BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment

Subject: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 03:48 PM

As I shamelessly cut & paste this from CNN, I am thinking that Pat Robertson might have been separated at birth. Or should this be titled, "white's stay out." ?


Nagin calls for rebuilding 'chocolate' New Orleans
Black majority city 'the way God wants it to be'

Tuesday, January 17, 2006; Posted: 1:47 p.m. EST (18:47 GMT)

Programming note: Anderson Cooper interviews New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin about his "chocolate" city comments, 10 p.m. ET Tuesday.


"New Orleans was a chocolate city before Katrina," said Nagin, shown here earlier this month.
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Nagin says New Orleans will stay "chocolate" (1:32)
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Manage Alerts | What Is This? NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Mayor Ray Nagin on Monday called for the rebuilding of a "chocolate New Orleans" that maintains the city's black majority, saying, "You can't have New Orleans no other way."

"I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day," Nagin said in a Martin Luther King Jr. Day speech. "This city will be a majority African-American city. It's the way God wants it to be."

Uptown is a reference to a mostly white part of the city.

Pressed later to explain his comments, Nagin, who is black, told CNN affiliate WDSU-TV that he was referring to creation of a racially diverse city in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, insisting that his remarks were not divisive.

"How do you make chocolate? You take dark chocolate, you mix it with white milk, and it becomes a delicious drink. That is the chocolate I am talking about," he said.

"New Orleans was a chocolate city before Katrina. It is going to be a chocolate city after. How is that divisive? It is white and black working together, coming together and making something special."

Before Hurricane Katrina inundated the city with floodwaters in August, forcing its residents to evacuate, about two-thirds of New Orleans' population of 485,000 was black.

However, the worst of the flooding was in mostly black areas that remain largely uninhabitable, while residents in mostly white areas that were less badly damaged have been able to return home -- prompting speculation that the much-smaller city could end up with a white majority if large numbers of black evacuees do not return.

Black residents and political leaders have complained about the slow pace of recovery in mostly black areas compared to mostly white areas such as Uptown and the French Quarter, where services have been restored and life has returned to a semblance of normal.

In his speech, Nagin also said "God is mad at America," in part because he does not approve "of us being in Iraq under false pretenses."

"He is sending hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it is destroying and putting stress on this country," Nagin said.

He said God is "upset at black America also."

"We are not taking care of ourselves. We are not taking care of our women, and we are not taking care of our children when you have a community where 70 percent of its children are being born to one parent."

Nagin, first elected in 2002, had been due to come up for re-election next month. However, state officials postponed the city election until April because of the disruptions caused by Katrina.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 04:19 PM

"How do you make chocolate? You take dark chocolate, you mix it with white milk, and it becomes a delicious drink. That is the chocolate I am talking about," he said.

Looks like he's saying he doesn't think New Orleans should become a "Whites only" city, not that he thinks it should be a "Blacks only" city. Can't see anything wrong with that myself.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: kendall
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 04:37 PM

I wish I knew what God wants.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: pdq
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:39 PM

God wants a new Elvis Presley record.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: John O'L
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:48 PM

Uh-huh

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 05:53 PM

"In his speech, Nagin also said "God is mad at America," in part because he does not approve "of us being in Iraq under false pretenses."

"He is sending hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it is destroying and putting stress on this country," Nagin said.


CarolC, not that I am a pat robertson fan. He is a fool and an idiot. so is this guy Nagin. He is completely full of crap speaking for God in the way Robertson has and made big headlines with. he should be ridiculed just as much.

And New Orleans will stay black, unfortunately and not diverse. Only poorer than it even was before.

His explanation is such a tap dance he should have a top hat and cane.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 06:07 PM

I think it's very presumptuous for both of them to say what they did about "God's punishment", and I am not trying to defend that at all. My post was in response to this part of your initial post...

Or should this be titled, "white's stay out." ?

