BS: Noted without comment (2)

Subject: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 02:57 PM

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: 'I don't really understand. How is the new plan going to fix the problem?'

Verbatim response: PRESIDENT BUSH:

'Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, supposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red.'

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 04:24 PM

Needless to say:

HUH??!!

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 04:27 PM

Impressive. Food for thought. Ummm.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 04:38 PM

Noted without comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 04:52 PM

"I am the Preznit! I don't answer to you; you answer to me...."

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 05:17 PM

= "I'm rich. Fuck the poor... even if I don't understand how I am doing it." What an asshole... arrogant at that.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:12 PM

That explains a lot!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Desdemona
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:14 PM

"What a terrible thing it is to lose one's mind..."

Seriously, listening to that man makes me feel as if I've been taking crazy pills.

~D

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:47 PM

For maximum contrast, see the writings of Robert B. Reich. Everything I've read by him is of exemplary clarity and logic. I suppose it comes from years of teaching economics. Oh, yes, he's very liberal. And very short.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:00 PM

I have read that statement by Bush before. This has to be the tenth or so time I have read it. Folks, I didn't do enough of ANYthing in the 1960s to really understand what he meant. Can anyone help?

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:09 PM

GOT IT.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: 'I don't really understand. How is the new plan going to fix the problem?'

Verbatim response: PRESIDENT BUSH:

'Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers [he has Dinky toys before him]. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table [some benefits are also before him on the table]. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases [wage increases and price increases are the SAME THING]. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered [he has a Dinky toy race car, Indie-type car before him]. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be [pass the joint over here, Dick]-- or closer delivered to that has been promised [someone ordered a pizza]. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the [TAPE UNCLEAR HERE--it may have been "Pass the fu#kin' joint for the second time, SDick" or "Man. this is really good grass".]-- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation [imagine if you will a hot air balloon], supposed to wage increases [he missed sentence construction the day they taught it in school]. There is a reform that would help solve the red [likely a reference to Russia, they being known as reds to his Dad's generation] if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red [detente is important to world peace, so we are going to help Russia].'

OK, I understand it now. The rest of you lot, just eat yer hearts out.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:11 PM

Either that or he is an agent working for a foreign power (the White House I'd guess) and it is code for something. I'll have to give this more consideration.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:15 PM

if that growth is affected, it will help on the red

Sounds like a communist plot to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:25 PM

well, it's obvious that facilitating the economic transmogrifiers in a multi-platform endeavor can't reduce the monetary redundancies that confuse his more easily befuddled questioners, but why couldn't he just SAY "m'am, I don't have a clue about that shit"?

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:02 PM

If he'd tried to say that, Bill, it woulda come out as "m'am, I don't give a shit about that clue".

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:10 PM

Gotta hide them pretzels better...

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:25 PM

Bobert, put more of 'em out. Odds are . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:25 PM

See also here

And

here

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:09 PM

Aw shoot. I was hoping that Doug or Martin would pop in and wxplain this thing to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Deda
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:41 PM

As usual, he's as clear as mud. Can't wait for the autopsy on his brain.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: bobad
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:23 AM

I think it's already been done.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:39 AM

what do you think?
he can't be really stupid, he's the President.
he's obviously not very good at explaining things - but you'd think that would be a requisite of the job.
did he talk like this before he got the job, perhaps its all got too much for him.

either way, an awful lot of blame must devolve upon the democrats for choosing a candidate who couldn't be more impressive than this bloke.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 12:16 PM

Just goes to show--some children should be left behind.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Col K
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:36 PM

To have an autopsy on his brain implies that he has one !!!!
Some people doubt that

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:48 PM

dick Greenhaus, here's an explanation for you.

You were not there to actually witness this discussion, nor have you given any credit to where it came from and personally I trust that you interpret very little nor want to that this and many other things that do not fit into your sorry ass radical lifestyle. Must be a sad life you have just sitting around and starting threads like this.

Threads that are basically just heresay and nothing more.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:53 PM

hearsay

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:05 PM

well, Martin, there are dozens of pages of closely documented quotes of GW making similar remarks....if it were a Democrat talking like that, I have no doubt you'd be willing to note how ridiculous they are..

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:25 PM

But Martin...it's a verbatim quote...!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:07 PM

well for him or against him,...its not very impressive.

