Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: GUEST,Gilly Date: 15 Nov 18 - 05:10 AM Ta muchly owd pal, very helpful. Should the singing credit read Mick Bramwich not Brantwich if I remember rightly? |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: FreddyHeadey Date: 14 Nov 18 - 10:56 AM Dudley Boys MainlyNorfolk says W. Byng Kenrick of Birmingham recited the text to Charles Parker in 1959. https://mainlynorfolk.info/folk/songs/thebravedudleyboys.html |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: GUEST,gilly Date: 14 Nov 18 - 05:51 AM 'Brave Dudley Boys' mentioned above is an interesting one. Great tune [modal?]the lyric rhymes 'join' with 'combine' which has the ring of authenticity, as does the reference to the Ward family and there were food riots in the area round about the 1830's, but I wonder whether it was written for the LP. Anyone know the provenance ? |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: GUEST,Kim wedge Date: 13 Nov 18 - 04:51 AM I’ve just been looking through a box of bits and bobs and guess what I have found Yes volume 2 I’ve no idea what is best to do with it do you think the Black Country museum would like it ? Thanks |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: FreddyHeadey Date: 06 Nov 18 - 10:57 AM 2018 There is a new Michael Raven web page by Joan Mills. A couple of dozen CDs available(2 pages) so there must be a few BC tracks. http://michaelraven.co.uk/recordings/ |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Mr Red Date: 06 Nov 18 - 04:00 AM I forgot this one about the "Dead Centre of Civilisation" The very Dead Centre. Wednesbury |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: FreddyHeadey Date: 05 Nov 18 - 06:45 AM The MainlyNorfolk page for Wide Midlands mentioned several times above https://mainlynorfolk.info/folk/records/thewidemidlands.html [PC, CRi, MB, LL] The Dudley Boys (Roud 1131) (4.15) [JW, RP] When Shall We Get Married, John? (Roud 313) (2.24) [RP, chorus] The Slap-Bum Tailor (Roud V6012) (2.14) [JR, PH] Swaggering Boney / The Black Joke (1.51) [GH, DD, PB, SL] Stop That Clock / Early in the Morning / When You Get Up in the Morning (0.53) [ST] Jolly Joe the Collier's Son (Roud 1129) (2.04) [TL] Owd Never Could (3.06) [RH] I Can't Find Brummagem (Roud V34542) (2.36) [DR, chorus] The Birmingham Jack of All Trades (Roud 3017) (3.52) [CRo, PB] The Nailmakers' Strike (2.13) [ST] The Old Miner (Roud 1136) (2.09)[CRi] Birmingham Sally (2.13) [JR, PH] Buffoon / Staffordshire Hornpipe (2.25) [JS] Aye for Saturday Night (Roud 5701) (1.15) [TL] The Aston Villa Supporter (2.48) [GL, BE] Motor Trade Workers (2.55) |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: FreddyHeadey Date: 05 Nov 18 - 06:36 AM "Midlife" by Jon Wilkes 2018 thread.cfm?threadid=165199 (even though the thread title is "Brummagem") Follow the links, there's a nice little map with the song information. The Brave Dudley Boys (Roud 1131) I Can’t Find Brummagem (Roud V34542) Navvy Boots (Roud 516) Birmingham Sally (Roud V254). Colin’s Ghost (Roud 1600) Aye For Saturday Night (My Bloke’s a Peaky) (Roud 5701 and 24185) John Hobbs & Bandy-Legged Lett (Roud 21966) Buffoon (a Morris tune) There Was An Old Man Came Over The Sea (Roud 362) Adieu, Adieu (Roud 490) |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Mr Red Date: 10 Jun 17 - 05:54 AM My BC song, an old Enoch & Eli joke made music. mp3 plays, txt and pdf available. |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:17 AM makes you feel bloody old reading through this - nearly twenty years back and talking about stuff 20 years before that - and i knew 'em all! |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: GUEST,Desi C Date: 09 Jun 17 - 06:06 AM Very good question. I'm Irish but live in the Black Country and have performed here for many years. While I used to regularly hear BC songs in the 70's & 80's I hardly ever seem to hear them now and would love to learn one or two. I would reccomend BC Poet Billy Spakemon who has written and recorded several of his own BC songs. Just put a search in and he may be able to put you in the right direction |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 09 Jun 17 - 05:21 AM Another Lazarus thread. Who was that zimmer guy? RtS |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: GUEST,STEVE Date: 08 Jun 17 - 10:25 AM I have a CD of Dave Goode "Barking Mad" 1998 LIVE GIG very funny indeed, I was the best Man at his eldest Daughters wedding. Pleasure to have known him email smandy0765@aol.com if you want the MP3 |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Roger the zimmer Date: 03 Sep 99 - 08:33 AM Hmmm. Well that was the webpage printed in his literature but I get an error message from virgin.net! Confused (formerly) of Birmingham |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Roger the zimmer Date: 03 Sep 99 - 08:20 AM MIke Raven, ex-Black Country Three, has a home page at: Click here Song books and recordings still available. |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Roger the zimmer Date: 01 Sep 99 - 06:26 AM Belated thanks to Dr John for the contact details of Mike Raven. I've been in touch and ordered some recordings off him. I've tried to get him interested in the Mudcat- his anecdotes of his interesting life might find a ready audience here! |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Steve Parkes Date: 25 Feb 99 - 03:12 AM Don't blame you, Roger! |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Roger the zimmer Date: 24 Feb 99 - 11:44 AM Thanks Steve, the reference to the Jug o' Punch stirred memories of 196something when I worked in the old Birmingham Central library and several of my