Whether or not New Orleans would be a better city with a Black majority, or a White majority seems a bit irrelevant to me. The people who were living there prior to Katrina, both Black as well as White, should be the first to have the opportunity to return.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: jimmyt
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 07:14 PM

Carol I do agree with your statement that whomever was there before should have the first opportunity to return, but let's be real here, Pat Robertson is an idiot, and this guy,Nagin, who happens to be ethnicly and politically the opposite of Pat Robertson is also an idiot. Unfortunately idiots have no race, religion or political barriers. They are everywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 07:18 PM

I took the following from a stats page on the net. If ya wanna see it for yerself go to

neworleans.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm

where you will find the complete demographic picture. Seems according to this that New Orleans was never a 'single-colour/race' town to begin with.


"White 135956 28.05%
Black or African American 325947 67.25%"

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Dead Horse
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 07:28 PM

So mebbe the whites will drive the trams and sweep the streets and nurse the sick and police the badlands and work down the sewers and and and....Then it will be a white city, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: michaelr
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 07:30 PM

Funny how religion seems to turn people into idiots.

I say stay away from the stuff.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: jimmyt
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 08:52 PM

amen Brother Michael

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 09:04 PM

jimmyt, I draw your attention to this part of that post of mine that you quoted...

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: CarolC - PM
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 06:07 PM

I think it's very presumptuous for both of them to say what they did about "God's punishment", and I am not trying to defend that at all.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 09:06 PM

"70 percent of its children are being born to one parent"

That poor woman.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 11:47 PM

I've just heard that Nagin has apologized for talking about "God's punishment". Anybody care to hold his or her breath until Robertson apologizes for what he said?

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: michaelr
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 12:06 AM

Robertson doesn't have to... he's not a politician.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Desdemona
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:11 AM

Never mind about what God thinks, what's Hershey, PA going to say about all this?!

~D

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: jimmyt
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:15 PM

If I'm not mistaken, ROn, I thing he did a couple days ago. He is still a moron though in my opinion. I cannot imagine a worse scenario than someone like RObertson in power. I know Ihm setting myself up for one with this comment, but these religious extremists scare the living hell out of me.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:19 PM

I was in Hershey for TV show one time. Loved the place. However, two years later I was leading a canoe trip through part of it on the Susquehanna River. It was disappointing to see that the river was 'chocolate' coloured for about four miles. I hope they've changed that.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:40 PM

funny how some people are able to quote God to support their own offbeat notions. "God wants us to _____..._____"

No matter what Mayor Nagin ultimately means by his blather, he sure has his mouth in gear before engaging his brain to think how it sounds! This is about the 5th or 6th stupid interview since he became 'news'. I bet 25¢ he doesn't get re-elected.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 01:45 PM

You're on! They re-elected Bush, so why not Nagin? (grin)

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 02:31 PM

Most those politicians ain't worth the two bits youse guys is bettin'! IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 02:33 PM

Is that 25 cents US, or Canadian?

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: jimmyt
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 03:13 PM

carol I think they have thrown away all the Canadian guarters as they are now valueless aren't they? I guess Brucie could save them up for a couple years and get a cup of coffee.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: PoppaGator
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 05:00 PM

I love Ray Nagin, especially since he told off Bush and Brownie during the flood, but sure wish he'd hire a speechwriter. In the great tradition of another New Orleans public personality, onetime Saints coach Mike Ditka, he seems to live by the slogan "Ready, Fire, Aim."

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: GUEST,Bucky Beaver
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 05:06 PM

We'll get you for that, jimmyt.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: jimmyt
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:55 PM

I am sorry I couldn't resist. If you actually put a beaver on the quarter, most people would collect them and possibly inflate the currency a bit. Just a thought

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:08 PM

PoppaGator...almost everybody told off Bush & Brownie....Nagin needs to do more than just yell "rebuild" and make awkward references to 'chocolate' and God. (I'll GIVE a US quarter if I lose, and TAKE a Canadian one if I win....beaver or not)

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:14 PM

The current 'joke' regarding Canadian money is the nickel. It has a likeness of the Queen on one side and a beaver on the other. People tickle the beaver to see if the Queen actually smiles.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:25 PM

Take a dime. It has a likeness of the Bluenose on it.

Pic here.

