BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain

Subject: BS: Humpback Mountain
From: GUEST,Sissy
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 07:35 AM

Avoid this disgusting piece of trash about two cowboys in love.

Subject: BS: Gay Western
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:11 PM

There is this new gay western called Brokeback Mountain. It has received some very good reviews. I will not see this movie though, but it might be the first successful western for women. No shootouts, no attacking Indians, no wagon trains, no bad-ass cowboys starting fights in saloons. Just two sensitive cowboys.

I think the two guys in this movie were seen grimacing when they were sitting on their horses.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western
From: pdq
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:17 PM

Some gay guys are really into leather.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western
From: John O'L
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:27 PM

Ah yes, a pair of chaps and a saddle-horn, who could ask for more?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:39 PM

I can't think of any compelling reason why I would want to see this movie. Of course, I could say that about almost all of them lately...

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western
From: mack/misophist
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 10:42 PM

Think about it, Martin. If it's set in the 1800's - the main cowboy era - there were damn few women around in most places; probably none out on the range. Gay cowboys are an inevitability.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 01:58 AM

Here's a line from an old traditional song, " I've been riding on the range and my hurdies getting sore "

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 02:49 AM

I think martin is envying the cowboys....

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 03:14 AM

I liked Oklahoma.

The guys in that chorus line weren't exactly the testoterone smelling shit kickers that Clint Eastwood shoots every 90 seconds.

Allow things their place, Martin. Go and see the film. you are lucky to live in a city where there is some diversity. nothing but Harry Potter and kids stuff on our local flicks.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 03:39 AM

Bad-ass cowboys???

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 04:34 AM

There's some pretty big names involved in the story and the script - Annie Proulx and Larry McMurtry. I'd expect it to be controversial, but I'll bet it's a good flick. Here's the blurb from allmovie.com:

Ang Lee's adaptation of E. Annie Proulx's story Brokeback Mountain stars Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger as young cowboys named Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar. Each of them is hired to work cattle on the title location and they soon bond very closely. Their platonic relationship explodes into a physical one, but eventually the two are separated when their job comes to an end. Although the two follow different life paths -- one becoming a father of two and the other becoming a business success -- they have a reunion years later. Each is affected profoundly by the rekindling of their old feelings for each other. Those feelings lead each to consider what continuing their hidden relationship would cost them. The screenplay was written by Pulitzer Prize-winning author Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana. -- Perry Seibert

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 05:18 AM

McMurtry - it'll be good. I read his book about Billy the Kid.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: MarkS
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 08:48 AM

Yawn
Why not a movie about gay rocket scientists or dentists or molecular biologists?
If the only thing this movie has to differentiate it from all the rest of the holiday season offerings is the gay angle, you can be pretty sure that by this time next year nobody will remember it.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 08:53 AM

Thanks, Joe, for posting that.

We used to live in Wyoming, as some of you may know and my dad grew up on a cattle ranch in Colorado. In Wyoming, where the film takes place, many of our friends were gay. We used to go to dances with them and let me tell you, one and all, there was nothing of the sterotype among them. We had toolpushers from the oilfields, long-haul truck drivers, cowboys, businessmen, ranch-owners, artists, medical workers, professors, etc. Some of them were hard-drinking, hard-fighting, which caused the same kind of problems they can cause among any group of people, and a few no one would want to tussle with because they could have kicked anyone into the next county without any effort.

I have heard some references, to this movie, say the "cowboys" herd sheep. If you herd sheep, you are a sheepherder, NOT a cowboy, but I will wait to see it, to judge that for myself. Good thing, that, withholding judgement 'til one sees for oneself...

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 09:06 AM

It leads the Golden Globe nomination with seven in all. Also, it won the New York Film Critics Circle's best picture, best director and best actor (Ledger) awards. With all of that, besides the ground-breaking subject, I don't think it will be forgotten, soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: MMario
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 09:14 AM

Out on another forum I read they are discussing this - and with no mention of sexual orientation or even gender. Seems to be pretty popular movie.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 10:12 AM

I am truly looking forward to this film. I've heard that the acting is supreme. And when it is released on DVD, I will probably want to own it so I can re-watch the exceptional scenic locations and grand photography that I've heard are a huge part of it.   This is real, folks. For that reason, I will accept and enjoy it.

