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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 16 Dec 05 - 06:56 PM Dear "Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 16 Dec 05 - 04:53 AM" Your use, misuse and abuse of the comma needs serious work. You are a wanker. CarolC is so far above you intellectually that you can't see her from where you are. Give it up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 16 Dec 05 - 04:53 AM Carol C your ivory tower dominion has been devoured, you need good service or else your cavity will explode with the unfullfillment it so richly deserves, FOR SHAME MADAM, FOR SHAME |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Dec 05 - 06:51 PM "There's glory for you!" "I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!' " "But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:20 PM Yes she does you twisted twittle, she, she, she. Now be CLEAR. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,rarelamb Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:14 PM "Arsehole" You see I could take this in a negative fashion but i'll bet the author really means "swell guy". :) LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:14 PM Make yourself CLEAR, rarebit, make yourself CLEARRRRRRRRRRRRR. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,rarelamb Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:12 PM Ah.. now into a discussion about stereotypes. The fact is that you can isolate populations based upon demographics. And yes, you can lump large groups of people including the black population. I will bet anyone $12321354173459730945 dollars that in the next presidential election teh democratic candidate will receive over 75% of the black vote. You can and do stereotype whether you like it or not. So long as man is a rational animal he will continue to try to make sense of his environment. The question is not whether or not to stereotype as this is inevitable but rather being rational enough to know the value of that stereotype. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:09 PM Zelger is one of the lost boyz. No one likes him in real life. Even his friendz. He is a racist. Probly joinz gangz so he can beat up someone weaker than him. That just bogglez ones mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: Azizi Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:05 PM I pray and work for the time when race and creed and skin color and religion and all other things that divide humans become valueless descriptors. Unfortunately, that time has not arrived in any nation that I know of. **** I also want to say that I take great exception to zelger's comment that "'niggaz' is a commonly used term used by black folk.", and that he was "making usage of black-slang. They make inter-community references to each other as 'niggaz'" As a Black female {African American}I want to remind zelger {and others who need such reminding}that the term "Black folk" implies that there is a one group of people who are "Black" . His comment also implies that everyone in this homogeneous group thinks alike, speaks alike, and acts alike {not to mention that everyone in this "Black folk" group has the same nationality and has the same ancestral background within that nation}. I hope that it is obvious that this is not true. With regard to the "n-word", I hope that zelger and others know that a large number of Black people vehemently disapprove of and do not use the "niggaz" term. I am one of them. Zelger would be much more correct if he said that "niggaz" is a hip-hop cultural term. However, not all people who are "in to" hip-hop music use or approve of the use of that referent. However, I do agree that some Black people who use that "n-word" {spelled "niggaz" or other wise} have different reactions to its use dependent on where, when, and who uses it. However, my main point is that it is my not at all humble opinion that it is wrong to lump all people into one homogenous mass and make statements describing those people {either as an outsider or a member of that group}. And one more thing-I strongly believe that the referent "White folk" is just as wrong [minded], and inaccurate as the term "Black folk"... That said, I don't think that zelger meant to make a racist statement, or at least I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he didn't meant to do so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:01 PM If you really believe that bullshit rarelamb, go use the word in a 'Black' bar. Or use a term of similar 'worth' in an Asian bar. G'head. Arsehole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:59 PM You are not CLEAR, rarelamb. NOT CLEAR at all. Clear. Make yourself CLEAR. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,rarelamb Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:56 PM This was his meaning: "Carol, here is the third possibility that really didn't need explanation. I was making usage of black-slang. They make inter-community references to each other as 'niggaz', thats it! That really it! Black folk don't hold rights to this slang, so why can't i use it!" Can we leave it at that? Or does it have to be nefarious? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: CarolC Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:51 PM If your intention behind using the word "niggaz" is to not offend, and you offend by using it, maybe you need to rethink whether or not your intent is being served by the use of that word. If your intention is to offend, then you cannot claim that you do not intend to offend when you use that word. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,rarelamb Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:44 PM I tried to stay away but I fear the topic has fundamentally changed. Carol has now made the issue about language and meaning. I think the problem is that many on the left confuse words for meaning. The meaning is important not the words. You can change the words all you want the meaning is the point. It was accurately pointed out that nigger/z is meant by different people to mean different things. Think of the evolution of what we call black people. It doesn't matter whether you call someone negro, black, african american or even nigger. What matters is the intention behind the words. If you want to change what is 'acceptable' to call someone feel free. It will not change the meaning. All you have done is created an artificial impediment to positive race relations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:26 PM I think zelger is very clear. Unfortunately. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:20 PM zCeLlEgAeRr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:17 PM Try to be CLEAR zelger. You are not CLEAR. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: CarolC Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:08 PM Nope. Not my problem. It's your problem. How you are perceived by the majority of people who read and/or hear your words has no effect on me whatever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: zelger Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:02 PM Thats your problem. You are obviously against freedom of speech and it is clear i did not mean it in a negative way. You are a tyrant |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: CarolC Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:59 PM so why can't i use it You can. But as I said, when you do, you will look like you are doing one or the other of the two things I mentioned. Personally, I can't see any constructive reason for you to use such language. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: zelger Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:51 PM couldn't be any more clearer. Except to imbreds like GUEST. You are mind-numbingly stupid it beggars belief. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: zelger Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:50 PM Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: zelger - PM Date: 14 Dec 05 - 12:19 PM establishment get-outs like 'poverty' 'unemployment' is a get-out clause. 'niggaz' is a term i watched last night on fresh prince of belair. 'niggaz' is a term used on countless r'n'b albums i have! 