However, before a Canadiana guy/gal takes me to task, I have also heard that it is NOT the Bluenose. It was reknown as the fastest sailing ship for a period of time. (And, once, I sat on the bow of the Bluenose 2 behind the Schooner (?) Beer Factory in Halifax. I know nothing about sailing ships, but I do know she was beautiful.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:31 PM

"I guess Brucie could save them up for a couple years and get a cup of coffee."

Jaysus, jimmy, most places in Alberta just give ya the coffee. They don't want the quarters, either.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:44 PM

Ahhhhh, P-Gator, maybe you have a handle on this but wasn't Nagin elected becasue he had a lot of white folks supporting him???

Plus, yeah, he has apologized which puts him at least a couple rungs on the ladder over Pat Robertson...

Personally, I don't think God makes bad stuff happen...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: jimmyt
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:29 PM

I took a couple hour cruise on the BLuenose out of Lunenberg a few years ago. She is a beautiful ship.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:30 PM

Chocolate?
ok Im not contractor or anything but shouldnt New Orleans be re-built with something else.. after all it gets pretty hot down there.
Look at what happens to a Hershey bar in your pocket.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:24 PM

You ever seen somebody tryin to impress people by using street talk, but they say it wrong or even if they're down with the talk, no body buys what he's sellin because because everybody knows that he hasn't walked the walk?

I think that's part of how Black folks are takin this Nagin/"Chocolate City" thing. One response:

"So now you wanna use our talk to prove you're down with the Black folks? Yeah right. Talk is cheap. Show me the monay.

For a sense of who Nagin is and who he's beholdened to
{clue: it ain't the people in what was New Orlean's Ninth Ward} check out this excerpt from an article in the Sunday January 15, 2006 The Observer, "The Day The Music Died" by author and critic Nik Cohn:

"...The uptown wealthy, whose mansions stand on higher ground, may feel secure, but the middle class has had enough: 74 per cent of buildings suffered serious damage; 115,000 small businesses are still out of commission; the city's population has shrunk to 70,000. Desperate for workers, Burger King is offering a $6,000 signing-on bonus, but there are few takers. Nagin keeps promising that all will be well. No one I've talked to believes him.

Nagin is a contentious figure. After the flood, when it became obvious that the city's disaster plan had been hopelessly inadequate and he might be held accountable, he posed as a firebrand, accusing the powers in Washington. He had a point: the performance of those in power was a crime. Government at every level failed utterly to help its own citizens in need, and it continues to do so. But Nagin's efforts have been nothing to brag about and his posturing fools few. 'Ray Nagin was never black until Katrina' is a popular line among his constituents. Formerly owner of the local cable-TV franchise, his loyalty has always been to business. He has made a show of organising televised forums on New Orleans' future, at which community leaders can berate each other to their hearts' content. The serious brainstorming, though, goes on at private luncheons beforehand, reserved for Nagin and the developers and demolishers who are the true powers behind his throne.

Nagin, like most of the city's black mayors, is light-skinned; the majority of project dwellers are dark. In a city where the 'brown paper bag test' has held sway for 200 years as a guideline to social status, this is no petty distinction. The reshaping of New Orleans, he seems to feel, is not a matter for the mass of its people. Like most things in America, it will be determined by dollars, and dark-brown dollars aren't many..."

Source:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,1686412,00.html

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:28 PM

For Black folks {ie. African Americans} "Chocolate City" means:
1. Washington D.C.
2. Any other city which has a predominately Black population

In 1975 Parliament took this commonly known Black referent and recorded a single entitled "Chocolate City" and gave the album that title too.

Here's the musicians and vocalists for the album and the single: Bass: Bootsy Collins, Cordell "Boogie" Mosson, Prakash John
Guitar: Gary Shider, Bootsy Collins, Cordell Mosson
Drums: Tiki Fulwood, Ty Lampkin, Man In the Box
Keyboards: Bernie Worrell
Horn & String Arrangements: Bernie Worrell
Rhythm Arrangements: Bootsy Collins, George Clinton
Vocals: Parliament, Gary Shider, Eddie Hazel
Background Vocals: Mallia Franklin, Gary "Mudbone" Cooper

"Chocolate City"
Lead Vocals: George Clinton
Piano Solo: Bernie Worrell
Sax Solo: Michael Brecker

And here's an excerpt of that song:

CHOCOLATE CITY
Uh, what's happening CC?
They still call it the White House
But that's a temporary condition, too.
Can you dig it, CC?

