BS: Sir Paul & the seals

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:18 PM

That's a cheap victory and particularly inept on a thread like this with a serious subject
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:20 PM

Yes, number 6, I care. I hope I misunderstood your post. If not, then you are an idiot. If so, then I apologize unreservedly.

Right on, Obie. This is the Minnesota contingent that goes on and on. I love the way they seemed to imply being Canadian, without actually saying it.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:21 PM

gnu, I never said it was that said the seals were the cause of the depleted fisheries. It was yer man Obie I was responding to, who enlightened us all when he said "The fishery's recovery is in great peril and now the high seal population is part of the problem."

So gnu, perhaps you could try reading posts by someone other than yourself, and the person you have decided to pit yourself against.

Complicated issue, isn't it? I guess it can't all be solved by dissing celebrities, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:32 PM

The sealers aren't just sealers. They are also fishermen.

Which rather does connect them to the problem of depleted fisheries. As the cod dwindled, they pressured Ottawa to increase the quotas on seals, as an alternative means of exploiting the area's resources. They are only concerned about depleting the resources when it is THEIR livelihood at stake. They ain't exactly the most economic and enviromentally altruistic bunch of guys on the planet.

And BTW, why no mention, if we are talking about all this, of the endangered and nearly extinct North Atlantic right whale, hmmmmm?

Could it be because yer beloved fishermen are guilty of killing a few here and there every now and then? Part of the price the planet shall pay for them being a sad, forlorn bycatch that will be extinct in a few more years anyway, so sod 'em?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:38 PM

So gnu, now the seals are responsible for the depletion of the salmon too?

Oh, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:45 PM

I wish I could say its nice to see you again, but it isn't. Gnu said specifically that there is no proof that the seals are responsible for the loss. You then respond by baiting him. That means you really aren't as interested in the issue as you put on. Once again you are simply trolling. You do this because in your isolated little world, you believe you have all the answers and the rest of us are idiots for not buying into that.

Folks, don't let this old foe hijack this one.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 05:05 PM

"Can someone answer why The Humane Society of the U.S.A. is backing and promoting this movement against The (what they call) the barbaric Canadian seal hunt"

Yes, I can. The US is the largest potential market for sealskin, but because of excellent activism on the part of the US and international animal rights and environmental movements, the US market has been closed to the sealskin trade since passage of the US Marine Mammal Protection Act. That act is renewable, and the pressures to succumb to the global fashion fur industry and allow sealskin back into the US market is enormous.

As always, it's about the bottom line of the bottom feeding scum that make their living exploiting the earth's resources and keeping the world's ecosystems off balance, so people like gnu will start threads like this and do the dirty work for them of maintaining the corporate status quo.

And it isn't the Newfoundlanders who have borne the brunt economically--it has been the native peoples of the Canadian Pacific region, whose economies were decimated by passage of the act.

The Newfies make the money off the hunt, the money off the processing of the pelts (all done in Newfoundland), and have a virtually locked in export market to Norway, Europe and Japan.

It is only the white coat fur pelts that have been banned from Europe, as I understand it.

No coincidence the Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans is run almost exclusively by Newfoundlanders, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,thurg
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 05:53 PM

Let me see if I've got this straight - the Native peoples of the Canadian Pacific region had their economies decimated by the US Marine Mammal Protection Act, so therefore Newfoundland fishermen should not harvest seals? Do I have that right?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 06:20 PM

Hahahaha. Oh my. Do you even know the name of the last fisheries minister? Hehehehehe!!! You people make me laugh. You prove my point. Get a fuckin clue eh? Hehehehehe.

I just watched Larry King Live, on tape. All is lost. The McCartneys have absolutely NO credibility. Apparently, in order to help the sealers, all we have to do, according to the royal couple, is ban the seal hunt. Then, the Europeans will lift the boycott on Canadian seafood and then buy millions of dollars worth of crab. And, all the sealers and their families will live happily ever after. Wha?

Fuckin A, eh? But, gee, Missus M... isn't that cruel treatment of the crabs... you hypocritical piece of no-mind fucking trash. Not to mention the fact that the poor sealers can't afford a miilion dollar boat to get to the crab fishery. A punt ta ye of course. Perhaps ye could lend it out during crab season, eh?