'niggaz' is a commonly used term used by black folk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: zelger Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:48 PM I second that. its like in america when blacks riot because some copper beat the shit out of one of their 'niggaz'? and they riot. then you get some liberal wet-freak saying the riots are understandable. If blacks riot, crack down on them, if whites riot crack down on them. but dont fabricate excuses for one and not the other. there are no excuses For the person who needs it clearer, obviously thick as shit. Here it is. Carol, here is the third possibility that really didn't need explanation. I was making usage of black-slang. They make inter-community references to each other as 'niggaz', thats it! That really it! Black folk don't hold rights to this slang, so why can't i use it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:43 PM Did they diminish your intelligence when they shaved your head, zelger? Make yourself C L E A R. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: CarolC Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:39 PM Unfortunately for you, zelger, when you use terms like that in the way you did, you are going to look like you are doing either one or the other of the two things I mentioned. I don't know what a third possibility might be, but if there is one, it won't be very apparent to most people who read and/or hear your words. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:39 PM Zelger, try to make yourself clear. You are not clear. Not at all CLEAR. Get it? NOT CLEAR. BE CLEAR. Today would be good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: zelger Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:34 PM Ok. I was just trying to determine whether or not your use of that term was as a show of solidarity with your brothers and sisters of color, or if your use of it was more as a form of ridicule and/or disparagement against people you see as being qualitatively different from yourself. Neither. if you were able to read my post correctly, you'd understand that. Obviously not! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,On looker Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:30 PM Ribble is a racist. He needs understanding and sympathy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: CarolC Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:25 PM Words mean things, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,rarelamb Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:57 AM Wow this thread has taken a turn for the worst. Watch out for in the next life the mighty Drop Bear will take vengence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:49 AM Frig-wart hell blast ya fathers guineapig arsehole with tender streams of let wing fork-fisting - FOR SHAME SIR, FOR SHAME!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:49 AM Likely the only tits you evah sucked were your mamas. Poor little baby, all afraid in a world you don't understand. Limpdick arent you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:47 AM Too close to home limpwrist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:45 AM Go fuck yaself guest, if you cant handle words then back to the cosy cosy nicely nicley hive of limp wristed liberalism. SUCK YA MOTHERS AMPLE BREASTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:34 AM In the spirt of the season, you are one stunned stupid fuck, Ribble. Was your dad's name D.Ribble? Maybe not. Would have been better for the world if you had done that down his leg. Just words, Ribble. Just words. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: Terry K Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:26 AM "If the authorities fail to act effectively, then it's time to add Australia to the list of countries that talks a good game about democracy but which lacks the guts to put its resources where its mouth is". Do you mean the people of Australia or only the Government? I don't ever recall any hype about the ordinary people claiming to be immune from life's realities. Australia has always had problems with its immigrants - when I lived there in the 60s the Greeks and Italians copped for all the prejudice because their standards and culture were different from those of the indigents. The Government's response to those problems was to welcome immigrants from even more differing standards and cultures, such as from Lebanon and other middle eastern countries. Now they are courting the Chinese and Vietnamese. The population of Australia has about doubled in the last 35 years and I'm not really surprised that there would be some sort of backlash. Why is everybody wondering why this happens? - are we so naive as to not have noticed that wherever in the world people have been forced to co-exist without option there have inevitably been problems. I don't say it's right, just that it is so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,Ribble Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:16 AM Its just a word for fucks sake Carol, don't get offended by a word, Why is everyone so easy to be offended these days, ya spend ya whold day trawling this site to get uppity bout something. P.S NIGGER, WHITE TRASH, CHINK, FROG who gives a flying fuck |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: CarolC Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:08 AM "Are you Black, zelger?" In answer to your irrelevant question: No. Ok. I was just trying to determine whether or not your use of that term was as a show of solidarity with your brothers and sisters of color, or if your use of it was more as a form of ridicule and/or disparagement against people you see as being qualitatively different from yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,rarelamb Date: 15 Dec 05 - 10:22 AM boy o boy? or Yowsers? or GeeWhiz? I think everyone should just chill a little :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 09:35 AM It does mean understanding the conditions that allow crime to flourish, and even allow it to be celebrated and applauded. What does that mean, celebrated and applauded? In what context? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: Peace Date: 14 Dec 05 - 06:28 PM "Boy, I was just trying to add a little levity to these dour serious dicussions..." Who you callin' 'boy'? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,John Hernandez Date: 14 Dec 05 - 02:18 PM I am all in favor of punishing the wrong doers regardless of color, ethnicity, religion, etc. But I also insist that justice be even handed and intelligent. Intelligent does not mean excusing or turning a blind eye to crime. It does mean understanding the conditions that allow crime to flourish, and even allow it to be celebrated and applauded. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: zelger Date: 14 Dec 05 - 01:50 PM Are you Black, zelger? In answer to your irrelevant question: No. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,rarelamb Date: 14 Dec 05 - 12:49 PM Boy, I was just trying to add a little levity to these dour serious dicussions... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: Piers Date: 14 Dec 05 - 12:46 PM Drop bear: Australian tree-dwelling marsupial, found mostly in bushland areas, but also known to live in inner-city parks. The drop bear is characterised by it's unusual defense mechanism - when the male senses danger, the drop bear glides or 'drops' down from it's perch and uses it's powerful hind spur to barb the enemy's eyes. Sounds like a troll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,rarelamb Date: 14 Dec 05 - 12:44 PM Hey instead of calling each other names why don't we face the facts. Drop bears are an immenent threat to civilization. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST Date: 14 Dec 05 - 12:31 PM The racists float to the top, just like turds. Hi, rarelamb. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: zelger Date: 14 Dec 05 - 12:31 PM awesome |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: GUEST,rarelamb Date: 14 Dec 05 - 12:29 PM are you a drop bear Carol? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Riots in Australia From: CarolC Date: 14 Dec 05 - 12:23 PM Are you Black, zelger? |
