BS: Is it bigamy?

Subject: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Bagpuss
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 05:44 AM

Just musing, not thinking of doing it....

It is against the law to be married to 2 people at once, and I am pretty sure you can only have one civil partnership at a time. But what if you are married, and enter into a same sex civil partnership? Are there actually any laws against this or is there a nice little loophole needing to be closed?

(yes, I'm bored)

Bagpuss

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: gnu
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 06:03 AM

...."not thinking of doing it...."

That's bigayou.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Bagpuss
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 06:05 AM

I set em up....

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 06:51 AM

In one recent case of an elderly male who married a young trophy bride and was happily married to her for a number of years, his children protested his will on grounds that "she" was originally a male and had undergone sex-change treatments to become physically female. The state supreme court ruled that her "birth sex" was irrevocable, that the marriage was unlawful, and the children were intitled to all of his estate.

Based on this precedent, a female who was treated to become physically male, could marry any male, and any male who was treated to become physically a female could marry any female. So gay marriage remains legal everywhere under these certain conditions.

Yes?

No?

Opinions?

John

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: jonm
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 06:58 AM

Regardless of the nature of religious or non-secular ceremony you couch it in, marriage is a civil partnership agreement involving the signing of a register. The law says you can only do this once, regardless of the gender of the other party.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:11 AM

Infamy infamy, they've all got it in for me.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: gnu
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:13 AM

Well, one at a time, in most cultures.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:54 AM

Sex change does NOT equate to "gay," JiK.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 07:57 AM

Either way, it is betrayal of who you are married to and in a sense, adultry.

And the one you are married to has a right to think you were a piece of fecal matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 09:13 AM

I knew a ship's officer once who married and had two kids with a gal, and later decided he needed a sex-change operation to become the owman he had always been inside, and he did. (S)he brieflyu became a cause celebre in the transgender world, writing a book about it and so on. But then he took up with another woman and lived as a lesbian. Never heard how that turened out; but was it a gay relationship? Or, if birth sex is irrevocable, was it merely a heterosexual affair using unusual commercially provided equipment?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 09:25 AM

I discussed the issue with all my wives and girlfriends and came up without an answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: open mike
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 10:07 AM

mileage may differ in Utah

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 10:11 AM

Seems to me -- and I admit being a conservative where genetics is involved -- your sex is determined by your chromosones. XY and you're male, XX and you're female (yes, I'm aware of XXY and XXX and similar, rare, variations).

This being the case, surgery and hormones won't change your sex.

Now, IF we ever get to the place where you can change your genetic makeup, then you'll be able actually change your sex.

Ergo, the judge's ruling (in my opinion) is correct.

Having said all that, let's agree that "gender" is what you think you are. Your sex could be male (XY) and you think you're female (XX). I don't have a problem with you surgically changing your outward sexual characteristics -- that's your decision. But genetically you're still XY.

Cross-dressing -- tranvestism -- is a different kettle of fish. Feel free to do so, but please use the correct restroom or a unisex one.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 12:38 PM

JohnInKansas, I can't get your logic on this one. The court decided the marriage was invalid because the bride was genetically male; as I understand it, that would in no way support the legality of same sex marriage.
Maybe Kansas should start requiring chromosone testing before marriage; can't be too careful in sticking to Biblical standards, y'know...(Sorry John; yes, I know the difference between the the circus in your state legislature and your position.)

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 12:53 PM

Anybody see irony in reading posts from somebody named "frogprince" in a thread like this?
-Joe Offer-

Sorry, Frogprince.... [grin]

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 02:02 PM

So Wutzyer point, Joe? Frogs come in male and female; I don't know if they ever do gay stuff or not. Now if I was frogqueen, I could at least see where that would raise some questions.
            frogprince

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 02:25 PM

http://pesticidefreeyards.org/PDF%20Files/Globe%20and%20Mail%20-%20Sexual%20Mutations%20in%20Frogs.pdf

why does this never work for me?

to sum up - Frogs CAN come in more than 2 genders :)

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 04:06 AM

There once was a fellow from Lyme
Who married three wives at one time.
When asked "Why the third?"
He replied "One's absurd,
And bigamy, Sir, is a crime!"

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 04:14 AM

Big Amy is a bird who used to drink in the Three Feathers in Ledbury.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Dead Horse
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 05:20 AM

I am a lesbian trapped inside a mans body!
I had the operation. Twice.
Couldnt come up with anything I liked.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Grab
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 08:29 AM

JonM's got it right. So you could technically be married in church to one, and have a civil partnership with another. But in law (and in any matters to do with the government), only the second will count for anything.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Janie
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 10:00 AM

Gender-identification and sexual orientation are two different issues. Sexual orientation refers to whether one prefers males or females for sexual partners. Gender-indentification refers which gender an individual experiences themselves as belonging to, irregardless of which sex one may prefer as a sexual partner.

Love,

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 10:20 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 10:30 AM

'Big' Amy is a bartender in one of my favorite watering holes.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 12:01 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Janie
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 12:03 PM

Yes?

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 12:37 PM

Then your dictionary spelled it wrong.... I'd write Random House and complain.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 12:43 PM

Yep - I'm always sticking a U in that word. Random House spells it as "irregardless"

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Janie
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 12:45 PM

Yeh Wes, but what does Random House know?

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 12:59 PM

It's just a flippin' dictionary.

I wonder if it has "Flippin'" there too.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 05:42 PM

"Regardless; a combination of irrespective and regardless sometimes used humorously"

Language am a slippery beast. Cain't control it NOhow when you let it out of the dictionaries and thesaurii and let the hoi-polloi use it!

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Deda
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 05:48 PM

Languages are all like orphans -- nobody raises them, they jes' grow, any which way.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: open mike
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 05:51 PM

but sexual orientation as it applies to the partner
of a partner with unique gender identification
could get complicated...

regardless or irregarless...

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Janie
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 05:57 PM

That's why, in the DSM-IV, Gender Identity Disorder choices for specifiers are---

attracted to males
attracted to females
attracted to neither

Then ya jus' doan gotta worry about it!

I'm being flippant here, but most transgender people have a very rough row to hoe.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 06:08 PM

Regardless or irregardless let me see if I have it correct...

The question is: Can you be married to one person and enter into a civil (same sex) prtnership with yet another person?

Legally, probably but it's going to copme down to how yer state law law defines civil "partnership" but...

the larger question is...

...why???

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 06:09 PM

I'd suspect that pretty well anywhere the second ceremony would be invalid, and that some kind of offence would be involved, if the existence of the first one had been concealed, and that would probably apply regardless of the sex of the people involved.

But whether it was countred as bigamy would depend on the legal position in the place where this was happening. It would in some countries, not in others.

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 07:22 PM

Breaths there a man with soul so tough
Who says "Two sexes aren't enough"?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: Terry Allan Hall
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 09:27 PM

Back to the frogs...if you keep 10 male (or female) frogs in a container, after a while 4 to 6 of them will morph into the opposite gender...works every time!

And, just because I'd like to get a little milage out of my Degree in Herpetology, there are no male Whiptail Lizards...every single one of them are female and can reproduce w/o ANY contact with any other Whiptail Lizard!

You're welcome! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Is it bigamy?
From: GUEST,Richard H
Date: 11 Feb 06 - 01:08 AM

Just when exactly did this one man/one wife idea come into being? Seems kinda unfair a guy like Solomon got to handle 1000 women (and the Queen of Sheba on the side) but we're supposed to get by with one.

What happens when she decides to shut up shop and you're stuck with that forsaking all other vow?

BTW, does "forsaking all other" apply to goats or only other women?