Art

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 11:07 AM

It's very real; a number of veteran cowhands from those ranges have gone on record as saying it reflects their own struggles vivdly.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 01:09 PM

Where does it say that, Amos? What number of veteran cowhands? Did you get that from the New York Times, also?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 01:24 PM

shepherd

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 01:27 PM

And think not you can
Direct the course of love,
For love,
If it finds you worthy,
Directs your course.
~ by Gibran Kahlil Gibran ~

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 02:20 PM

BPL, maybe in parts other than the American West. Out here they are sheepherders.:-) My great-grandpa and grandpa both were in some battles between the cattlemen and sheepherders. Interestingly, though, it was the large conglomerate sheep companies with which they AND local sheepmen (so-called if they owned a ranch of their own) fought. I have a front-page editorial of my grandfather's which points out how the local "sheepmen" and cattlemen were united against the "big business" interests of Utah sheep companies.

What do real cowboys think? To find the answer, "Good Morning America Weekend Edition" traveled to the National Finals Rodeo in Las Vegas.

Seven-time world champion cowboy Ty Murray, who is straight, actually welcomes the movie.

"I think it's something that's now just being more understood," Murray said. "Hopefully, this movie helps people further understand it."

But gay cowboys Robert Salcedo and Brian Helander aren't so sure and worry about an increase in homophobia.

Here's more of what REAL, Wyoming cowboys have to say about the movie:

By GUY TREBAY
Published: December 18, 2005

Lusk, Wyo.
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David J. Swift for The New York Times

Ben Clark says "Growing up, I never even dreamed that a real cowboy would be gay."

THERE are missile silos tucked throughout the hills around the high plains here, a town 140 miles north of Cheyenne with more sheep than people, with one stop light, no bowling alley or movie theater and a year-round population just above 1,000. Although the silos, with their sinister nuclear payloads, are well concealed, most locals know where to find them. Wyoming's wide-open spaces are like that, with space enough to conceal wide-open secrets, and good reasons to do so.

Among the secrets is the existence of gay cowboys, a term that might have struck some as an oxymoron before Ang Lee's new film, "Brokeback Mountain," which opened earlier this month to sold-out houses in New York and Los Angeles, seven Golden Globe nominations and almost universally rave reviews. By the standards of the rhapsodically spare film and the bleak Annie Proulx story on which it is based, gay cowboys are so anomalous as to be characters out of myth.

Yet there has always lurked a suspicion that the fastidious Eastern dude of Owen Wister's "The Virginian" harbored stronger than proper feelings for his rough Western compadres, and that the Red River crowd may have gotten up to more than yarning by the campfire whenever Joanne Dru was not around. The light Ang Lee allows into the bunkhouse closet may shock those who like their Marlboro Men straight.

But to gay men trying to forge lives in a world where the shape of masculinity is narrow, and where the "liberated" antics of the homosexual minstrels so often depicted on television can seem far off, the emotional privation and brutal violence of "Brokeback Mountain" seems like documentary.

"That could have been my life," Derrick Glover said one bitter cold afternoon last week, referring to the film, which he had seen at a special screening a week before in Jackson, Wyo. A 33-year-old rancher, Mr. Glover comes from a family that has worked the land around Lusk for generations. His father still runs 300 head of cattle.

Seated at a table in the smoky Outpost Cafe alongside Highway 85, Mr. Glover laid out the story of a typical ranch-country boyhood: herding, branding, culling and haying, horses hobbled on picket lines and calves pulled forcibly from their mother's bodies during spring calving. Every summer Mr. Glover sets out with his brother in a panel truck carrying their two quarter horses, to compete in calf and steer roping competitions. "I never had any intention of leaving the cowboy lifestyle," Mr. Glover said. "Ranching is who I am."

Yet next month Mr. Glover will quit Lusk and that part of himself in order to move to the bright lights of Lander, Wyo. (population 6,864). "I don't really want to do it," Mr. Glover said. Yet he has to, he explained, if he ever wants to live his life openly. Like Jack Twist, the rodeo-loving character portrayed by Jake Gyllenhaal in the movie, Derrick Glover is gay.