To each his reach
And if I don't cop, it ain't mine to have
But I'll be reachin' for ya
'Cause I love ya, CC.
Right on.

There's a lot of chocolate cities, around
We've got Newark, we've got Gary
Somebody told me we got L.A.
And we're working on Atlanta
But you're the capital, CC...

Hey, CC!
They say your jivin' game, it can't be changed
But on the positive side,
You're my piece of the rock
And I love you, CC.
Can you dig it?

Hey, uh, we didn't get our forty acres and a mule
But we did get you, CC, heh, yeah
Gainin' on ya
Movin' in and around ya
God bless CC and its vanilla suburbs...

Gainin' on ya!
Gainin' on ya!
Gainin' on ya! (heh!)
Gainin' on ya!
Gainin' on ya!
What's happening, blood?
Gainin' on ya!
Gainin' on ya!
Gainin' on ya!...

And when they come to march on ya
Tell 'em to make sure they got their James Brown pass
And don't be surprised if Ali is in the White House
Reverend Ike, Secretary of the Treasure
Richard Pryor, Minister of Education
Stevie Wonder, Secretary of FINE arts
And Miss Aretha Franklin, the First Lady
Are you out there, CC?
A chocolate city is no dream
It's my piece of the rock and I dig you, CC
God bless Chocolate City and its (gainin' on ya!) vanilla suburbs
Can y'all get to that?
Gainin' on ya!
Gainin' on ya!
Easin' in
Gainin' on ya!
In yo' stuff
Gainin' on ya!
Huh, can't get enough
Gainin' on ya!
Gainin' on ya!
Be mo' funk, be mo' funk
Gainin' on ya!
Can we funk you too
Gainin' on ya!
Right on, chocolate city!...

Parliaments' Chocolate City


-snip-

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:33 PM

Here's an excerpt from a 1998 washingtonpost.com article


FACES IN THE CROWD
(By Todd Buchanan)

"When Parliament-Funkadelic founder George Clinton uttered, "What's hap'nin' CC?," on his 1975 album "Chocolate City," he might as well have said, "Watson, come here." Clinton's cool, didactic diatribe, buoyed by five minutes of chitlin-cleaning funk, became the allegory that linked black Washingtonians regardless of caste, class or politics. Even before it Clinton put a beat to it, Chocolate City was a metaphorical utopia where black folks' majority status was translated into an assertion of self-consciousness, self-determination and self-confidence.

Walk up to any black person who was in D.C. in the '70s and ask if they remember Chocolate City. If they stare at you blankly or mention Hershey, Pa., you know you are dealing with a mutant strain of squareness or, God forbid, a 'bama-an individual rank and unrepentant in his or her backwardness. But the reaction is likely to be a smile and shared memories of Parliament-Funkadelic, the struggle for home rule, whist games and the hand dance called the bop. People might talk about old hairdos, blowout kits, the Flagg Bros. shoe store on 10th and F, Chuck Taylor sneakers, quarter parties, waist parties, graduations at Constitution Hall, the back of the bus on the X lines and picnics at Hains Point.

Chocolate City was a cultural muscularity flexing itself in images like Gaston Neal and the New School of African American Thought hosting Sun Ra in the middle of 14th Street. It was Robert Hooks and the D.C. Black Repertory Theater. It was Shirley Horne, Buck Hill and Carter Jefferson on sax, Bobby Sanchez on trumpet and Fred Foss on alto at Twins. It was Bill Harris on guitar at the Pigfoot, Butch Warren on bass anywhere; it was Chuck Brown at the Maverick Room on Wednesday night; Billy Stewart at the Koko Club at 8th and H; Trouble Funk at the Coliseum, Experience Unlimited at the Panorama Room, and Gil Scott-Heron's "H2O Watergate Blues" in regular rotation on black radio. It was a pop cultural expression of hope..."

Source: Reflections of Chocolate City

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:40 PM

"Chocolate City" is also the name of a children's foot stomping cheer that was performed in the 1980s. BTW: "Chocolate" is pronounced "Chock let".