I think if you feel that he's not a good hearted person, it will confirm your suspicions - if you like him, I suppose you will make allowances.

we all say dumb things, but as his job is President, this chap is supposed not to - he's supposed to be good at this sort of thing.

You're bound to think....well what else is he not very good at.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:08 PM

Well, let's see. The economy is doing quite well and unemployment is now quite low again.

Yes, he is not that great of a speaker. But he still was able to win or keep pace with Kerry in the debates and did well enough in them. Not everyone can be a perfect speaker all of the time. Many who are usually are the best at bullshitting and lip service.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:19 PM

ALL of the time? The man has never put a coherent thought into words unless his scriptwriter was there with a prompter sheet. And you know that, pal. No sense carrying hypocrisy to extremes of triviality!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:26 PM

mG-
I just wanted to know what he meant. I have a deep personal concern with what's being done with Medicare. And, by the way, a direct quote isn't hearsay, regardless of what they teach journalism minors.

And, by the way, as someone who's been a registered Republican since the early 60s, I'm curious as to what you mean by my "radical lifestyle".

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:46 PM

You have not given any credit for where your so-called direct quote is from, Gashouse. You seem to not be much of a reporter. Your post is hearsay and holds no water. It is meaningless.

Amos, you have absolutely zero proof of what you say either. Just rant/hate, rant/hate, rant/hate, rant/hate, etc.

You also are completely negative biased and cannot be taken seriously. You have no rational thought on the matter, because day after day you show how irrational you are.

So let's see what kind of swear words and childish insults you come up with next. You see, Amos. You really are not one of Mudcat's more refreshing minds. Just a tired same old, same old rant, that's all. Why don't you bail for a while, pal and not make everyday here like a rerun on TV Land?

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Deda
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 12:14 AM

Not only can GWB not string together a coherent sentence, but neither could his father. I've long thought that Yale University should lose its accreditation over the lousy way these two alumni mangle the English language. Yale has graduated a fair number of brilliant writers and speakers over the years, it should never have let these guys slip through.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 12:25 AM

M.Gibson-
You can check out the quote from the following Pinko Liberal Anti-American website:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/02/20050204-13.html

Furthermore, I don't recall using any swear words or personal insults in this thread, unless calling you a journalism minor counts as such. And I get your name right when I use it.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 01:33 PM

Dick Greenhaus:

You'll have to cut Martin some slack. The RW "spinners" and sycophants are having a rough time of it nowadays, and are prone to irritation at the fact their incompetency, crimes, and frauds are becoming blindingly obvious. They see the house of cards starting to tumble down, and are a bit paniced at the prospect that they will be the laughing stock for decades (if not amongst those that are imprisoned). And you'll have to excuse Martin's lack of scholarship; he's been told for quite a while that the only "truth" he needs to pay attention to comes from the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity ... and Scottie McClellan. It's rather sad, but they dug their own hole, so my sympathy for them is in somewhat sholrt supply.

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 01:34 PM

Dick's clicky...

The White House

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 03:18 PM

He's a very poor speaker, ok. He's hard to follow & his grammer is some what below average ok, we know that too & that his command on the english langauge isn't as great as his peers but so what, doesn't mean he shouldn't speak. And it true many times he just doesn't make sense. And it's ok that he doesn't know how government works "The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law" (quote, Austin, Texas 11/22/00). Yes & it's ok too if he not sure of where he comes from "I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's close to California. In more ways than Washington, DC, is close to California." (quoted in the LA Times 4/8/00). And it's understandable while under the pressures of a debate that some statements sounds unbeliveable "I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a whole lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question" (in response to a question about whetherhe wished he could take back any of his answers in the 1st debate, Reynoldsburg, Ohio; 10/4/00). Yes this is all well & good & it's ok coming from a 4th grader, BUT NOT FROM THE LEADER OF OUR NATION.
Disclaimer:
All of the above quotes are exact.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 03:20 PM

So the economy's doing well. Last week there was a guy on here saying that you were in squillions of debt.

that's the trouble with you Americans - you're all singing from different hymn sheets

let's hope Martin is right. If America goes into meltdown, we're all in the shit - worldwide

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 04:42 PM

Dick Gashouse, the second part of my post was directed to Amos, not you regarding swear words. That is obvious if you read what I wrote and not in such a huff and puff to rant. The quote is not credible and just comes across as your far left liberal agenda. It serves no purpose except to be a subject of a rant of yours. bitching everyday like the likes of you, bobert, Arne/Acne, and a few others do has not solved any problems, just shows how much you hate one man.