"They always define it as coming out of the closet, but I don't consider myself to be out of the closet," Mr. Glover explained. There is a reason for that, he said. "Where I live, you can't really go out and be yourself. You couldn't go out together, two guys, as a couple and ever be accepted. It wasn't accepted in the past, it's still not, and I don't think it ever will be." That he and some of the others interviewed for this article were willing to be named and photographed was not without social and even physical risk.

Starkest among the dimensions of "Brokeback Mountain" is not the love story billboarded as revolutionary, or the kisses that are far less erotically charged than the one exchanged by Peter Finch and Murray Head in John Schlesinger's "Sunday Bloody Sunday," back in 1971.

What is most emotionally corrosive about "Brokeback Mountain," some say, is the film's placid portrayal of the violence that has always been a part of gay experience, whether a gay man's brutal murder recalled in flashback from the boyhood of Ennis del Mar, the conflicted cowboy portrayed by Heath Ledger, or the equally grotesque killing that is the film's denouement. Just as chilling, perhaps, is the emotional wreckage left littering the majestic landscape, hulks of lives ruptured by intolerance and misunderstanding left rusting at the end of dirt roads.

rest of the article may be accessed on this page.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 01:14 PM

A gay friend in New York City wrote to say he thought the movie was marvelous, and he and a friend sat and discussed it for hours afterward. Makes easy my selection of a good holiday gift for him next year, assuming it comes out as DVD sometime in 2006.

The bigoted remarks regarding the film's subject matter are not unexpected, but as usual, are disappointing.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 02:32 PM

sounds a bit miserable.

I think I'll stick with Oklahoma. I prefer my gay cowboys dancing to Everything's up to date in Kansas City.

They gone about as far as they can go......!

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,Charlie Baum, sans cookie since he's travell
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 08:31 PM

"Brokeback Mountain" is one of the best films I've seen in a long time! It was sold out for most of its performances in my area, and I bought tickets for an early Sunday afternoon matinee on Saturday night, when we got to the theatre and couldn't get in. Good thing I bought the tickets in advance, because even the Sunday morning showings were sold out.

The main protagonists are indeed sheepherders, not cowboys, and we can have a nuanced discussion about whether they truly qualify as "gay" once you've seen the movie. The "gay cowboy" moniker probably derives from the South Park line a couple of years ago where one of the South Park kids ask if independent films are all about "gay cowboys eating pudding." BTW, there's no pudding in Brokeback Mountain either.

It's based on a great short story by Annie Proulx. In very economical writing, the story says as much by what it DOESN'T say as by what it does.

The film explores the complexity of forbidden relationships, In an earlier time, ballads were written about similar subjects--ballads like "Mill o' Tifty's Annie" or "Annachie Gordon." Those old Scottish ballads dealt with love thwarted because of social class or economically required marriages. In today's society, such reasons for prohibiting relationship are quaintly outdated, and even prohibitions due to ethnic or racial differences seem passe. The issue of sexual orientation is the frontier of relationship prohibition that resonates in today's society, so that's where this modern tragic ballad occurs. Just as Mill o' Tifty's Annie's brother breaks her back for liking Andrew Lammie, so the couple in Brokeback Mountain needs to worry constantly about the possibility of being gay-bashed to death. As the character Ennis DelMar observes: "This thing gets hold of us at the wrong time and wrong place and we're dead." One year after Annie Proulx's story was published in the New Yorker, Matthew Shephard was beaten to death and left crucified on a ranch fence about 30 miles from Ms. Proulx's home. She was part of the jury pool called for his murder, though she did not actually serve.

Heath Ledger's performance is the best acting I've seen, perhaps, since Meryl Streep in "Sophie's Choice." He manages to convey the full complexity of a very repressed character with understatements and silences.

A must-see, unless you're too much of a homophobic sissy to deal with it.

--Charlie Baum

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 08:45 PM

"homophobic sissy"

That's a complete oxymoron. I wouldn't waste my money on a movie about cowboy fags who ike to buttfuck each other.