Here's the words to the cheer that I collected from an African American Pittsburgh {PA} girl who said she got it from her DC cousin:

CHOCOLATE CITY
Chock Let
Chock Chock let City

Chock Let
Chock Chock let City

All the boys in Chocolate City
Get down to the nitty gritty
Long time.
No see.
Sexy as I wanna be.
Some hittin me high.
some hittin me low.
Some hittin me on my___
Don't ask what
{What?}
My B-U-T-T B-U -T- T
B-U-T-T Butt
that's what.

-snip-

And if you don't think that any of this has anything to do with the subject matter of this thread, well Jockomo fee na nay.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:26 PM

One last thing from me: Who in New Orleans was stupid enough to vote for him?

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:44 PM

Democrats???

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:47 PM

Republicans don't have the market on stupidity even though it seems like it. Hell, ya got Bush for a President. It took more stupid people to do that than it did to elect Nagin as mayor.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:53 PM

Nagin and Robertson. Separated at birth?

Pgator, don't you be making Mike Ditka yours. He was and is Chicago's own. He hung around New Orleans for a while and got the hell out of there. He's back here where he belongs and is loved by most all.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: GUEST,Anonny Mouse
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:06 AM

Hey good thread there Martin! I posted on some threads 'bout Pat Robertson here too. First I'm amazed that Nagin made the comments...and all this stuff about it being Gods judgment and all make me wanna puke. Where do these guys get their material anyway? Spose he thinks he's a prophet now. Dont even get me started on Robertson again either. Nagin said somethin' like he got carried away by the moment. Yeah. Good plan.

So when ya gonna post on the KT again so folks here can think we're the same people...LOL!. As you can see none of that stuff scared me off-but I do have trouble getting in here lots, but some of the folks told me when I posted on it that thats pretty normal. Anyhow not to hijack yer thread here...I liked kendall's post: "I wish I knew what God wants." Must be an awesome burden those fellas have eh?

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:18 AM

Some people are quite sure they know what God wants. Just ask 'em. ;-) Some have radio shows about it and make big bucks. Sounds to me like Nagin got a little carried away with his oratory, but it's not unusual for people to think that a disaster is God's punishment on a wicked humanity.

In the case of our society's industrial pollution causing global warming and quite possibly contributing to more extreme weather, you could sort of see a kind of retribution in what happened this past year...by Mother Nature or by "God" (however you define what's out there). After all, what is Mother Nature but the most easily observable face of God? (assuming you can relate to such a concept in the first place)

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:31 AM

"Some people are quite sure they know what God wants."

Wonder what George would have to say about that?

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:34 AM

I heard it twisted another way. God punished New Orleans for all of it's sin, homosexuality, and perversion.

Actually, that makes some sense. I wonder if Nagin will buy that.

Annony Mouse, you mean you are not me? You mean, the Mudcat far-left liberal elite were wrong on something? Oh Heavens, no. that just can't be. They are never wrong about anything.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: GUEST,Anonny Mouse
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:49 AM

Quote from Little Hawk: "In the case of our society's industrial pollution causing global warming and quite possibly contributing to more extreme weather, you could sort of see a kind of retribution in what happened this past year...by Mother Nature or by "God" (however you define what's out there). After all, what is Mother Nature but the most easily observable face of God? (assuming you can relate to such a concept in the first place)"

Gotcha LH...and if yer looking at whether we're being good stewards of the planet-and not just the U.S. of A.-but EVERYONE--then it's a worthy sort of argument. Nagin's quote didn't come off tho, with that in mind I don't believe. I don't cast him in quite the same ilk as Robertson tho who would like you to believe him and Him are on a consultation basis...and oh yeah, BTW, send yer $$$ to CBN soon or you may burn.

MG--I think mainly Bobert figgers I am you and you are me and we are all together coo coo ca-choo. But I ain't the Walrus--I'm the MOUSE. And we gotta get our bi-polar personality down--it's AnoNNy-not ANNony--don't cheese me off.

Subject: RE: BS: New Orleans mayor: god's punishment
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:51 AM

Anonny, I would never want you to go smegma on me.