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beardedbruce 29 Mar 06 - 02:14 PM
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Rapparee 29 Mar 06 - 02:48 PM
Peace 29 Mar 06 - 02:49 PM
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Subject: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:14 PM

( it was just begging to be said...)


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From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:17 PM

Well, here's a picture of one . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:37 PM

or this?


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:47 PM

Romeo and Juliette. Tristan & Isolde. Antony & Cleopatra. Liz Taylor and Richard Burton. Paris (of Troy) and Helen of Troy. Lancelot & Guinevere. Robin Hood and Maid Marion.

That's a start. Some of them may be fictional, but so what?


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:48 PM

Like these?


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:49 PM

Gertrude Stein and Alice B. Toklas


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:50 PM

Dante and Beatrice?

"Beatrice Portinari (1266 - 1290), born in Florence, Italy, is the principal inspiration for Dante Alighieri's Vita Nova. She also appears as his guide in "La Divina Commedia" (The Divine Comedy) both in the first book, "L'Inferno" (The Inferno) and in the second half of "Purgatorio" (Purgatory) as well as the whole of the "Paradiso" (Paradise). Beatrice must take over as guide from the Latin poet Virgil because Virgil was born a pagan and cannot enter Paradise.

Her birth name is Bice Portinari, the daughter of Folco Portinari. Dante met her when his father took him to the Portinari house for a May-Day party. Dante was instantly smitten with her and remained so throughout her life even though she married a banker, Simone dei Bardi, in 1287. She died three years in June of 1290 at the age of 24. But Dante continued to hold an abiding love and respect for the woman after her death, even though Dante himself married Gemma Donati in 1285 and had his own children. After Beatrice's death, Dante withdrew into intense study and began composing poems dedicated to her memory. The collection of these new-found poems along with others he had previously written in his journal in awe of Beatrice became La Vita Nuova.

Beatrice Portinari has been immortalized not only in Dante's poems but in paintings by Pre-Raphaelite masters and poets.

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Relationship with Dante
Beatrice's influence on Dante's work belies the fact that they only met twice during her life. Dante first met Beatrice in Florence, his home city, when he was nine years old and she was eight, around 1274. She was dressed in a soft crimson cloth, and wore a girdle about her waist. Dante instantly fell in love with her, thinking of her as angelic with divine and noble qualities.

Following their first meeting, Dante was so enthralled by Beatrice that he later wrote in La Vita Nuova: Ecce Deus fortior me, qui veniens dominabitur mihi ("Behold, a deity stronger than I; who coming, shall rule over me.") Indeed, she did and Dante frequented parts of Florence, his home city, where he thought he might catch even a glimpse of her. As he did so, he made great efforts to ensure his thoughts of Beatrice remained private, even writing poetry for another lady, so as to use her as a "screen for the truth".

Dante's courtly love for Beatrice continued for nine years, before the pair finally met again. This meeting occurred in a street of Florence, which she walked along dressed in white and flanked by two older women. She turned and greeted him. Her greeting filled him with such joy that he retreated to his room, to think about her. In doing so, he fell asleep, and had a dream which would become the subject of the first sonnet in La Vita Nuova."


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:53 PM

J Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:54 PM

Peace- Popular?


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:54 PM

Wow. That's romance.


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From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:55 PM

LOL. Yeah, yer right. Strike Hoover and Tolson.


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From: jacqui.c
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:57 PM

Victoria and Albert?


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From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:30 PM

Hsing-Hsing & Ling-Ling


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From: GUEST,Bill D
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:30 PM

where did my cookie go? That was me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:32 PM

Lord Greystoke and Jane Porter


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From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:34 PM

John Carter and Dejah Thoris


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:37 PM

Chongo and Miss Laura, back in 40's Chicago. (but that one was never consummated)


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:41 PM

Cyrano de Bergerac and the lovely Roxanne, even though Roxanne didn't know it until it was too late.

(sniff)

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: number 6
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 04:03 PM

The Emperor ShahJahan and Mumtaz Mahal.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: pdq
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 04:10 PM

Joan Baez and herself?


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: kendall
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 04:11 PM

Lord Nelson and Emma Hamilton


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From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:11 PM

The famous librarian Giacomo Girolamo Casanova and a whole bunch of women.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: cool hand Tom
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 08:51 PM

Napoleon and josephine


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From: Azizi
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 09:49 PM

King Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson

See this calypso song written by Rufus Callender (Caresser).


LOVE, LOVE ALONE
It was love; love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne
It was love, love, love, love, love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne

On the 10th of December we heard the talk
He gave his throne to the Duke of York
It was love, love, love, love, love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne

King Edward was noble, King Edward was great
it was love that caused him to abdicate
It was love, love, love, love, love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne

He said he was sorry that his Mommy would grieve
he cannot help it, he would have to leave
It was love, love, love, love, love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne

You can take his power you can take his bought
leave him with his yachting boat
It was love, love, love, love, love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne

Ha,love, love, love, love
Caused King Edward.......

