BS: Quotable Quotes

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 06:09 AM

The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.

George Orwell

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: autolycus
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:45 AM

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they have no food, they call me a communist. " Dom Helder Camara, Brazilian Archbishop.

   "Politics is the shadow cast on society by business."    John Dewey



   I'd like to know the origin of the following:-

   "The gentlemen of England play the game, but reserve the right to change the rules if they feel they are losing."


Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:27 AM

Judging by present day conditions, politics IS organised crime.

And that's the problem.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: kendall
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 08:21 PM

Politics is like organized crime. It can not exist where it is not supported.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: GUEST,Bruce
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 05:50 PM

We have met the enemy an he is us.

Pogo

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: lady penelope
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 05:41 PM

You've got to break all the rules they make
Take all the risks they say we won't take
We've got to make all the trouble we can.......Only one way

Karine Polwart


Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you..........tired.......

Me

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 05:35 PM

Mary, why would you assume that it is necessary to have political parties before one can have a manageable (and limited) roster of official candidates nominated for an election?

It's an unfounded assumption you make there, based on habit, I would think. Because you're used to having political parties, you assume they are the only possible public mechanism capable of selecting candidates. They're not. Not by any means. Any number of alternative methods could be devised, some of them far less susceptible to corruption than the political party, which exists mainly to feather its own nest and perpetuate its grip on power.

Les, the people with the same sort of ideas, as you put it, would have plenty of opportunity to discuss those ideas effectively in a non-partisan Congress or Assembly and in public meetings, both before, during, and after an election involving no political parties. It's been done, it's being done (in thousands of city coucils, for example), and it can be done any time people get the idea to do it.

The political party is a totally arbitrary, completely unnecessary, and very troublesome factor in a democratic system. It needs a lot of money to be effective and win an election. To get a lot of money, it does favours for certain people. Thence stems much of the corruption.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 05:12 PM

Nothing has been purchased more dearly than the little bit of reason and sense of freedom which now constitutes our pride.

Friedrich Nietzsche

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: kendall
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 02:05 PM

Tact is only noticed when it's missing.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 11:48 AM

"When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty [says] in a rather scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less'"

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 09:04 AM

Censorship is to art as lynching is to justice.

Henry Louis Gates

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 08:53 AM

Huh? Why the same quote from 2 different sources, Roger?

I don't know - but I am sure that one of the usual suspects can post and judge the reason I did post this....................

And some will post only to agree with this judgement.

But is encouraging public speculation and judgement about the reasons why another poster may have posted what they did a good thing?

Does it really really matter and is it anyone else's business?

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 08:06 PM

No kings; no political parties. One citizen, one vote for whomever they choose? The Mother of all Elections!

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 12:39 PM

What a good idea Little Hawk, the last thing we want is people wih the same kind of ideas getting together.

These threads start with such originality and peter out with boring gits like me.

'There is many a dark and stormy morning
Turns out to be a bright sunshiney day' (Trad)

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 09:36 PM

Political parties are a terrible idea...guaranteed to foster divisiveness, power monopolizing, and corruption. They are a travesty. They should all be abolished, just as we once abolished the "divine right" of kings and royal families to rule over the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 09:32 PM

That's why the ancient Athenians didn't have political parties. Or pre-chosen slates of candidates. They chose their leaders by lottery.

Every Athenian citizen was supposed to be up on current affairs, and it behooved them to be so, because if the lottery happened to pick them, at the end of their term, they were evaluated by a jury of 501 citizens (too large a jury to bribe, and an odd number to avoid ties) and judged on how well they did.

In short, they were held responsible.

Not a bad system.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 09:24 PM

"Are you a nature lover?"

"Yes!"

"I can't think why, seeing what she's done to you".

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 09:00 PM

If the Democrats and the Republicans ran a drunken hog and a poisonous swamp viper for President, the same people would still go out and vote for them, because there would effectively BE no one else to vote for!

And that, basically, is how it's done. One party, falsely posing as two parties, puts forth 2 phony lines of rhetoric, trots out 2 controlled creatures it pretends are real "candidates", the public votes one of them in, and the farce goes on for another four years. Almost no one in the world is fooled, except a sizeable chunk of the American public...enough to keep the farce going.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Bert
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 08:44 PM

It's not that beardedbruce, It's just that I don't think that anyone with a brain would vote for him.

Come on, vote for an Oil man from Texas and gas prices are going up.
If gas prices go up, so does everything else except salaries.

Anyone with a brain would have forseen that.

I man who has hundreds languishing in Texan Jails for doing exactly what he did in college. Why whould a thinking person vote for someone like that?

That's why I don't really believe that anyone actually did vote for him.
'cos the election is the first in this country that cannot be verified.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Bert
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 08:38 PM

When that critter looks at you..well you stay looked-at.


Gnomad on the Dirty looks thread

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 08:36 PM

Censorship, I believe, is the most dangerous enemy to all human communication, and piety of intention is probably the most dangerous, the most virulent and the most self-satisfying.

Chuck Jones

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 08:33 PM

Huh? Why the same quote from 2 different sources, Roger?

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 08:31 PM

Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it.
It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever.

Noam Chomsky

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 08:29 PM

Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it.
It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever.

Nadine Gordimer

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: kendall
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 08:22 PM

I'd rather die on my feet than to live on my knees.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 08:20 PM

It's better to be a lion for a day than a sheep all your life.
Elizabeth Kenny

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 07:46 PM

What a BRILLIANT quote from Mark Twain! The man was amazing. I fully expect the day of my death (once it's fully accomplished, that is...) to be the happiest day in this whole life. The stage play will finally be over.