There are plenty other good movies worth seeing than this. I don't care if a few gays say that's the way it was. I have no reason to believe them in their on-going pursiuit to shove their lifestyle down everyone's throat.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 08:53 PM

Martin--


SPOILER AHEAD--


The thing about Brokeback Mountain is that the characters NEVER adopt the gay lifetyle. They fight against their attractions to each other, marry and have children. The rest of society in the movie disapproves of their relationship, and one of the main characters is in fact beaten to death with a tire iron at the end of the story for being "a fag," as you put it--an ending that will surely warm the cockles of your homophobic heart.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 09:02 PM

I don't want to see anyone killed, oh cowardly guest. There are people who would be driven to that and people who wouldn't be.

Just because I have no use for the fudgepacker lifestyle does not mean I would want to see anyone hurt for it. I just don't find a movie on this subject at all interesting. Why do you? Hits too close to home? People you can relate to personally?

why not go see King Kong? Not sennnnnnnnnnnsitive enough for you?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 09:39 PM

Strange, isn't it, Martin. You can condemn others yet be so incredibly sensitive when bigotry and predjudice hit close to home for you ie someone bashing Jews. Face it, it's the same thing, BIGOTRY. One would think that this is a lesson you would have learned. Try acceptance of others, Martin. It can only make the world a better place.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Dec 05 - 12:39 PM

Guest, I'm sure you just accept all others. Killers, rapists, child molesters, probably terrorists, also. What else do you accept in your sennnnnnnnnsitive, cowardly way?

Sorry, I draw the line just differently than you. Actually, I'm not sorry. Accepting a gay lifestyle is not bigoted, it's just not in the best interest of a moral society. Never has been and never will be. Neither are you, probably.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Dec 05 - 01:09 PM

Creating conflict, promoting hate and distrust, sneering at everyone who doesn't sign on to one's approach, running rough shod over anyone who does not share one's views, living with the aggressive notion that one can enforce the view that it's my way or no way, and then fixating on someone else's sexual proclivities, known or unknown, that alert others to my own latent fears- sorry, guys, you caught on to my sorry life. I will try to do better.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,Merde, alors!
Date: 26 Dec 05 - 01:24 PM

Interesting that there are few subjects that can get Martin Gibson quite as upset as homosexuality. I wonder WHY he gets this upset......

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,Mr Masculinity
Date: 26 Dec 05 - 01:33 PM

It's because he cannot conquer the fear of what others may think...if he should fail to meet their stringent expectations regarding his masculinity. He dares not pee sitting down! I had that problem for years, and there wasn't even anyone to see me doing it, but I still didn't dare to. Amazing, isn't it? I finally got over it, but it wasn't easy, let me tell you. The first time I tried it I was in stark terror of what might occur...if anyone found out! If my parents should know! The shame! Or if God would punish me! I sympathize with Martin's dilemma.

He's really quite sensitive.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: kendall
Date: 26 Dec 05 - 03:27 PM

I saw the previews of this film and it doesn't interest me. I'm used to seeing real men of the west wearing cotton and leather, not chiffon. Let's face it, chiffon wrinkles.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Dec 05 - 03:30 PM

LOL, Kendall.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: paddymac
Date: 26 Dec 05 - 05:36 PM

There was an interesting story in the local paper a few days ago about the marketing strategt for this film. In short, the producers elected not to go with a "universal opening" (everywhere simultaneously)in part because of the anticipated controversiality, but also cost, and their view that it is "word of mouth" that will best sell the film. There is presently a goodly bit of Oscar buzz, which may just be another facet of the marketing strategy. There are films that I find repugnant, mostly of the blood-&-guts-all-over-the-place-multiple-murder-variety, but there are apparently enough people who do like them that they keep making them. I guess that';s part of the price we pay for living in what we still think of as a mostly free society.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Dec 05 - 05:40 PM

"Real men" have the XY chromosome. After that, it's all a crapshoot.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 26 Dec 05 - 10:54 PM

Well, I saw it; and it has no chiffon in it except for the girls. It is a very realistic piece of work, and has some of the most stunning scenery I've seen since the last time I rode in the Grand Tetons, many years ago. The heros are fierce and as real as two cowboys can be. It certainly breaks up prejudgement of the usual sort. It's not about "gay" cowboys but about real cowboys who fall in love with each other, a distinction that ios important if you can grasp it.

