BS: Sorch Needs MudPower

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 12:42 PM

No....not eating, and worse again this morning...vomiting again, back on the Reglan, kidney level won't come down (BUN is 82, for those who know) and white count is back up to 25,000. They are going to try to get some nutrients into her blood from an IV....nobody knows why she isn't responding to the drugs......we are basket cases here.



PS...the sewer backed up this morning too...can't get hold of a plumber....

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 11:36 AM

All my life I had heard that salmon was oxic to dogs - it even had its own cognomen "salmon poisoning".

But in Alaska many a dog team lives entirely on salmon, raw, frozen, dried or in soups, makes no never mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Janie
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 11:32 AM

Is she eating yet?

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 11:00 AM

Thanks, Lily and Sooze...but it's not poison....NO lilies, no tabs, no rat poison...I make sure of that. It's really pancreatitis...vet doesn't thing she is really diabetic...yet....it's due to the pancreas kicking up. If we get this cleaned up fast enough, she may not get diabetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 06:40 AM

Hi Sorch...

pals dog got poisoned accidentally by rat poison the other day. That was very touch and go, but she made it. Similar symptoms, it was a warfarin type poison.

You don't have any pills/tablets about the place would you, or may be lillies (they are highly toxic). As are a lot of house plants, also in the garden there's lots to look out for, especially types of Euphorbias

As for food, over here they usually recommend, plain boiled chicken and plain boiled rice for starters.

Good luck

E>W>I>S

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: LilyFestre
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 05:37 AM

Sorch...just passing on what my vet does and we have had good results with. If you look at the ingredients on baby food, you will find that several add nothing. In addition, you can make your own....puree some meat with a little added water and bingo...you're good to go.   PB is only ever given in small doses so it isn't a concern....it does, however, contain sugar and if you are having to maintain really strict dietary rules in that department, skip the PB.

Does your vet think she is diabetic or the sugar is elevated just now due to being sick or meds she is on?

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Phot
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 04:56 AM

Lots of good thoughts and wishes from out here Sorch, lots of love and attention work wonders. Take care of you too.

Wassail!! Chris

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 01:36 AM

Hope the pup gets better soon, Sorch

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 01:18 AM

Here is an (I'm sure partial) list of human foods that are toxic to dogs...there are many, many more plants that make this list...indoor, outdoor, cutlvated, wild, etc....this is just some.

Pear pips, the kernels of plums, peaches and apricots, apple core pips (contain cyanogenic glycosides resulting in cyanide poisoning)
Potato peelings and green looking potatoes
Rhubarb leaves
Mouldy/spoiled foods
Alcohol
Yeast dough
Coffee grounds, beans & tea (caffeine)
Hops (used in home brewing)
Tomato leaves & stems (green parts)
Broccoli (in large amounts)
Raisins and grapes
Cigarettes, tobacco, cigars
Onion, garlic, all alliums
Chocolate
Peanuts, macadamia nuts
Mushrooms
Raw salmon
Cat food
Citrus oil and citrus fruit
Persimmons
Raw potato in large amounts

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Feb 06 - 01:11 AM

Folks, I hate to tell you this, but baby food often has onion powder in it...toxic to dogs. Peanuts therefore peanut butter and oil are also toxic....So is liver in large amts...esp if the liver enzymes are eleveted...glucose is right out because her blood sugar is already elvated....Trust me, I've done my homework on this one.

What she needs is to eat (appetite stimulant) and a long term low fat diet. But right now, ANY food she will take by mouth would be acceptable.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 10:27 PM

Re: Bert's suggestion-- a half-dead, half-frozen kitten was warmed and she revived. The vet added her favorite trick-- a dollop of Karo syrup. BINGO!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 10:19 PM

Yo Annie,

Okay, you've had yer fun with us and now it's time to eat... Sorry, no more people food 'cause it ain't really good fir ya but, hey, it ain't all that good fir us either, come to think of it...

Now, remember I told you that I know this feller who can make goggies well? Well, I been talkin' to Him and he says He wants you to eat yer food... No, there won't be no popcorn so might as well eat what yer mom is telling you to eat... Heck, I had to do it as a kid an' it ain't all that bad...