Walrus - Thanks for the corrections of the Churchill lines. My father evidently decided to embellish the original quotes a bit, in order to make it a better story. He usually does that, so I should have guessed.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Deda
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 07:35 PM

"We ordinarily rejoice when someone is born and mourn when they die. This is because we are not the person involved." Mark Twain

The Philip Larkin poem referred to above is worth quoting in its entirety, IMO:

"This be the Verse

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
Add add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself."

By Phillip Larkin -- quite the cheery fellow.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 06:11 PM

"Remember, some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them". Les Barker

"Never argue with a fool, for he is doing the same". Les Barker

"It's a small world, unless it's you that has to paint it". Les Barker

"If at first you don't succeed, free fall parachuting is not a good idea" Les Barker

"Always borrow money from a pessimist. He doesn't expect to get it back" Les Barker

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: kendall
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 05:00 PM

One of my favorites..."I never watch Sesame Street, I know most of that stuff already." (George Carlin)

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: kendall
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 04:56 PM

Any Southerner will tell you that "Lower than snake shit in a wagon" track is a common quotation.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 04:48 PM

*tsk*...QUOTATIONS please!

(bbruce, I like that DNRC one! It says a lot, even though it makes some logical errors in its construction. There should be special classes from high school on, focusing on exactly what intelligent people DO disagree on. The usual problem is that people already have decided what they want the answer to be, and use their intelligence to Gerrymander a clever justification.)

as in "Theology is the process of finding bad reasons for what we already believe on faith"

I guess we could work one up for politics easily.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: kendall
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 03:29 PM

Is it any wonder that politicians are rated lower than used car salesmen? And THEY are rated lower than snake shit in a wagon track.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 01:13 PM

Now, now, Bert.

You should be aware that anyone that disagrees with you is a sub-human non-person, while those that agree are all sterling examples of wonderful people......

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Bert
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 12:58 PM

a hell of a lot of people voted for him...   hmmm, depends on your definition of 'people'

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 12:16 PM

even if they counted with a bloody abacus, it would still mean a hell of a lot of people voted for him

'top of the mornin' to ya!'

Rod Steiger in No Way to Treat a Lady

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 12:15 PM

and from Bobert:

"Unless you are capable and willing to look beyond *your* side then you are allready in the loser category in my book. I mean no disrespect here but life isn't about winning law suits but being able to find common ground or selling visions."

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 12:11 PM

"Just because we are doomed to fail does not mean we should not try. "

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 12:10 PM

""In the end it will make no difference. 90% of us have made up our minds and nothing will change them. "

Kendall

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 12:06 PM

ok...

"Highly intelligent and well-informed people disagree on every political issue. Therefore, intelligence and knowledge are useless for making decisions, because if any of that stuff helped, then all the smart people would have the same opinions. "

DNRC newsletter

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Bert
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 12:00 PM

I go along with Bill D and Kendall on this. The Dubya election was the first election in the US that could not be verified.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 11:51 AM

yep, Wesley...I tried earlier to make the point. (It's hard to make a small aside comment to bruce sometimes...*grin*)

find a cute QUOTE, bruce...

""It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people"        

Gore Vidal

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Wesley S
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 11:38 AM

Guys - Get a room. In other words - start on new thread on this topic.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 11:34 AM

The machines are controlled by, and can be altered by, the COUNTY election commissions- and here in MD they are DEMOCRATIC in the counties I have mentioned.

Does the politics of the president of Domino's Pizza tell you ANYTHING about the pizza they deliver? Or have they stopped delivering to the more liberal areas?

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 10:56 AM

bruce...if the President of Diebold were an extreme left wing Democrat, you'd see the concern soon enough. It's not a matter of accusations, it's a matter of security and no possibility of fraud.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 10:28 AM

kendall,

I agree, but I also object to the contiuos assertions that Diebold has such total control, and that the Republicans are the only guilty party. In EVERY incvestigation, there have been irregularities found on the part of BOTH parties, yet the presumption here is that the Republicans are guilty and Democrats are innocent. As I point out, in MD, IF there were any irregularities due to Diebold, they were in favor of the Democrats, who ( incidently) won the state and it's electorial collage votes...

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: kendall
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 10:19 AM

Even one fixed machine is an abomination. We don't allow them in Maine. We haven't had a real crook in congress since James G. Blaine who lost to Grover Cleveland when they ran for prisident.

Cleveland had fathered an "illigitimate child, and the republicans made this up, "Hey Ma, where's my Pa"?
And the democrats responded, "Gone to the White House, Ha ha ha"

They also came back with this, "James G. Blaine, continental liar from the state of Maine."

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 10:07 AM

kendall,

Only two ( of 60 some ) Ohio counties even used Diebold machines.....

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 09:57 AM

maybe our fearless leaders want fairness & proven accuracy, no matter who it aids? No one said a vote HAD been fixed, just that it shouldn't be a possibility.

To keep on topic:
""Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)."
                Ayn Rand

""Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."
                     John Quincy Adams

"Republicans have been accused of abandoning the poor. It's the other way around. They never vote for us."        

                        Dan Quayle

Subject: RE: BS: Quotable Quotes
From: kendall
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 09:56 AM

The president of Diebold, that's who.
I understand there were problems in Ohio too.