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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Peace Date: 01 Jan 06 - 06:46 PM My concern for the US is that NEITHER of the major political parties have a plan. I think the folks in office now are taking very good care of their friends in business--but not taking care of US citizens. So please pardon me if I say I think they are bastards both. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,guest Date: 01 Jan 06 - 07:04 PM Amos, don't have the time to verify the use of 'Doh'. Maybe later. However I forgot to bring up one point that I read in a post of yours -01 Jan 06-12:59 AM and I quote; Lewis continues "The Executive Order takes us back to the dark past when our Government spied on cil rights leaders and Vietnam War protesters." He wasn't doing a direct comparison to that Executive Order, was he?The Civil rights stuff in the 50s and early 60s, we left Vietnam in 1975 and the Executive Order was signed in 1979. A little confusing, don't you think? And he had to know that the issuer of the order and that all the Presidents since have used it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Peace Date: 01 Jan 06 - 07:06 PM "Amos, don't have the time to verify the use of 'Doh'. Maybe later." That is very rude, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Bobert Date: 01 Jan 06 - 08:11 PM No, GUEST, 10:22 am, Mr Clifford ain't no anarchist and will be paying more for his meds under the new Bush perscription drug plan... $64 a month compared to $15 a month... This is just another reason why Bush should be impeached... He is stealinf from the working class and giving it to the pharacudiacl companies, who BTW, pumped in millions and millions into Bush's campaign... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,Buzz Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:49 AM Bobert: Numbers time again. You have a firm grasp on Mr Clifford's numbers so don't try to claim numbers don't matter on this one. How many millions did drug companys donate to Bush and how many did they donate to Kery? You have to have knowledge if such things before you can imply that Bush is helping out drug companys. Otherwise you are pissing up a rope. By the way I don't know the answer myself but judging by other industries, they donate about equally to both parties. But I could be way wrong and you could score a big win on this one. Or you could loose and try to CYA by claiming Kerry would have accepted the money and done noting for the drug companys. Either way I might stimulate you into using facts to support your opinions and I am willing to loose to accomplish that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Peace Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:55 AM '"I can only speak to myself." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005' The man is amazing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Peace Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:58 AM '"We look forward to analyzing and working with legislation that will make — it would hope — put a free press's mind at ease that you're not being denied information you shouldn't see." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 14, 2005' Simply amazing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Peace Date: 02 Jan 06 - 01:01 AM '"In this job you've got a lot on your plate on a regular basis; you don't have much time to sit around and wander, lonely, in the Oval Office, kind of asking different portraits, 'How do you think my standing will be?'" —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005' He has this 'je ne sais pas quois', don't you think? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Peace Date: 02 Jan 06 - 01:03 AM '"You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —George W. Bush, to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005' A man with real class, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Jan 06 - 07:39 AM Bobert, I wasn't suggesting Mr. Clifford is an Anarchist, to the contrary. You just didn't get it. I still maintain that is "bullshit". Find out the name of the drug, its' dosage and we can verify it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Bobert Date: 02 Jan 06 - 09:38 AM Tell ya what, GUEST, guest... Find an intermediary and contact me thru PM and I'll gladly hook you and Mr. Clifford up and you can ask him all the questions you like... He's alreadyy been to several of these meetiings with the Social Serice workers and has even taken his daughter, Lois, who I'm sure would also be more than happy to talk with you... I'm not going to bring it up no more with Mr. Clifford 'casue it makes him so angry he shakes all over and he has heart problems to begine with... The wife and I cherish him and don't like seeing him get all fired up but if you want to have contact with him, it can be arranged... Just be carefull what you ask for.. He's all "country" and can be difficult... But we love the old guy... Sniff... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: freda underhill Date: 02 Jan 06 - 09:54 AM In a recent speech President Bush said we need to rebuild Iraq, provide the people with jobs, and give them hope. If it works there maybe we'll try it in New Orleans. Bush's overall approval ratings have hit an all-time low ... If Bush's numbers don't improve, he could become the first president held back and forced to repeat his presidency |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,LA Times Date: 02 Jan 06 - 11:44 AM By Bill Kristol one of the two heros that brought down the Evil Republican, Richard Nixon: Paranoia trumps sense among liberals Are we really to believe that Bush just sat around after 9/11 thinking, "How can I aggrandize my powers?" William Kristol, Los Angeles Times January 02, 2006 – 12:15 AM No reasonable American, no decent human being, wants to send up a white flag in the war on terror. But leading spokesmen for American liberalism -- hostile beyond reason to the Bush administration, and ready to believe the worst about American public servants -- seem to have concluded that the terror threat is mostly imaginary. It is the threat to civil liberties from President George W. Bush that is the real danger. These liberals recoil unthinkingly from the obvious fact that our national security requires policies that are a step (but only a careful step) removed from ACLU dogma. On Dec. 19, Gen. Michael Hayden, former director of the National Security Agency and now deputy director of national intelligence, held a briefing for journalists. It included this exchange: Reporter: Have you identified armed enemy combatants, through this program, in the United States? Gen. Hayden: This program has been successful in detecting and preventing attacks inside the United States. Reporter: General Hayden, I know you're not going to talk about specifics about that, and you say it's been successful. But would it have been as successful -- can you unequivocally say that something has been stopped or there was an imminent attack or you got information through this that you could not have gotten through going to the court? Gen. Hayden: I can say unequivocally, all right, that we have got information through this program that would not otherwise have been available. Now, Hayden is by all accounts a serious, experienced, nonpolitical military officer. You'd think that a statement like this, by a man in his position, would at least slow down the glib assertions of politicians and journalists that there was no conceivable reason for Bush to bypass the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court. As Gary Schmitt and David Tell explain in the Weekly Standard, FISA was broken well before Sept. 11, 2001. Was the president to ignore the evident fact that FISA's procedures and strictures were simply incompatible with dealing with the Al-Qaida threat in an expeditious manner? Was the president to ignore the obvious incapacity of any court, operating under any intelligible legal standard, to judge surveillance decisions involving the sweeping of massive numbers of cell phones and e-mails by high-speed computers in order even to know where to focus resources? Was the president, in the wake of Sept. 11, and with the threat of imminent new attacks, really supposed to sit on his hands and gamble that Congress might figure out a way to fix FISA, if it could even be fixed? The questions answer themselves. But the spokesmen for contemporary liberalism didn't pause to even ask these questions. The day after Hayden's press briefing, Sen. Barbara Boxer, a California Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, asserted on CNN's "The Situation Room" that there was "no excuse" for the president's actions. The ranking Democrat on that committee, Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, confidently stated on NBC's "Hardball With Chris Matthews" that the president's claims were "bizarre" and that "aggrandizement of power" was probably the primary reason for the president's actions, since "there was no need to do any of this." So we are really to believe that Bush just sat around after 9/11 thinking, "How can I aggrandize my powers?" Or that Hayden -- and his hundreds of nonpolitical subordinates -- cheerfully agreed to an obviously crazy, bizarre and unnecessary project of "domestic spying"? This is the fever swamp into which American liberalism is on the verge of descending. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Once Famous Date: 02 Jan 06 - 11:49 AM Great article. They are already in the swamp. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:08 PM Re. Bobert @ 9:38 AM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:13 PM Try this again.......... Re. Bobert @ 9:38 AM IF Mr. Clifford is this upset and you say you care enough for him not to discuss this anymore, why in the Hell would you invite a stranger to do it. Sir, I think you are 'weaseling' out again as you have the propensity to often do. A coincidence? Bobert and 'weasel' have the same amount of letters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,AR282 Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:52 PM >>'But Homer's trademark doh! actually appeared in The New Oxford Dictionary of English three years ago.<< I believe it was in the Iliad first. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Once Famous Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:58 PM What about Play Doh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,AR282 Date: 02 Jan 06 - 01:12 PM That's PLATO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Amos Date: 02 Jan 06 - 03:18 PM Oh, about rebuilding Iraq, it now appears we aren't a-gonna. "The Bush administration's decision not to seek new funds in its congressional budget request next month signals the winding down of the rebuilding effort in Iraq, says the WP. Less than 20 percent remains of an $18.4 billion rebuilding effort. Half was spent on the insurgency, the criminal justice system, and the trial of Saddam Hussein. Billions that were initially supposed to go to rebuilding Iraq's decrepit infrastructure went to new security forces and maximum-security prisons and detention centers. Bringing reliable electrical, water, sewage, and sanitation services to Iraq will require tens of billions yet, but, as one brigadier general put it, "The U.S. never intended to completely rebuild Iraq." " (Slate). Bill Kristol's rant is typical fanatic arm-waving, not anchored in facts related to issues. He implies, inanely and wrongly, that Mister Bush had to bypass court permissions required by FISA because courts wouldn't support his needs competently. This is quite a slander, considering that most legal requests are approved in short order. Bush didn't want to be under the law. Arm-waving and yelling doesn't make his own feverish and rhetorical swamp any more accurate or relevant, nor does he speak to the actual issues. Bizarro stuff, IMO. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: dianavan Date: 02 Jan 06 - 04:20 PM I believed the only good reason for U.S. troops to remain in Iraq was to help with the re-building effort. Isn't the U.S. obliged to rebuild the infrastructure destroyed during the occupation? Unfortunately, mismanagement by the Bush administration has resulted in the loss of billions of dollars to shady contractors and shoddy accounting practices. The business of running a war seems to be beyond the ability of George Bush. Every penny of the money allocated to reconstruction in Iraq should be accounted for. If not, you can only assume that your tax dollars have been used to bankroll Bush and his friends. Regardless of whether you are Republican or Democrat, aren't you just a little concerned about how your tax dollars are spent? Do you really want to subsidize white collar theft? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Bobert Date: 02 Jan 06 - 07:28 PM As fir Bill Kristol's op-ed rant I just have one basic question... If Bush was so interested in fighting terrorism and setting up sytems to ptotect the Amerrican people then why wasn't apparent after Katrina... The National Reponse Plan was the same for both natural and terrorist situations yet when the chips were down, it wouldn'r have mattered none had New Orleans been hit by terrorists: Bush wasn't ready!!! As per usaul, the avwerage American working man, playing by the rules an' paying taxes, got fleeced by Bush and campaign donors who have made staeling from the working claas an art form... Bobert Oh, GUEST, guest... You have become such an assh*le that you don't so much deserve much of a repsonse to yer childish post... Go eat another box of twinkies, sit in front of yer pudder getting obesely fat while firing yer childish and rude comments from the saftey of yer Twinkie filled and annonomous life... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,Guest Date: 02 Jan 06 - 08:28 PM Bobert, you are calling me childish? At least I don't make things up. And I was correct, you do weasel out of replying. That wasn't a "childish post", it was straight from the shoulder, wanting an honest reply and it is becoming more and more obvious that you are incapable of doing that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Amos Date: 03 Jan 06 - 11:19 AM I think the bottom line here is yes, he should be. Whether it happens or not depends on the ability of the COngress to see straight, not historically a strong suit of theirs. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 03 Jan 06 - 02:11 PM Bobert: I just done found out we been sharin' the same mountain and live less that 2 miles apart. We been breathin' the same air and shoppin' at the same Walmart. I might have bumped into you or your sweet wife there. So I am hereby calling a truce. Not a surrender because you are 180 degrees wrong about Bush and Iraq but time will tell who is right and wrong. I think you are big enough to realize it if and when that time comes. Course I could be wrong and I am prepared to admit if and when that time comes. Some assholes here will say "See he is admitting he is wrong" Bullshit, wait ten years before you make your final judgement. Now there are others here who are not big enough to admit it if they were on fire. To name a few diehards: RD Peace and Amos. To you guys I say have fun, you will reap what you sew. The same goes for the Terrorists. Thinking you are right and being right are two different things. It is a mean old world out there and you have to be mature enough to handle whatever life deals to you with out crying about it. If you cant, your parents failed, not the world. PS Good luck on fixing up and renting that old place. I done it and I can tell you the most difficult part is dealing with the tennants. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST Date: 03 Jan 06 - 02:37 PM What happens if you find out you live next door to RD, Peace, or Amos? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Amos Date: 03 Jan 06 - 03:15 PM Old Guy: I've been wrong before, and admitted it happily. One thing I am pretty sure about is that your picture of me is pretty far off who I am, where I come from or what I think. I have to say thanks for your grace in declaring a truce with Bobert, on account of he lives right over there in Luray. So how come you're discriminating against me, who lives in Southern California, or Ron, who lives in the East? You some kind of spacist? Tsk, tsk. Anyway, ya done good, and when the time comes for me to tell you you was right and I was wrong, you can count on me being there with my hair shirt and ashes on. Hope I can count ont he same from you! :D A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Donuel Date: 03 Jan 06 - 03:17 PM (Cheney lives a half hour from me. Ya wanna stop by and say hi?) Just in Abramoff pleaded guilty to all charges. His plea deal says he will have to testify regarding/against anyone the prosecutor chooses. This includes 102 Congressmen , their staff and half a dozen people in the White House. Ya think this is a big deal? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Bobert Date: 03 Jan 06 - 09:17 PM Yo, old Guy... Yeah, if one day I wake up and discover that I've been wrong 'bout the world being round then I'll be the first to admit it... As fir Bush??? Different story... 2 miles, ya say... Godd, then you certainly know Mr Clifford _________ in Pine Grove and can put him in touch with GUEST, guest about the Medicaid perscription plan.... As fir the hotel, I know what I'm getting into... I just finished up running a reovation project on a 3 stror building in Winchester which was built in 1826 and prior to the project was terying to fall into itself... You probably know the building at the south end of the walking mall on Court Street.... Came out real nice.... When I get going on the hotel, stop by and say "Hey"... I'll show you around the old gal... Purdy neat old building... It was built in 1833 but she's solid down below.... BTW, I live almost up the end of Pine Grove Holler in Garland Weakley's old hog farm... You know the joint??? I know you must have known Garland... Everybody knew Garland... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,AR282 Date: 03 Jan 06 - 11:24 PM >>If Bush was so interested in fighting terrorism and setting up sytems to ptotect the Amerrican people then why wasn't apparent after Katrina<< And that was the end of his high approval ratings--that storm. His lack of response spoke volumes none of his supporters and believers ever wanted to hear. As the old saying goes--the silence was deafening. The bottom line is that he was blowing smoke up our collective ass about watching over like this great benevolent sentinel/father. He did nothing in the wake of Katrina that surprised me at all. What did people really expect from a stupid stubborn fool who brags that he doesn't read the papers or watch TV news?? And who makes up his mind on the spot without bothering to hear the various sides of an issue? Or who uses "hopefuller" in an official speech? We were buying his garble then but we should know better now but then again we should have learned something from Vietnam but that doesn't appear to be the case either. He has to be forced to explain himself. We cannot just let him walk away from this and make a mockery of the very democracy he was always endlessly yacking about but never engaging in. I think we're owed a few answers--the world is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Bobert Date: 03 Jan 06 - 11:33 PM Exactly, Bush after 9/11 pumped out his chest and said he had it covered... Bottom line, he didn't have jack covered... ...and so now he is caught... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,Old guy Date: 03 Jan 06 - 11:42 PM Bobert: I'm up here on the mountain. You ain't the one who burned down the club are ya? I see mo meanness in Bobert. He seems humerous, respectful, entertaining and genteel except when I get his feathers going the other way and thats a little hard to do. All I see in the other three Diehards is a lack of respect, tolerance and civility. Just nastyness like a lawyer on the attack. If they saw someone on the street with thier fly open, instead of saying discreetly "Hey buddy your fly is open." they would say "Hey everybody look. This idiot's fly is open." Have fun you guys. I hope the fallout don't make it to your neck of the woods. PS Bobert: It ain't the fixin' up that's hard, thats fun it yore pockets are deep enough. It's the renters. I had one tennant that hung himself with the TV antenna cable. Very unpleasant. Messed up everybody's reception. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST Date: 04 Jan 06 - 06:01 AM OG, I hate it when that happens. Nothing upsets tenants anymore that fooling around with their TV stuff. At least you didnot have to go thru a protracted eviction process. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Bobert Date: 04 Jan 06 - 07:55 AM Danged, Old Guy... You ain't living near where I live now, I don't think... I think you must be down Harpers Ferry way... The "club burning", if we're on the same page was the Shannondale Club by the lake... No, I sho nuff didn't burn it down and if I knew who did it I'f put a butt whup on 'um that they wouldn't soon forget... That was a beautiful lodge... But, nah, I'm down in Page County now... Buty I still got friends in Mission holler... Heck, my couzin Rufus and his lovely wife, Rethar May, live back at the end of the holler in half a double wide... You'd prolly know him if you saw him,,, Drives an ol Chevette with a "Gophers Need Love" bumper sticker in the back and is chairman of the Sweet Springs Beer Drinkin' Club which meets behind thwe Sweet Springs store ("no peein' in the parking lot) 'bout every Satuday night... As fir tenents, hmmmmmm, maybe this explains why one of them is late paying his rent this month??? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,G Date: 04 Jan 06 - 09:27 AM "Yeah, if someday I wake up and discover I've been wrong 'bout the World being round, then I'll be the first to admit it... "As fir Bush??? Different story..." Suspicions confirmed, Bobert! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Peace Date: 04 Jan 06 - 10:58 AM "Suspicions confirmed, Bobert!" I am sure your suspicions really concern Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Amos Date: 04 Jan 06 - 12:00 PM Well, Ole Bobert sure is putting out all the club handshake stuff necessary to make it clear that he is a bonafide member, and there's no way I kin dew thet thar nor Ron neither, I reckon, but what they hey. If the wuss it means is I am going to be mischaracterized and slandered by Ole Guy, hey, it keeps life innerestin'. Damn shame about that lodge. Damn shame. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Peace Date: 04 Jan 06 - 12:23 PM Old Guy is the south end of a horse goin' north. Bloody twit at the best of times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Donuel Date: 04 Jan 06 - 12:27 PM "This administration thinks it is okay to spy on individuals. This administration thinks that it is permissible to lock someone up indefinitely without charging them with a crime. This administration takes the position that it is fine to engage in a preemptive war without justification. This administration believes that if the facts don't fit, it will make them do so either by selectively choosing them, or by lying. This administration thinks that the murder of a panic-stricken US citizen by air marshals is acceptable. This administration thinks that manipulation of the media to obtain positive stories is warranted. "Is it any wonder that this administration tramples on our civil liberties and shreds the Constitution? After all, the Constitution is "outdated" and just a "god-damned" piece of paper, (as Bush said in private to White House aides). What is next? Martial law? Suspension of the elections? It is not unthinkable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST Date: 04 Jan 06 - 12:32 PM Peace burned down the lodge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Peace Date: 04 Jan 06 - 12:38 PM Naw. I tried once before with OG to establish a methodology by which we could exchange views. He chose not to accept the term: Let's be nice. So, now, piss on him! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,Guest Date: 04 Jan 06 - 01:08 PM You are so sweet. No wonder people accept your opinions. With all of that charisma you should run for office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Bobert Date: 04 Jan 06 - 08:42 PM Hey, I don't know who burnt down the lodge but if anyone is interetsed in seein' it just Google in Shannondale and from there you'll get to see it... It was a fine lodge and had 60 foot longs pine cross ties in the trusses... And, yes, Bush should most definately be impeached... So sghould Cheney and Frist and DeLay and Gonzalez... And prolly a half dozen oters who are in the Big Muddy with Bush... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Amos Date: 04 Jan 06 - 08:45 PM ...and the damn fool said "Keep slogging"... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 04 Jan 06 - 08:47 PM A loaf of bread, a jug of wine and Peace. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Peace Date: 04 Jan 06 - 10:09 PM You charmer, you. But why quote Ghiyath al-Din Abu'l-Fath Umar ibn Ibrahim Al-Nisaburi al-Khayyami when Yeats is available? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: Amos Date: 04 Jan 06 - 10:46 PM Yeah -- save them syllables, man! Don't be wasteful. Don't you know there are people in India who are silent???? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: number 6 Date: 04 Jan 06 - 10:51 PM I wish someone would impeach the asshole .... then I would never hear anyone complaining and whining about him. Impeach Bush now .... please! sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 04 Jan 06 - 10:52 PM And there are children in Wales who go to bed every night without enough vowels. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Should Bush be Impeached???... From: number 6 Date: 04 Jan 06 - 10:56 PM I know TIA, I know .... absolutely gut wrenching sickening. sIx |