BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 11:44 PM

Probably.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 11:43 PM

And can a Jew (or Christian) become a citizen in Saudi Arabia??

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 11:36 PM

There are other differences in their rights, artbrooks. If an Arab Israeli marries a Palestinian, that Arab Israeli does not have the right to live with his or her spouse in Israel, and the spouse does not have a right to become an Israeli citizen, but Israeli Jews have the automatic right to have their spouses live with them in Israel, and for their spouses to become Israeli citizens. If an Arab Israeli gives birth in a hospital in the occupied Palestinian areas to a Palestinian spouse, that Arab Israeli doesn't have the right to expect that her child will have Israeli citizenship. If an Arab Israeli supports the idea of Palestinian "right of return", that Arab Israeli can be barred from serving in the Knesset. And there are other differences.

This article gives some background on Israel's discriminatory property laws and practices...

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:hpoghRXulG8J:www.cohre.org/downloads/palestine/P3-mediarelease.doc+%22property+laws%22+israel&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8

And some non-Jewish Israelis consider being barred from the Israeli military to be a big disadvantage because many of the material benefits in Israeli society are only accorded to those who serve in the Israeli military. So that, in itself, is a form of discrimination.

None of these things would be tolerated here in the United States.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 11:31 PM

Art Brooks .. re: "Non-Jewish citizens of Israel have the right not to be drafted."

"Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory conscription in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). This exemption was made out of consideration for their family, religious and cultural affiliations with the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world, given the on-going conflict. Still, volunteer military service is encouraged and IDF service was made mandatory for Druze men at the request of their community leaders."

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 10:56 PM

More facts about Arab citizens in Israel:

Ariel Sharon's 2001 cabinet included as a minister an Israeli Arab, Salah Tarif, and in March of 2005 Oscar Abu Razaq was appointed Director General of the Ministry of Interior.

And in the 1999 Miss Israel, Rana Raslan, an Arab.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 10:52 PM

CarolC. if you are indeed a Jew, and a self-loathing one, I am proud to not have you as part of the Jewish community. There are self-loathing Jews who have a hard time coming to grips with their culture, their religion, their people. Too many have worked hard for generations to let people like you really get in the way. There will always be some like yourself. It's you who is the square peg in the round hole. By admitting that you are one, you prove the outcast you have made yourself. You do very little good, just cause devisifness. None of your fanaticism will ever be implicated so stay in your own little world/trailer.

Jaze, ultra conservative right wingers are a problem also, but not with antisemitism for the most part. If so, they just do not pose any threat to Israel. In fact, they tend to support Israel. Otherwise, I have very little use for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 10:49 PM

Carol what the f&$k are you talking about?

"non-Jews in Israel do not have full constitutional rights as citizens."

Non-Jews and that includes Arabs do have full citizenship and equal protection of the law in Israel. There where ten Israeli Arabs sitting as members of the 16th Knesset (there are a total of 120 seats). There is an Arab judge sitting in their supreme court.

More than you can say about the rights a Jew would have in Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Syria ... one sided view you do have and I do sense slight prejudice there.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: artbrooks
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 10:35 PM

Non-Jewish citizens of Israel have the right not to be drafted.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: jaze
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 10:28 PM

On the other hand, Martin, some feel that Ultra/fanatical right-wing conservatives are the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 08:01 PM

I knew that Carol - but in a whole range of matters non-Jewish Israelis do have citizenship in, a way that their opposite numbers in, for example the old South Africa or the old American South did not. (And in the light of those examples, I think that is something for which Israelis could take some pride.)

The implication of this shared citizenship is that calls for Israel to respect the rights of refugees from the very same community cannot fairly as rejected out of hand as "anti-Israel". Including the right of return for these refugees.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 07:32 PM

Yes, I saw it, Martin. And I am proud to be included in the company of the people your buddies at FLAME are calling "self-loathing Jews".

Although I am having some difficulty figuring out how "self-loathing Jew" can be considered anything other that an anti-Semitic slur.

McGrath, non-Jews in Israel do not have full constitutional rights as citizens. There are some rights that Jewish Israelis have that Israelis who are not Jewish do not have.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Peace
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 07:32 PM

Nutmeg is the seed of Myristica fragrans, and the spice 'mace' is the external cover of the nutmeg. I love freshly ground nutmeg on pasta with butter, grated parmesan cheese, salt and pepper.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Arne
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 06:15 PM

According to the Connecticut State Library, "Nutmegger" came to refer to residents of Connecticut, the Nutmeg State, but how the state received that nickname is unclear.