But, Annie, I belive that we can all get you feeling perky again but yer gonna have to eat... Okay???

Give yer mom a ((((big lick)))) fir me, will ya??

Uncle Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bert
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 10:18 PM

Don't be silly Garg ol' buddy.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: LilyFestre
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 09:52 PM

Hey Sorcha,

    Ask the vet for a large syringe minus the needle. Get yourself some baby food and gently use that to get the food back further into her mouth so she swallows (natural reflex). Do just a little at a time...we had to do this with my cat.

   Another trick we have used when we have sick dogs who aren't interested in food is to use peanut butter. Sometimes we put it on a cracker and they just lick it off...I know PB is high in fat but you can buy lower fat PB...high nutrition in small amounts. Another thing we do is to warm gravy , pour it over dry food and let it sit for a minute or so....so the gravy has some time to soak in a bit but still wet enough that the dog can lick just the gravy if she isn't interested in the softer food. Save the syringe for a last resort...you can be gentle with it but it still will make your pet anxious.

   I hope that might help. Love to you and Annie.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Alba
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 08:43 PM

"....just hope I'm not boring people..... "

Well Sorcha you most certainly are not boring me.
I am holding wee Annie in my thoughts here in Maine.
I love my Animals and I cannot bear the thought of any of them being sick or in pain.
I will be looking in for any updates if you have time to post.
{{{hugs}}} to Annie and to you Sorcha.
Love and Light
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bert
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 08:00 PM

If she's not eating then add a little glucose (or fructose) to her drinking water. It may give her enough energy to get her appetite back.

You can often buy glucose at an (East) Indian Grocery Store.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 07:49 PM

Actually, the only dietary restriction is low fat....and of course, non toxic stuff.....Mr MUST stop feeding her chips/crisps, buttered popcorn, etc.....or he will kill her. I think I have gotten thru to him about this....just hope I'm not boring people.....

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SunnySister
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 07:38 PM

Hi Sorcha,

I'm am going to think positive and believe that that's good news although not the best (good that her levels are coming down, but I know it must be frustrating about her not eating).

I am continuing to check this site for updates and appreciate your checking in with us. Please tell Annie that now is not the time to watch her girlish figure. I know also that the vet must have her on dietary restrictions which she might not like either- I am just hoping that she will let down her guard and be so happy to be home that she'll be happy to eat anything.

Continuing to send healing positive thoughts,
-- SunnySister

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 07:27 PM

For those of you who don't 'chat', Annies blood levels are going down slowly, and vet wants to send her home on Sat to see if she will eat here...she won't eat in hospital, not even for me.

If she doesn't eat at home she has to go back on Mon.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 07:29 AM

I was chatting to a lady friend today who has had similar symptoms on occasions - she mentioned that an aunt had died from pancreatic cancer. She agreed that she should see a doctor soon - she had been trying to claim that these little bouts of sickness for a few days were 'nothing really'.

When I mentioned to her about seeing the symptom on a thread about a dog - well, she was very nice and all, but...

I'm not making this up you know!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Hollowfox
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 07:39 PM

$#@! (That'll teach me not to lurk around here a bit more.) Well, I've got a nice purebred Midwest %$#@-reduction candle lined up for you lot when I get home from work tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: LilyFestre
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 03:19 PM

Got you and Annie on my mind today.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 02:49 PM

Only the gods know for sure.....IV fluids, anti nausea and antibiotics is about all that can be done.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: gnu
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 01:32 PM

And, the prognosis is???????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 01:29 PM

Just heard from the vet...she is a little better today, and yes, it IS pancreatitis.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 12:48 PM

Yes....LOTS of human food isn't good for dogs..onion, cukes, grapes/rasins, peanuts, peanut oil, canola oil, CHOCOLATE!!, this list is long...

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 12:17 PM

We almost killed a poodle by stupidly feeding her cucumbers.

IT was a near fatal digestive tract disaster.