Acne, I mean Arne, I do not listen to Limbaugh or Hannity. I do not need to for good info on who the old doper hippie misfits are. You come through as one loud and clear. Isn't it time you got lilly high again and pretended you were in 1969 or something? Far out, Arne. the revolution will not be televised. Neither will your life or comments. The plot is way too thin and is a rerun.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 05:07 PM

Martin Gibson:

Acne, I mean Arne,...

Whatcha gonna do when I don't cry, Martin? Go home to your momma and tell her that someone's being mean to you?

I do not listen to Limbaugh or Hannity.

Then you're in even worse shape that I imagined. It's clear you don't actually read any of the fewer and fewer credible sources of news. All well and fine with me, Martin, you can go back to your Weekly Reader now.

As for the rest of your ad hominem dribble, I'd say you'd be better served learning to click on blue clickies and typing in words in the Google search box than in continuing to attempt to insult me. Is that clear?

One thing of note: You seem to have dismissed the Dubya quote as being so egregious ("The quote is not credible") that it had to have been manufactured. I'd say that if it came as a surprise to you, you certainly haven't been paying attention. But now that you know, maybe time for a re-evaluation of your assumptions, eh?

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 05:34 PM

I am one hundred percent in agreement with Martin Gibson's assessment of the source Dick Greenhaus has given for the Bush quote in his opening post in this thread. That website definitely has zero credibility.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 05:47 PM

OMIGOD!

Now that we have destroyed the credibility of the independence of Teribus, the Bush Regime has employed the 'Mudcat Voice of Reason' Martin Gibson to terrify us 'dangerous intellectuals'!

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 07:59 PM

The trouble with what President Bush said is that, well, the economic indicators of the red are, you know--if they were where the black should be and would be if the red wasn't, then in a few years we could look forward to a backward glance and see the red not there.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 08:01 PM

ROTFLMAO, Peace.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 09:06 PM

CarolC:

I am one hundred percent in agreement with Martin Gibson's assessment of the source Dick Greenhaus has given for the Bush quote in his opening post in this thread. That website definitely has zero credibility.

LOL!!! But ... be careful. The likes of Martin who haven't learned to click blue clickies yet may take your comments to heart, and think they're vindicated. Yes, it can be a problem trying to poke fun at those too stoopid to know they've been skewered. Alas. But don't feel too bad; they already have a terrible burder to bear.

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 09:20 PM

I didn't hoist him. It was his own petard. I just took a moment to enjoy the effect.

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 10:31 PM

"Martin"--

"Anus and Acne"--that's right, Martin, let's dehumanize our opponents. So, let's see now--who's famous for that? Well, look at that, Martin has adopted Nazi tactics. Gee, I thought you were against such things. Guess I was wrong.

On the other hand, nobody has to dehumanize you, Martin--you do a sterling job of it yourself. Congratulations.

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:16 AM

Ron Davies, I know when I have succeeded in irritating you when all you can do is come back and accuse me of being a Nazi. It's like, what else is there you can come back with.

You like all cowards, can sure dish it out but can't take it, Ronny baby. You are quite the whiner and of course quite the modeler of the best in pantywear. No shit, I got something like 8 or 10 PMs from some pretty cool people who can't get over how clever Anus and Acne is.

(radio voice) Now playing on the Mudcat National Network, the adventures of Anus and Acne. Two far left, angry left wing nuts with on-going anger and rant about how they hate their country's President and government. In tonight's action packed episode, Kingfish Ron Davies is forced to have coffee at Starbucks.

Carol C, you and Osama are in the same category when it comes to trusting what you both say. I sure don't. Never have, never will.

Having fun and laughing my ass off at you old dopers!

Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:43 AM

Well, I hate to say it, but it's fairly easy to see why Marty is "having fun and laughing my ass off." He's got you all focusing your attention on him. The comments and insults he dishes out amply demonstrate that he doesn't have anything substantive to add to the discussion. He's like a barking dog who wants attention.

Ignore him and get on with the discussion.

Don Firth