That's my point.... until you have been on Dog Island... don't bark!

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:25 PM

"As for the sealers .. well, does anyone care."

As for the fact ... I certainly do care.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:27 PM

"Hahahaha. Oh my. Do you even know the name of the last fisheries minister? Hehehehehe!!! You people make me laugh. You prove my point. Get a fuckin clue eh? Hehehehehe."

... I know gnu ... !!!!

I luv that.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:33 PM

Tough name to forget.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:41 PM

Herb Dhaliwal minister of fisheries back in 2000 ... yup, all the fisheries guys are from Newfoundland all right.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:45 PM

You got change for a Hearn?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 10:51 PM

number 6 has contacted me and made it clear that he does indeed care. I misunderstood his post and offer a sincere apology.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 11:30 PM

L-O-L-A, Lola,   Lo lo lo lo lola

Just like cherry cola.

I might have some change for a Hearn Peace.

BTW, does Red Lobster really serve seafood?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 11:31 PM

It's not a steak house?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 09:16 AM

You children get really nasty when someone disagrees with you, don't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 09:56 AM

Doesn't bother me at all if someone disagrees.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Raptor
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 11:09 AM

Guest Post under your real membership name if you believe the shit you are saying!

If you can honestly say you believe the misinformed opinion you have than why are you afraid to reveal who it is that holds it!

Kat Yah yer right it's jelousy of the beatles that makes Newfoundlanders mad that some uneducated spoiled hasbeen pop star and his golddigging mouthy barnacle are fucking with thier livelyhoods because some asshole from peta have decided that seals are cute and dupped said idoit popstar into believeing the hype with some footage of a practice that was out of practice long before he stopped wearing Leather.
Kat when was the last time you were to NFLD?


The whitecaots have not been hunted since 74

People DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE SPOUTING SHIT!

KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 12:00 PM

The white coats have not been hunted since 1974, because the US Marine Mammal Protection Act, passed in 1972, shut down US borders to sealskin pelt products.

And actually, some of us who are opposed to the hunt seem to know a whole lot more about it than the pro-seal slaughter reactionaries around here, who are busy mouthing the long-since discredited pro-seal slaughter party line here, to defend the indefensible.

You all seem a bit too clever by half.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 12:22 PM

thurg, no you don't have it right. I was simply pointing out that the racist fishermen in Newfoundland don't give two shits about the Native harvests--only their own. Which is why your beloved Newfies also drove the MicMac out. The better to steal their resources.

As to gnu--I think it is the lot of you that need to buy a clue, matey. The US and international animal welfare and environmental organizations WILL succeed to shutting down the hunt. It make take us a few more years, but we will do it.

How? The US buys 75% of Canadian seafood export. We'll shut you down with a boycott, just like we did the tuna industry.

Considering the last 3 years of the hunt took over 1 million of the government estimated 5.8 million harp seal population, we don't have much time, as the species will be extinct in a matter of years, not decades at the rate of the current quotas, we don't have much time.

Which is why the movement has brought in the big guns.

We will shut this hunt down, once and for all. No matter what the reactionary good ole Newfie boys and their boyfriends here think or say about it, or how much they might try to mock, malign and humiliate Paul McCartney and his family.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 12:32 PM

We will shut this hunt down, once and for all.

What's with all this "we" stuff????? All you and your other Minnesota buddy ever do is jump in and act like you are big activists, but my bet is that you never get into the real fights. I see your type all the time. Long on what "we" will do diatribe, and short on anything that involves real risk to yourselves.

One of the hallmarks of "all mouth, no action" is the constant putting down of anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Raptor
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 01:09 PM

Guest You coward LOG IN!

You, just Like your hero Paul M have reacted to the invitation to Learn what you talk about with the same "I know all I need to know" bullshit.

There is no arguing with a little child who plugs his ears and Screams "I'M NOT LISTENING". So you go ahead and believe that an anomonus Troll is gonna stop anything based on misinformation.

Paul in his ultimate Wisdom might as well try to find a cure for Pancakes.

"how much they might try to mock, malign and humiliate Paul McCartney and his family" Trust me anyone with a brain that thinks for itself saw The McCartneys Humiliate themselves by not even knowing what province they were in!