I enjoyed it a lot and am glad I saw it. It has earned its kudos, in my opinion.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,Mr. Smarty Pants
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 12:33 AM

I thought it was a groovy movie. I think I'm going to add a little more western garb to my wardrobe in the new year.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 01:04 AM

I guess I don't quite know what to think about this discussion. It's obvious that the film is offensive to some people because of its sympathetic treatment of homosexuality - something that is absolutely repulsive to some people. If that's how they feel about it, I guess that it's natural that they should respond.....er, viscerally.

On the other hand, it is a serious film that certainly seems to have significant merit. It covers issues that warrant serious discussion. What I'm wondering is how can people who aren't disgusted by the film have an intelligent discussion of it, when you have other people jumping around and tsk-tsking about "buttfucking."*

One of the Clones deleted the Martin Gibson "mutual buttfuck" post above, and I could see good reason for the deletion. Still, I decided to undelete the post because the deletion broke the flow of the discussion. I have to say, though, that it's hard to say what sort of moderation is appropriate in a situation like this. How do you let people who are offended have their say, and still encourage an intelligent discussion of the film?

-Joe Offer-


*And if people are so offended by the film, one could wonder why they're so offensive themselves in the way they express it.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: kendall
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 07:47 AM

As a very wise English woman once said "I don't care what they do, as long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses."

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 08:40 AM

I can't believe you're still letting that psychopath play his mind games here, Joe Offer. And these folkies believe Martin Gibson is the person he has made up. Sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 09:08 AM

After reading this thread, one could think that 4 different movies are being discussed.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Amos
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 09:33 AM

Well, the fact is that the buttfucking plays a much larger part in Martin's obsessions than it does in the actual movie.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST,A
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 10:21 AM

That was not one of things that stuck with me in coming to my conclusion. Hmnn.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 10:42 AM

Martin "Slam Bam Thankyou Mam" Gibson delights in offending people, primarily through offering up his adolescent view of sex between individuals. He cuts a wide swath and trashes a lot of good conversations in the process. He assumes this offensive stance armed with an apparently incomplete sexual education.

According to many sources regarding homosexual sex versus anal sex (here is one):

Who does it?
There is a common misconception that anal sex is practised almost exclusively by gay men. This is certainly not the case. An estimated one third of gay couples do not include anal intercourse in their lovemaking with about one third of heterosexual couples doing so from time to time. About 10 per cent of heterosexual couples have anal intercourse as a regular feature of their lovemaking. In absolute numbers, more heterosexual couples have anal sex than homosexual couples.

Is it safe?
Anal sex, if practised with care, is possible for most couples. It does, however, carry additional health risks and there are safer sexual practices that couples can enjoy. The main health risks, which affect both heterosexual and homosexual couples, are described below. . .

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 10:45 AM

WHOA. Whatever about the film, read Proulx's beautifully-written story, which is more a tale of lost and thwarted love than about any particular combination of genders. It should enlighten some of the more narrow-minded members of society, but – even if they bother to read it – I suppose it won't. People are too fond of clinging to their prejudices to even WANT any other viewpoint.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 10:49 AM

Joe, you were correct to leave my post in and the other more spineless clone really ought to get his head examined.

"buttfucking" is what it is. It is sodomy between two men or anal intercourse between two men. There now, does that make you so easily offended by language feel better? I'm not offended by language as I am by your lack of offensiviness to ACTIONS. Amos, I'm talking in part to you.

I fully understand that this movie is being critically acclaimed and what it does and what it implies. It is just another part of the gay agenda. I am not saying to ban it or anything like that. Just that the movie's story is not for me, I could give a royal crap about the gay lifestyle and would not encourage anyone to see this piece of gay propaganda. To the howling posters who hide behind the Guest monicker, keep on howling as I do not care. Your way of thinking just has to be challenged to keep things sane for others. Your intolerance of people who think different than you keeps you at the head of class in Hypocracy 101.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 10:50 AM

If you feed the MG he'll just keep posting vitriol, folks. Shunning is what is needed, complete and utter.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay Western - Brokeback Mountain
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 11:42 AM

Wrong, banning is what is needed. Shunning hasn't gotten rid of him and it has brought the mudcat down. do something about it.