BS: Animal Terrorists

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: number 6
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 07:40 PM

Peace .... yes, Vegans do originate from a different star system.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Raptor
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 07:07 PM

Do you have an opinion on this topic or do you just need a little attention?

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Raptor
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 07:04 PM

Greg F
Thank you for contributing such a valuable comment!
Your insight into this discussion will be taken with a lot of consideration.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Raptor
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 07:01 PM

SRS what are you saying? I'm not sure I get your point.


An activist is called a terrorist by someone who disagrees with them. Sounds Familiar eh? "If you don't see things my way your a Terrorist So lets have a war on terror!"

Wasn't that said by a Lunatic?

If you'd seen the video of mascarra testing done on animals so they could say "tearproof" and you didn't get sick, you are one sorry bastard.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 06:50 PM

I'm just against ... loudmouths.

Raptor

Then... yer against yerself ??

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Peace
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 06:37 PM

Vegans: don't they come from another star system?

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 06:14 PM

If cancer afflicted approximately one in hundred of the population in the Victorian era, and now afflicts one in three (and rising), that's a pretty fair pre-suppositional question, given animal based cancer research has done sweet FA to allieviate this.

This was a moral point, in the whole post Wolfgang.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 06:00 PM

Or why cancer is spiralling out of control despite more than a hundred years of animal reseach. (smiler)

A presuppositional question of the finest type. What you presuppose in the question is wrong, actually.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 05:39 PM

I'm a lunatic too Raptor!!
And I agree with you and smiler big time.
Killing animals for fun and torturing animals for research is a crime in my book.
As is the intensive farming of animals, who are deprived of any quality of life and are presented, wrapped in clingfilm, on supermarket shelves...by the pound!!

New trick by the manufacturers of cosmetics and household chemicals.

Their packs of shampoo of detergent state..."This product has not been tested on animals", by in reality the active constituents of the product have been heavily tested on animals....Check this out.

If you care about animal torture, only buy products which state..."Neither this product nor any of its components have been tested on animals"

Environmental protection issues,which include the fight for animal welfare and opposition to business interests which seek to degrade our natural environment, will be the most effective means of protest for those of us who wish to see a better future for our planet...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 05:38 PM

A moral fabric pervades this entire universe. You do good you get good back. You do evil you get evil back.

Does the vivisection lab exist alone, outside of the rest of the universe, in a moral vacuum?

Let's see some research such as the links between vaccines and auto-immune diseases for a start. Or why cancer is spiralling out of control despite more than a hundred years of animal reseach.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 05:35 PM

Un-necessary animal testing. This is the exact point. If they are conducting experiments in the US and UK, the scientists involved have to prove that the exeriment they wish to perform is needed, there is no alternative, and it uses as few animals as possible.

So lets terrify people, to make things worse for the animals.....

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 05:34 PM

One problem that environmentalists have is that much of the general public outside of the environmental and animal rights movements tend to lump the two together, and in most instances they couldn't be further apart.

Both groups have their warrior-types, but the animal rights folks can be unnecessarily destructive and vindictive in their acts of "liberation." And these bleeding-hearts seem to have no understanding that animals that are accustomed to shelter and regular feedings can't just go outside and take care of themselves. They starve, are attacked by other animals, and are hit by cars more than anything else.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Raptor
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 05:03 PM

I think they should do thier experiments on people. People who think its allright to torture animals.

Am I a lunatic? I guess fuckin so!

I haven't met a folksinging actor who wasn't so full of himself that he thought that anyone gave a shit what he thought.

Not all expirments are torture. I know that.

I eat meat.

I wear leather.

I'm just against UNnessary animal testing, And loudmouths.

Raptor

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: number 6
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 04:29 PM

Peace .... I beleive you are referring to vegans, not vegetarians.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 04:26 PM

Clintonhammond was never fortunate enough to meet trained doctors and anti-vivisectionists such as Albert Schweitzer, Mahatma Gandhi, and Leonardo Da Vinci (who incidently was a world expert on anatomy).

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Peace
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 04:15 PM

Well, I would assume that first ya look amongst the vegetarian crowd. And they won't be wearing leather (suede), real fur or using any meds that were tested on animals or humans.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 04:14 PM

Why is it necessarily poorer conditions abroad? An instrument of torture is an instrument of torture anywhere.

As these places are regulated by those who are professional animal torturers themselves, and no-one else is allowed in, one can only guess that all manner of brutalities take place inside.

If such groups as Speak and the ALF bring this shameful practice to public attention, I support them.

Why keep it our dirty little secret?

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Cluin
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 03:29 PM

I have yet to meet an "Animal Rights Activist".

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 03:26 PM

I have yet to meet an "Animal Rights Activist" that wasn't a total lunatic

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 03:18 PM

I quite agree, and ditto for the US of A.

Subject: BS: Animal Terrorists
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 02 Feb 06 - 02:59 PM

Animal rights activists in Oxford, (UK), protesting against the building of a new Biomedical Science lab have now targeted the entire University of Oxford- ie all and any of its staff, students, buildings, or anyone who has dealings with the Universty in any way have been described as 'valid targets'. Spokesmen have also threatened the entire City of Oxford.


It is time to group these people, who genuinely terrorise along with any other terrorists and criminals, and lock them up. The fact they are often female, often middle class, often middle aged should not stop us looking at what they do: Burning cars, threating workers and their families, kidnapping the body of the grandmother of a target.

All of this is bad, but they do not think what will happen if they succeed in driving this research out of Britian. Instead of as few animals as possible being used, in the best conditions in the world, this research will go abroad , and more animals will be experimented on, in poorer conditions.

These people are mad, bad and dangerous to know.