You can take his money you can take his store
but leave him that lady from Baltimore
It was love, love, love, love, love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne

I don’t know what Mrs Simpson got in her bone
that caused the king to leave his throne
It was love, love, love, love, love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne

On the 10th of December 1936
the Duke of Windsor went to get his kicks
It was love; love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne

It was love; love, love, love,
love, love, love, love
love, love, it was love, love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne

It was love; love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne
It was love, love, love, love, lova alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne
It was love; love alone
cause the king to leave his throne
It was love, love, love, love, love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne

It was love, (Sound of a double kiss) love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne
It was love, (Sound of a double kiss) love alone
Caused King Edward to leave his throne

It was love, love, love; love, lova love...

-snip-

lyrics source: http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/h/harrybelafonte5505/itwaslovelovealone366255.html

"Edward VIII." {Love, Love Alone}
Written by Rufus Callender (Caresser).
Sung by the Duke of Iron, Lord Invader and Macbeth the Great.
Accompanied by Gerald Clark and His Invaders.
Originally recorded at Town Hall, New York, 1946.

Click http://www.calypsoworld.org/noflash/songs-3.htm for more info on this historical romance and this song; there's also an audio clip of this song.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 10:36 PM

Ones like these are pretty popular.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: GUEST,me
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 12:05 AM

Adolf and Eva. Well, they were popular in some circles anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 12:25 AM

Mussolini and Clara Petacci.

Joan Baez and Bob Dylan.

Bob and Sara Dylan.

Leonard Cohen and Marianne.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: GUEST,me
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 12:30 AM

Popeye and Olive Oil
Bluto and Olive Oil
Mickey and Minnie
Donald and Daisy
Bert and Ernie
Boris and Natasha


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Bert
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 01:02 AM

Words & Music: Jake Thackray

He was small and baggy-trousered, he was nondescript and shy,
But in his breast there burned a sacred flame,
For women melted and surrendered when they looked into his eyes.
(Little Billy Kershaw was the name, by the way,
He worked as a country ploughman, so they say.)

Oh Lothario and Casanova, mighty Don Juan,
Those legendary goats of days of yore -
Billy was better, with his eyes closed, on one leg and with no hands!
(A trick which he could actually perform, by the way,
Spectacular, but dodgy, so they say.)

He never did it for the profit of it, never for applause,
Only the silvery laughter that it caused.

There was a difference in that Billy Kershaw never picked the best,
The beautiful, the golden ones that most men would,
But the ugly ones, the poorest, the despised, the dispossessed.
(Where else would a hunchback get a cuddle, by the way?
Harelips can kiss, or so they say.)

And so the shop-girl with the whiskers, or the limping shepherdess,
The squinting barmaid (her with the pocky skin),
Even the horse-like countess with the teeth and meagre breasts
(Which in fact had often harboured Billy's chin, by the way,
Haughty but snug, so they say).

He never did it for the profit of it, never for applause,
Only the common comfort that it caused.

Many a poor distracted Catholic, rating Billy over Lourdes,
Came smiling down his staircase, all her frenzy gone.
And the husband, far from angry, would be chuffed that she was cured
(And buy him a pint in the local later on, by the way;
Horses for courses, as they say).

He responded to the colonel's widow's desperate appeal
In the colonel's house upon the colonel's tiger skin,
And in the potter's shop, the potter's wife upon the potter's wheel
(Which was steadily continuing to spin, by the way,
A right tour de force, so they say).

But never ever for the profit of it, never the applause,
Only the passing happiness it caused.

But soon the news of Billy Kershaw and his life-enhancing powers
Became across the county widely known,
And by his cottage gate the coachloads waited patiently for hours.
(The drivers made a bundle going home, by the way,
Their caps were full of silver, so they say.)

And the village did a roaring trade in teas and souvenirs,
In ash trays and the local watercress.
Until Billy, disillusioned, simply ups and disappears.
(Leaving no forwarding address, by the way,
Could be anywhere at all, or so they say.)

But it was not for the profit of it, not for the applause,
Only the consolation that it caused.

If there should be a sad, neglected, wretched woman in your life,
It could well be that Billy's near at hand;
Perhaps your auntie or your daughter, or your mother or your wife.
(And when did you last see your grandma, by the way?
No genuine case is ever turned away.)

He's no rascal, he's no charlatan, no mountebank, no snob;
Whoever you are, he'll treat you just the same.
He is small and baggy-trousered, and he does a tidy job.
(Little Billy Kershaw is the name, by the way;
He worked as a country ploughman, so they say.)

But never ever for the profit of it, never the applause,
Only the common comfort that it caused.

If you find that Billy's ballad is extravagant, or trite,
Offensive, irrelevant, or untrue,
That may well be, but here's a moral which will make us feel all right
(A moral which may well apply to you, by the way;
Takes one to know one, as they say).

If you're ugly, if you're weak, or meek, or queer, form a queue
And the rest of us will travel from afar
And systematically we'll do to you what Billy used to do -
But more regular and always twice as hard, by the way,
Mea culpa, mea culpa, as they used to say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Paul Burke
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 02:36 AM

How about Elvira Madigan and Sixten Sparre?