"racist fishermen in Newfoundland"
"Newfie boys "
"bottom feeding scum "

Who's the racist Asshole?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 01:17 PM

So what you're saying is that might is right guest?
Don't need to be right just need to be bigger huh?
That's how bullies have 'won' arguments for ever.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 01:42 PM

An anon guest who is a card carrying member of the HSUS, PETA, and Sea Shepherd, actively organizing to lay the groundwork for the boycott (since last year's hunt). Greenpeace, Inc. doesn't get my money anymore.

Not only am I not buying Canadian seafood, especially Newfoundland snow crab, but nor is anyone I know (it's that six degrees of separation factor).

I am also participating in my local food coop members campaign to get Red Lobster and Olive Garden (both owned by the same corporation, American Seafood Vendors) to stop buying Canadian seafood; raise awareness among our region's food coops; put pressure on our local grocers through our food coop member letter writing campaign, and; participate in our local education campaign in the area colleges.

And on March 15th, I'll blow you all a kiss from demo at our local Canadian Consulate.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 01:52 PM

No, I never said might makes right. I said I am doing what I know is right. Big difference.

As I said, it is only a matter of time until the seal hunt is ended forever. You all can keep screeching and bitching about that fact here all you want. It won't change a thing, because the writing is on the wall.

People everywhere want to see these marine mammal slaughters ended forever.

That's the side I'm on.

The fact that there are millions more of us than the Newfie sealers, the Canadian Inuit bowhead whale hunters (and their pro-whaling Norwegian and Japanese puppetmasters at the World Council of Whalers in Vancouver) and the Japanese and Norwegian whalers around the globe, will begin to matter, just as it did in tuna boycott.

Globally, we all get to vote on the Canadian seal hunt with out pocketbooks as consumers, you see.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Guest, but not Guest above in this thread
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 01:55 PM

Interesting talk, but too bad the regulars are taking the bait and continue to feed the Guest trolls. However, it leads to interesting stuff and if you are going to continue feeding them accept that they will not login with a name and continue on. Don't ask them to sign in because they will not! That gets old and interferes with the arguments.

Paul "sealed" my opinion of him with this nonsense cause. If it matters, am I am also a vegetarian.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Guest Above
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 01:59 PM

You know, this is so lame. Every time a guest makes arguments about any subject here that goes against the Mudcat BS majority, and does so articulately, the knee jerk reaction is to call them a troll.

So call me a troll. It doesn't change the fact I am an articulate voice taking time out to post here about something I care about.

Now, back to the usual Mudcat member dysfunctionalism....

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 02:05 PM

Continue "articulating on" Guest Above...I guess there ARE reasons for ghostwriting.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 02:36 PM

"Now, back to the usual Mudcat member dysfunctionalism.... "

I assume that is my cue. Hehehe. "...mock, malign and humiliate..."? Not me. They did that all on their own.

Say, now. Since you are such an animal rights champion, why aren't you calling for charges to be laid against the Sir's for cruelty to those little seal pups and their mothers. They broke the laws of this land and we have the proof on video. Case closed.

Anyway, as for me saying anything about keeping the hunt or anyone shutting it down, I didn't. So, just like the last time I asked you to stop putting words in my mouth, prove it or fuck off. I don't mean fuck off, as in "leave", I mean fuck off as in "idiot". As for blowing me a kiss, blow it out yer ass.

I said I would never eat seal again, but Seal Flipper Pie ain't bad. And, I suppose I could choke some down.

Oh, BTW, the Newfie forefathers did not drive the MigMaw (try get up to speed, eh?) out. Yes, they took out the Beothucks that opposed them. And, the remaining Beothucks succumbed to disease carried by the white man. Now... I am not gonna discuss the history of my Native brothers on this thread, as it is not the time nor the place, and because I am no expert in this area, but I just wanted to point out that you should not unjustly libel 700,000 Newfs. That is certainly "racist".

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 02:53 PM

As usual gnu, you suffer from extreme self-centrism. Everything I post is not in response to what you and your band of bros here says.

Oh, have I gone and spelled words differently than you?

MicMac instead of MigMaw instead of Mi'kmaq--or Inuit instead of Innuit instead of Innu...congratulations on winning today's Mudcat Lame Ass Pedant Spell Checker Award. It so bolsters your arguments.

