BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape

Subject: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:24 AM

In a bold move to fight the McCain anti torture bill, Dick Cheney has singled out certain McCain provisions that would harm the security of the United States. Anal rape of terrorists is apparently one of those.
Wow, now it is our patriotic duty to analy rape in the name of our Commander and Chief and security of our country.

McCain is hoping to bring US policy back towards the Geneva Convention. The Cheney argument that we need every means possible to fight terrorism always poses the question "What if there is a ticking nuke and the only way to get the terrorist to talk is to torure, rape, force feed pig testicles etc."

It kind of gives a new meaning to sacrifice and patriotic duty. Imagine our brave boys and girls raping in the name of our Commander and Chief. Of course Dick and Goerge can always say "We" don't torture and rape! It depends upon what the meaning of "we" is.

Bush is totally ambiguous when he says we will not stop until there is total VICTORY! I knew what Hitler meant when he called for total war, but what the heck is total victory?

Ya gotta hand it to Cheney for being bold and unambiguous in his support for torture or his statements that deficits don't matter.
Bush has borrowed more money -- $1.05 trillion -- from foreign governments and banks since taking office than all other presidents combined. From 1776 to 2000, the nation's first 42 presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign interests, official statistics show. In just five years, Bush has out-borrowed them all.
Maybe now he can out rape them all.

In for a penny, in for a pound. When politicians take such an intractable stand, it is perhaps a dirty trick to point out the complete absurdity of their position. Like the time Republicans had to vote down the 2nd Ammendment when Democrats added it to a bill that was certain to fail in the Republican house.

Still it is an eye opener to realize that in Dick Cheney's America, there is now such a thing as actual legal patriotic rape, and not just the virtual rape of our civil rights, the middle class and the poor.

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: GUEST,Bismark
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:45 AM

Those who seek "total victory" will find it to be a very temporary phenomenon...and they will very soon find themselves confronted with a new enemy, and another after that. Total victory is a will o' the wisp, a chimera. Fools seek it. They find, in the end, their own demise, for the simple reason that their chosen way of being is to be at war, not to live in peace. When they meet their own end, they are mourned by few.

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 12:39 PM

Another stated goal is to 'fight terror'. What does that mean? Terror is what happens when a fight occurs. (Frankly, I think the president says 'terror' because he can't pronounce 'terrorism.') The concept of fighting 'Terrorism' I understand but even that can only be finally accomplished when the reasons or rationale for terrorism are taken away or when they become counter productive. I don't see that happening.

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: GUEST,Whistle Stop
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:25 PM

It is more than a little disingenuous for Bush et al. to claim to be fighting terror, and then try to carve out an exemption that would allow their surrogates to use torture as one of their weapons in the fight. I think most people, if asked, would agree that torture IS terrorism. And, to paraphrase Bush, you're either for it or against it.

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:27 PM

You're right Bismark
Napolean was a man who cheished total victory.

Ebbie, At least he can pronounce misunderestimate.

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 01:56 PM

If the Iraq war is indeed a pre emptive war, is this sanctioned rape indeed a pre emptive rape?

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: artbrooks
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 02:01 PM

Please provide the source of the alleged quotation What if there is a ticking nuke and the only way to get the terrorist to talk is to torure, rape, force feed pig testicles etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Dec 05 - 08:40 PM

art you're just tryin' to spoil their fun! Don't put a crimp in Hakman's fervid imagination or he may get a hole in his tinfoil chapeau.

Hakman do you spell it aluminum or aluminium?

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 12:45 AM

Given the title of this thread, I thought that the first post would be:
Dick Cheney before he dicks you!

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: Barry Finn
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 02:37 AM

Nice for a bumper sticker, Seamus.


Anal Rape, would be the proper term for for our governments course (ouch!) of action. They're torturing innocents from the mid east & at home they've been sticking it up our asses, without even tossing us a goodnight kiss, the bastards. Justice must mean 'just us' & fuck the rest.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 08:49 AM

The "torture to counter a nuke explosion" argument is so ubiquitous inside the beltway that it can be attributed to every single person who has intelligently discussed the topic on either side of the issue.
If you go down that path you then have to accept every abomination that torture has to offer to every man woman and child no matter what the scenario. The slippery slope is slick with blood.

Bumper sticker on my car:

(yellow ribbon) support our torture?

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 12:28 PM

Do nuclear weapons tick? Isn't that rather like talking about "the fuse having been lit"?
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As Donuel points out, if this kind of hypothetical greater good argument can justify torture, it can justify absolutely anything. There are people who believe it does. They should be recognised as being terrorists, wherever and whoever they are. It seems fairly clear that Cheney falls into this camp.

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 12:49 PM

Who would be more knowledgeable about anal rape than a complete asshole like the Veep?

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 01:16 PM

To put in perspective just how out there and crazed Dick Cheney has become, EVEN the extreme neocon Richard Pearle said "I do not even know who Dick Chemey is anymore".

Subject: RE: BS: Dick Cheney and anal rape
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 02:17 PM

I guess no one knows who Chemey is...
Seriously R. Pearle said he did not know who Dick Cheney was anymore.