    Sorgerliga saker hända
    Än i vÃ¥ra dar minsann,
    Sorgerligast är dock denna -
    Den om fröken Madigan.

    Vacker var hon som en ängel:
    Ögon blÃ¥ och kind sÃ¥ röd,
    Smärt om livet som en stängel;
    Men hon fick en grymmer död.

    När hon dansade pÃ¥ lina
    Lik en liten lärka glad,
    Hördes bifallsropen vina
    IfrÃ¥n fyllda bänkars rad.

    SÃ¥ kom greve löjtnant Sparre,
    Vacker var han, utav börd,
    Ögon lyste, hjärtan darre,
    Och hans kärleksbön blev hörd.

    Greve Sparre han var gifter,
    Barn och maka hade han,
    Men frÃ¥n dessa han nu rymde,
    Med Elvira Madigan.

    SÃ¥ till Danmark styrdes färden.
    Men det tog ett sorgerligt slut,
    Ty lÃ¥ngt ut i vida världen
    Tänkte de att slÃ¥ sig ut.

    Men se slut var deras pengar,
    Ingenting att leva av!
    För att undgÃ¥ ödet stränga
    Bygga de sitt bo i grav.

    Och pistolen full av smärta
    Greven tar och sikte tog
    Mot Elviras unga hjärta:
    Knappt hon andas, förr´n hon dog.

    Ack mig hör, Ni ungdomsglada,
    Tänk pÃ¥ dem och sen Er för
    Att Ni ej i blod fÃ¥ bada
    Ni ock en gÃ¥ng, förr´n Ni dör!


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: ard mhacha
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 02:59 AM

Tony Blair and herself.


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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 03:32 AM

Ken Masters and Jan Howard


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Paul Burke
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 04:18 AM

Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.
Abelard and Heloise.
The Three Musketeers (we haven't had them have we?)
Oscar and Bosie.
Ian Paisley and Pope Paul VI.
Richard and Judy.
Charles and Diana.
Charles and Camilla.
Humbert and Lolita.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 05:06 AM

Homer & Marge.
Catherine the Great & anything with a pulse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Paul Burke
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 05:11 AM

Hummous? Tarka dhal? Thick pea soup?


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Kweku
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 05:14 AM

Bush and Rice?

Bush and Blair?

BTW,can anyone give me a very good history of Antony and Cleopatra.


Peace, BIG UP MAN!


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 05:20 AM

Bonnie and Clyde.
Adam and Eve and Pinch-Me-Bum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Kweku
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 05:26 AM

I seem to be all about asking questions today,pardon me;but who is Bonnie and Clyde?.if my memory serves me right I think they were lovers running away from the law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 05:36 AM

Wikipedia is your first call...


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Emma B
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 05:55 AM

Jean Paul Satre and Simone de Beauvoir
life-long friends and mutual critics - buried in the same grave


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: ard mhacha
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 06:44 AM

Quarcoo, another question,how long were you in the Monastery?.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: GUEST,me
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 02:13 PM

Barnacle Bill & the Fair Young Maiden.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Bert
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 02:17 PM

actually ard, Quarcoo is in Africa.


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From: Scoville
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 04:11 PM

Lord Byron and . . .


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From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Mar 06 - 07:42 PM

Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash?


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From: GUEST,thurg
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 12:37 AM

Since nobody's deigned to answer Quarcoo: Bonnie & Clyde were American bank robbers active in the 1920's or so. As was often the case in that era, they seem to have become minor folk heroes, although the general understanding is that Clyde at least was something of a psychopath. Bonnie occasionally wrote letters to newspapers giving their side of the story, sometimes including a doggerel poem. They were killed by lawmen in a spectacular ambush.

There was a popular movie, "Bonnie & Clyde", with Warren Beatty and - Faye Dunway? - made in the 1960's.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Kweku
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 03:13 AM

now that I have had the chance to read the full story of Bonnie and Clyde,I think they were indeed great lovers.

Thurg,interestingly I have watched the film before, but I was very young at that time,but one thing I remember about the movie is when Bonnie took a picture with a rose flower stuck between the teeth and then the police modified it to make it look like a cigar.

Great story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: ard mhacha
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 02:01 PM

It just shows how wrong you can be, here`s me thinking that Bonnie and Clyde   were the two great wing-men that played for Rangers in the Scottish League, you live and learn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Most popular historical lovers...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Mar 06 - 06:57 PM

I'd like to recommend a book caleed 'Don't Call us Molls' by Ellen Poulson.

Whilst being very compassionate towards the lawmen killed by characters like Clyde Barrow and John Dillinger - American bank robbers of the 1930's - Poulson has written a truly fascinating book about the relationships of these men's women - obviously Bonnie Parker, but also Billy Frechette and John Dillinger and even more interesting Mary Kinder and Harry Pierpont.

Pierpont was the only one of the Dillinger gang to die in the electric chair.

Its a moving and harrowing account of these intense and fated relationships. the photographs and letters are absolutely ace in the hole.


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