And don't worry, folks are working on calling a boycott of Newfoundland's heritage tourism industry too. Tourists need to know about the cultural values behind the hunt too.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: leftydee
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 02:55 PM

I hope Guest "votes with his pocketbook", it is a vote wasted. I'm one who'll not be buying seal skins, but I, sure as hell, won't try to stop others. What gives Guest the moral superiority to decide what anyone but himself can wear. Guest is also someone that's probably never had to do a tough job to make ends meet.

I trapped muskrats all thru high school. It was a tough thing but in the end it paid for my first car. That car was a first step in economic freedom for me. So Guest, maybe your mom still pays your bills, but please don't infringe on other folks right to make a living.

"There is a place for all God's creatures here, right next to my mashed potatoes."

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 03:02 PM

Hmmmm, now let me see.

Just how many of those 700,000 Newfs and the handful of Newfie sealers are descended from the 9000 years of human inhabitants in the province prior to European settlement? You know, all those (conveniently extinct) Beothuks, MicMac, Maritime Archaic, Dorset and other paleo-Eskimo peoples?

None?

Imagine my surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 03:02 PM

Guest is a prime example of the 'poster' that one shouldn't waste time and energy on.

... now, back to enjoying my plateful of cod tongues, sage stuffing and chips, followed by some toutons, molasses and coffee. Yum, Yum.

six

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 03:03 PM

could Paul survive in the arctic?

sounds like it could be fun finding out.....

offer him a deal. no seals killed all the time you spend dancing round the north pole in your underpants......that should test his committment.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 03:16 PM

Ah, good on ya lads. Thanks for showing us where reason and the facts have failed you.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 03:23 PM

Nice to see everyone's getting along.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 03:48 PM

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, Peace...what a shit-storm, eh?

Raptor, I just got a call here from Paul McCartney. ;-) He is really, really upset about what you said about him. I mean....really upset.

"Do you know this subhuman?" He asked me. Oh, my. Well, I had to admit I do.

Such a fuss. He is about ready to fly over to Barrie and have it out with you personally, mano a mano. He says he's getting a bit old for that sort of thing now, but he still has confidence enough in his pugilistic abilities to deal with a dim-witted "colonial" such as yourself, provided that it's agreed beforehand that both shall abide by the Rules of Queensbury, under the supervision of a professional referee, in a location and at a time agreed to by both, and further agree to shake hands and live and let live if it goes ten rounds and no one has been knocked out or resigned.

He says if he wins, you must apologize to him and his wife, grovel a bit, that sort of thing.

"What if Raptor wins?" I asked him.

"Oh, don't talk rubbish!" he replied.

He seems to be quite confident about this. What do you think, is the Barrie Gym suitable or should we call up a hockey rink or something?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,B. Shears
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:09 PM

Look out, cause here she comes.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:13 PM

I'm getting along just fine .... anyone care for some cod tongues, or feel to help yourself to touton or two ....molasses is over there.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:20 PM

I prefers the cheeks, m'son. But in a pinch the tongues will do.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:22 PM

Hehehehehe. More fun than a barrel of dead seal pups... the white ones.

sIx... tongues? Fresh? Decent? I haven't seen any decent fresh tongues and cheeks for a seal's age. They had frozen T&C's at Sobeys this week, but the $ was fucking near the $ of elephant foreskin. Tusk, tusk!!

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Apollo C. Vermouth
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:22 PM

and you know what they say about sIx: he may be a lover but he ain't no dancer

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:23 PM

Sorry Peace .... next time I'll make sure I have some cheeks and some fish cakes too.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:24 PM

Tongues is fine. They bes good to eat. Had 'em often along with cod's head soup. Food's food. And well we know that.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: gnu
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:25 PM

B. Shears... d'ya think? Hehehe.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: Peace
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:27 PM

The one and only. Could it be?

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: GUEST,Wirral
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:28 PM

Not to worry, gnu. We're coming for your foreskin next.

Subject: RE: BS: Sir Paul & the seals
From: number 6
Date: 05 Mar 06 - 04:29 PM

Well .... Apollo always shouts something obscene, such a dirty old man.

sIx