I also heard chocolate is not good for dogs but dogs don't seem to thinks so :)

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 09:10 AM

Sorch,
I had a nasty old cat named Fred who was banned from two vets' offices. Big RED NASTY!!! on his chart. He ate some rope (don't ask) and tore up his intestines. His liver started to fail. After surgery, hours after surgery, they told me to come and get him - he was upsetting the other patients.
For a week I forced a malt paste down his throat and some water with a syringe. I bled. I cried. And I finally looked at him and said "Tomorrow, we end this". The old bastard stood up, went to the kitchen and ate. He pooped the next day and recovered.
You have my sympathy.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Essex Girl
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 08:54 AM

Hang in there Sorcha,best wishes for a complete recovery

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: pixieofdoom
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 05:45 AM

Best wishes for her speedy recovery Sorch *hugs*

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: fiddler
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 04:12 AM

On the mend now I hope Sorch.

((Andy))

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: GUEST,Shanghaiceltic
Date: 22 Feb 06 - 02:30 AM

Hi Sorcha, best of wishes to the hound, hope she makes a good recovery.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 11:31 PM

And, thanks again for all the support!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: bobad
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 10:01 PM

I had a dog which had a severe case of acute pancreatitis (rapidly diagnosed by elevated amylase level BTW) and he made a quick and complete recovery and lived many more happy years. Good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: JudyB
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:50 PM

Thoughts and good wishes headed your way!

Hugs,
JudyB

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:44 PM

Sending lots of healing thoughts and love to you and your pup.....KT

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:34 PM

Good girl, Annie...

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SunnySister
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:23 PM

Sorcha,

Thanks for letting us know. I had thought about pancreatitis although it's so hard to actually diagnose.

If that's it's that and you've found a good clinic, hang in there. It can be pretty serious (as you already know) and sometimes it can be the beginnings of chronic pancreatitis.

Here's a pretty good site with vet information- most of the general information is in the middle area:

http://www.vetinfo.com/dpancrea.html


You all have been on my mind today as I had my graduate advisor get "The Call" from the vet while I was being advised on the phone. We quickly rescheduled and I thought about Annie, you and your husband and all of us who love our furry babies so much and understand that this is part of the commitment we make together.

Sending my best and thank you for keeping us informed,
--SunnySister

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 08:43 PM

Took her to another clinic today, one the breeder reccomended. I think we bingoed it...pancreatitis.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 08:42 PM

Positive vibrations from Pittsburgh!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Megan L
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 02:33 PM

hugs and prayers friend

peanuts well i never iv'e eaten them by the barrel and they have never done me any harm im perfectly normallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Little Robyn
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 02:14 PM

We lost both a dog and a cat to kidney failure, with similar symptoms, and the vet suggested anti-freeze was responsible but there isn't any around here.
Then I found similar problems could come from lily poisoning. And we did have 2 different lilies growing in the garden. Even in a vase, if puss brushes against it, gets pollen on her coat, then licks it off - that can be enough to kill her, which it did.
So I wish you well, but get rid of any lilies - kidney failure is a horrible way to go and very distressing for the family.
Robyn

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: gnu
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 01:25 PM

That's two "perkiers". Hope they keep coming.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: RichM
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 11:21 AM

Pets are members of your family. So of course you are upset.
Prayers and positive thoughts for Annie's full recovery.


Rich

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 11:09 AM

Already thought of antifreeze....I don't see how, unless Mr tracked it in on his boots. She is 'perkier' this AM, but NOW has bloody dihrea (sp). NOTHING in there! At least she has stopped vomiting, or trying to.....going to run another blood sugar test this AM....thanks, guys!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: leftydee
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 10:49 AM

Has the vet checked for insect bites? I had a very sick dog two years ago that was spider bitten. Hang in there, Kiddo!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 10:40 AM

Antifreeze - nasty stuff, because unlike the run of poisons it actually has a pleasant sweet taste. There was a big scandal a few years back in Eutope about rogue wine manufacturers using it to make really rough wine taste more palatable, and poisoning people in the process.

Best wishes to Annie.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: kendall
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:51 AM

She's in good hands, so about all you can do is hope. I hope hubby hasn't fed her chocolate?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:12 AM

I would suspect ethylene glycol too, Sorch.
Poor Annie. Poor Sorch.
Candles lit for both of you.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: Sorch Needs MudPower
From: gnu
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 05:38 AM

Thoughts and prayers, Sorcha.