are NOT aware of who they are.

You mentioned church/social and youth services being privy to the information. As they are historically the three most notorious breeding grounds for child sexual abuse am I meant to feel safer that they know who the sex offenders are?

If a dog bites a child there is more outcry than there is over paedophilia. The dog is invariably put down. Other dangerous breeds are banned or muzzled. We protect our children against potentially dangerous animals, but potentially dangerous humans have the right to live next door to us and remain unknown to us.

I'm sorry but there is something inherently wrong with that. Sentences should be longer and treatment should be compulsory, release should be dependant upon psychiatric reports and identities should be known. If someone feels as though their 'rights' have been infringed by having these conditions imposed on them, then there is a very easy way to avoid them. Stay away from children. If they can't manage that then prison is the best place.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,01:04 PM
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 01:36 PM

ok, add 'neighbourhood watch' organizers, etc to list of community leaders
privvy to paedo ID info..

the point is, one formal/informal way or another..

you should know if a confirmed paedo lives next door..

.. just dont persecute [or try not to beat the shit out of] him unless
you know for certain he's been up to anything involving children

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,GUEST,11:40 AM
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 02:00 PM

oops.. cut'n'paste error..

that should have been GUEST,11:40 AM


my reason for joining in here
[my soapbox issue]
is that
people shoud resist jumping to the wrong conclusion
that anyone who is concerned by corporate media fueled
mass vigelante paedo paranoia/over-reaction,
poisoning modern 'civilized' society,

is therfore pro paedo 'rights' or even worse 'one of 'em'!!!!???!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,parent
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 03:17 PM

ok, add 'neighbourhood watch' organizers, etc to list of community leaders
privvy to paedo ID info..

the point is, one formal/informal way or another..

you should know if a confirmed paedo lives next door..

.. just dont persecute [or try not to beat the shit out of] him unless
you know for certain he's been up to anything involving children

That is even more shocking! Less than 50% of the UK has neighbourhood watch schemes. There has to be a certain amount of interest in it to be set up locally. In highly populated inner city areas with transient populations the rate is far lower. They may work great in smaller areas though.

I didnt realise they had access to criminal records, are you sure about that? The man who came knocking on my door asking if we were interested in setting one up, (with himself being in charge) has recently been divorced by his wife for years of domestic violence. I wouldn't trust him with any data protected information. He IS the local vigilante.

And the only way to make sure the wrong people aren't targetted and 'beat up', is to ensure that the right people are identified. Easy really, no confusion then. We are so concerned about the rights of the convicted offender we have lost sight of the rights of the children to protection. Like I said we are quicker to protect them from dog bites.

Once they are released from prison they are free to offend again unchallenged. And forget about the recommendation that they are rehoused nowhere near a school. There is no area in my city that is nowhere near a school. The latest one to hit our local headlines was actually rehoused in a third floor flat overlooking an early years 0-5 yrs nursery. His flat looked directly into their playground. When his whereabouts became known he was moved to an area three miles away and on the same street as a primary school.

If the judicial system can't rehab them, and the police can't monitor them, then I am afraid even Mars is too close for comfort.

We are not going to agree and we are going around in circles now. I am of the belief that they should have zero rights to anonymity. They have foregone them to get their sexual kicks.

I only know of one, as stated above, in our locale, but he is certainly not alone. Which negates your argument that by one means or another we should know where they are living. The truth is we don't. In a city of approx ten million according to your reasoning he is the only one, because we know about him?

I can see your point about the wrong person being attacked by a hate mob, and the reason this can happen at present is because their identities are kept secret. Do away with anonymity and those who deserve to watch their backs as they walk the streets will be the only ones living under that pressure. I don't advocate or condone violence, but if I were to see a known convicted child sex offender getting a kicking I am honest enough to say I would walk by and cross the road.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 04:41 AM

The verdict is out - guilty
Gary Glitter found guilty

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 05:07 AM

On the argument that people should be told about paedophiles living in their neighbourhoods. People seem to be unaware that the main reason for not releasing such information is not to protect the rights of the abuser per se, but rather to make children safer. At the moment, most released sex offenders have their whereabouts known by the police, so if there are any attacks, they know they would be the first port of call. Once that info is released to the general public, the offender is invariably hounded from their home and they move without informing the police where they are going. So then, you still have paedophiles living near you, but neither you nor the police know where they are.

Bagpuss

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 05:14 AM

Subject: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 07:11 PM

5 dollar prostitute under the age of consent - potential for statutory rape sentence to be firing squad?

Something a bit screwy here?

Only thing screwy is that the beast is still alive. Those poor kids. Poverty is a killer!

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: alanabit
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 06:04 AM

Indeed poverty is a killer. How much easier to kill an ageing sexual misfit than it is to eradicate poverty.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 06:30 AM

and who said we shouldn't aim to kill both?

Ageing misfit? I hope you are not trying to provoke some sort of defence of this monster?