I've heard it said (don't know how truthfully) that it came from peddlers selling wooden (i.e. fake) nutmegs (as you mention). Because I know for a fact I haven't seen a single nutmeg tree in Connecticut in all the time I lived there.....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 05:53 PM

As I understand it, the original vision of Zionism was that the Holy Land should become the country which all Jews could see as home, and where they should be free to go and live if they chose, alongside the people who were already living there. This would have meant a state where Jews and non-Jewish Arabs were present in more or less equal numbers.

In 1948 there was a tragic war, which led to most of the non-Jewish people living within the territory set up as Israel becoming refugees. Because of a further tragic series of events the refugees were never allowed to return home.

The outcome has been an Israel where non-Jews have been a relatively small minority, not at all in line with what the original Zionists envisaged. However the idea has rooted itself that this situation is a defining characteristic of Israel, and that any right of return for the refugees and their descendants is by definition hostile to Israel as such.

However it is worth noting that throughout this whole period Israel has continued to recognise that those Arab who remained within the new state had full constitutional rights as citizens. Israel's Jewish majority has never fallen into the trap of restricting citizenship to Jews, which is something which could easily have happened. If Israel was to extend that citizenship to returning refugees it would be in line with this honourable precedent, and with the vision of the original Zionists. In a sense what would be involved would not be the destruction of Israel, but its restoration.

In practice a two-states-in-partnership solution, under which there would be a right of return to the Palestinian state for all descendants of refugees, is a more realistic way of trying to entangle the knot.

What would make it more realistic would be for this to be accompanied by a right of return to their original homeland for the dwindling numbers of first generation refugees, who had lived in the territory of what became Israel. This would not threaten the existing majority status of Jewish Israelis, but could make it a lot easier for the Palestinian Diaspora to accept the past and move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 05:27 PM

How about Connecticut Yankees ? It was good enough for Mark Twain.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Nutmegger
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 05:08 PM

Nutmegger

According to the Connecticut State Library, "Nutmegger" came to refer to residents of Connecticut, the Nutmeg State, but how the state received that nickname is unclear. A nutmegger may have been a peddler who sold nutmegs. It is difficult to imagine someone making a living off of a single product, perhaps the peddler sold spices. The alternative story is that nutmegger was a shrewd and ingenious con artist who whittled nutmegs from wood and peddled the fakes to gullible housewives.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 05:06 PM

Greg F, Carol C, wesley s. and assorted flavorless guests.

check out the FLAME article and read about yourself!

Ultra/fanatical liberalism is at the core of a lot of problems it seems.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 04:25 PM

Connectinut ??

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 04:20 PM

I actually have no idea, LH. Good question though.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 04:11 PM

I see. Just wondering...what does one call a person from Connecticut? Nothing obvious comes to mind...

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 03:33 PM

Yes, but it's not that far away, is it?

A million miles, LH, if you're a Rhode Islander (as I am by birth).

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 03:01 PM

Yes, but it's not that far away, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 02:59 PM

Lovecraft's from Providence, Rhode Island, not CT.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 02:20 PM

New Haven, eh? Hmmm. I wonder if there is a link to the H.P.Lovecraft mythos here? Perhaps Bush is part of the spawn of Cthulhu. That could explain a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 02:17 PM

He was born in New Haven Conneticut. That's closer to Canada than Texas. Look it up on a friggin' map.

Ya damn Yankees !

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 02:15 PM

Omigosh. That was sneaky, wasn't it? Sorry about that oversight.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 02:13 PM

Can I PLEASE reming you all for 537th time that George W Bush is NOT a Texan ! He was born in New England and came here with his family to make money. That makes him a carpetbagger.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 02:12 PM

Texans! I hate 'em...

ARGH! I didn't mean that. Bad! Bad! (bashing my head against the wall repeatedly)

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 02:08 PM

Lemme see if I've got this right. . . .

YOU CANNOT BE ANTI-TEXAS AND NOT BE UN-AMERICAN!!!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 02:02 PM

LOL! You are SO right, Wesley. Hatred of Texas and Texans is endemic to most of the World these days, I find. Shocking. It is criminal of this forum to pander to people who engage in blatant Anti-Texan rhetoric, and it must be stopped!

I find my own Anti-Texan proclivities quite disturbing. Every time I see George Bush I think, "Goddamn know-nothing Texan prick...", and then I catch myself in horror, realizing that I have once again fallen into the grip of mindless Anti-Texanism.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 01:56 PM

Little Hawk has proved my point that there is rampent Mudcat Anti-Texanism polluting this website and it is at an all-time high here.

It's really pretty disgusting how this type of hate is allowed here by this group of supporters of Canada. I think that it brings great shame to this web-site.

Mr. Max Spiegel, who sounds like he could be a Texan and owns this site, apparently allows this Anti-Texanism to flourish here.

I just don't get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 01:32 PM

I didn't realize anyone had bothered to do a "Guest, Raptor" posting. Where is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Raptor
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 01:25 PM

None of the GUEST Raptor postings are mine, I would never say that!

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 01:19 PM

I have visited Texas, and I'd have to say that it has its good points. Austin is a great music town, for instance. On the whole, though, I do like Canada a bit better. It's definitely "nicer". You are less likely to get shot by someone in Canada, and the police are more easygoing here. But that's just my subjective opinion, no more important than anyone else's.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 01:13 PM

And BTW, I am not a Democrat.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 01:08 PM

Litte Hawk - On what first hand knowledge are you basing your claim that "Canada is way nicer than Texas". Have you visited here or are you basing your opinion on internet rumors ?? Fess up.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 01:01 PM

Nice imitation, pal. ;-) I hope people here realize that I never, never, and absolutely never will post as "Guest, Little Hawk" on this forum. Never. Not even once. So if you see such a post, it's not from me.

Now, I have a few things to say. Shatner is the greatest. Canada rules. Winona Ryder has lovely eyes. Canada is way nicer than Texas. DougR needs to be re-educated as to the true meaning of the word "liberal". I've been to Nevada...don't bother going unless it's to see the mountains. Shatner is Canada's greatest gift to the World. Hamsters are fun. So are dachshunds. Shambles needs a new hobby. Clinton Hammond is an unpleasant jerk, but deep down he is almost worth knowing. Mangos are the best fruit of all.

Thank you very much.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 12:55 PM

None of the GUEST,CarolC posts in this thread are from me.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Alba
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 12:29 PM

So Martin's Parents or one of his Parents is an Israeli that returned to the USA then.
I had wondered if this was the case after reading his comments regarding his right to Israeli Citizenship on this Thread.
Now if Martin had made this information clearer way back at the beginning of this Thread it would have saved a lot of bother I think.
Thank you for the info #6:)

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 12:22 PM

But you do care otherwise you wouldn't have posted a reply "as if I care" to your own post

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 12:14 PM

I did not post the last Guest, Martin Gibson post. I am almost always logged in.

That last post was by one of Mudcat's most famous ultra liberal posters who is always pissed off with me, as If I care.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 12:01 PM

Regarding Israeli citizinship .... a child born outside of Israel who has at least one parent that is an Israeli citizen, will automatically be granted Israeli citizinship.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 11:02 AM

I'm sick and tired of all this sexist crap.

What about UNCLE-Semitism?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Little Hawk
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 10:56 AM

Don't think your out of this SHATNER SHATNER CANADA RULES aswell Mr D, your scribblings have not gone unnoticed by the Director of Mudcat who LOVE ME LOVE ME I'M A LIBERAL sees all and knows all. This is the playground of people who like a family get together LONG WINDED REPLIES TO AZIZ SHATNER SHATNER assume their roles with silk like ease, GOD BLESS CANADA SHATNER.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 10:51 AM

"stream of consciousness"? How 'bout a "trickle of semi-comatose silliness"?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 10:43 AM

Why thank you Amos and may your sarcasm last a thousand thousand years and lift us from our soured egos

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Amos
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 10:37 AM

This is the most sensitive and insightful portrayal of the real human stream-of-consciousness since Ulysses. To think an important literary movement could be reborn here in the entrails of the 'Cat!





A

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 10:32 AM

I think what Martin is trying to say is OCCUPATION OCCUPATION LEFT WING DING-A-LING that he has become a cartoon of BUSH BUSH HATE HATE DOWN WITH NEOCONS himself and that mudcat is now an internet BURN BURN FLAG FLAG PALESTINE LOVEFEST pantomine with each player to their own role, myslef included DEATH TO THE REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRAT DEMOCRAT.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Raptor
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 09:36 AM

Seriously man deep breaths.

Mabey try some pot.

You gotta lay off the java.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Gervase
Date: 01 Feb 06 - 09:35 AM

Martin, have you taken any medication today?