colleagues were regular attendees at the JoP. I've always been more of a jazz/blues fan with a sideline interest in folk so I never went, tho' I have some Campbell LPs in my varied collection, (everything from piano rolls to CDs tho' the kazoo and player piano are my only instruments!). Apart from visiting my father in Erdington (the reference to the no64 tram on this thread was of interest!) I nevr get back to the old town now as I've lived away for 30+ years. |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Steve Parkes Date: 24 Feb 99 - 11:35 AM Funny you should ask, Roger. Let me refer you to this thread: Lyr req: Come on lads and bring your toolbag . Oh - no, I don't have the words! Steve |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Roger the zimmer Date: 24 Feb 99 - 08:47 AM Sorry if this is extending this thread beyond its sustainable life but does anyone have the words to a West Midlands version of "Jack of all trades"? Possibly from the Ian Campbell Group (Birmingham's own Scots!). The usual "Gypsy Jack of all trades" (Ewan McColl etc) tune but with places and industries based on Birmingham (City of a thousand trades) and the Black Country. There was also a London version, possibly by the Critics of "Sweet Thames Flow Softly" fame. |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Steve Parkes Date: 24 Feb 99 - 03:23 AM Thanks for the young, Jo! And I think you're right; it's Steve P.S. I dreamt about geese last night ... |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Jo Taylor Date: 23 Feb 99 - 05:18 PM Oooh Steve, young man, I think baby oil's better! STOP! We'll get told off. And we're not married (to each other) yet. Jo xxx |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Steve Parkes Date: 23 Feb 99 - 03:19 AM Anyone know how to get Oil of Ulay off a scanner? Steve |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Jo Taylor Date: 22 Feb 99 - 06:04 PM Cheers Steve, yes I would if you weren't and if I weren't also, damned inconvenient isn't it? ;-) Anyone know the answer to the, ahem, fermata problem? The other ABC prob was the sign to indicate a dotted note & a little one next to it, HTML thought it was an unrecognised tag. These <<< with any of the ones going the other way afterwards wouldn't work. Solved that one by altering the default note length, lengthening the note and adjusting the tempo. Jo |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Steve Parkes Date: 22 Feb 99 - 10:29 AM Just got back - wow - utterly brill! Thanks Jo, yo'm a bostin' wench - will yo marry us? Steve Oh, sorry, I've just remembered I'm married already (but watch this space!), but I'm sending you a big bottle of industrial strength Oil of Ulay for those smoking fingertips, just as soon as I can work out how to get it on my scanner. |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Jerry Friedman Date: 19 Feb 99 - 03:32 PM Whew? Wow! Fermatas are those sideways-parenthesis hold signs. I was hoping that once you knew the name, you could look them up easily on the abc standard Web page. Imagine my surprise when I found they're not there. |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: MMario Date: 19 Feb 99 - 12:33 PM Well Done! *virtual thunderous applause* MMario |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Jo Taylor Date: 18 Feb 99 - 07:23 PM Whew!! |
Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: A Desperate Boxing Match^^ From: Jo Taylor Date: 18 Feb 99 - 07:22 PM The eighth song, "I CAN'T FIND BRUMMAGEM" is in the DT. Here is the ninth - all notes as in the booklet. Henry Griffiths of Birmingham and Benjamin Baylis of Wednesbury near the town of Sutton On Tuesday, October the 15th, 1816 Notes - from a C19th Broadsheet - the original sheet can be seen in Birmingham Reference Library.
I. For staunch and firm bottom there never was known
Chorus:And it's come, all ye who listen to me
2. October the fifteenth at one in the day,
4. No shuffling ner tricks, ner a moment's delay,
5. The seconds and urnpires unable to say,
6. May Birmingham and Wednesb'ry henceforth agree, And here's the tune: F2|"A"C2E2E2|FE3E2|"D"c B3A2|"A"E6-|E4E2|"E"B2B2B2|B2A2B2|"A"c2c3B|A6-|A 4E 2|C2E2E2|F2E3E|"D"cB3A2|"A"E6-|E4E2|"E"B2B2B2|B2A2B2|"A"c2c3B|A2A2F2|"E" E 6|G6|d4E2|G4B2|"A"A2A2F2|E4E2|"A"cc4c|"E7"d2B2G2|"D"A2A3A|"A"A4| |
Subject: Lyr Add: Jolly Joe the Collier's Son^^ From: Jo Taylor Date: 18 Feb 99 - 07:21 PM Here's the seventh song. Notes as in booklet. Jolly Joe the Collier's Son. Notes - From an early C19th Broadsheet - the original sheet can be seen in Birmingham Reference Library. The song is printed in its original form without chorus or suggested verse omissions. Selection of a tune will depend on the singer's interpretation of the song. It could be considered tragic or light-hearted. In the former case the tune of Mary Hamilton (also called the Four Marys) will fit the song if each verse is divided into two. In the latter case the tune of North Country is a useful one. 1. I am Jolly Joe the collier's son, Near Oldbury town I dwell, I courted lasses many one, And Lov'd them all right well: I courted Nancy & young Kate, And buxom young Nelly too, But Rachael is the girl I adore, And that you soon shall know. 2. Come all you colliers in this row, Who delight in a bonny lass, Who loves to drink good ale that's brown, And sparkles in the glass: My parents they do frown on me, And say I am to blame, For keeping Rachael's company, Who liveth in Mash-Lane 3. When I rose up one morning, At the dawning of the day, I like to hear the small birds sing, See the lambs to skip and play: I took a walk to Oldbury town, Round by the Bilston Hill, And there I spied my own true love, With Jack of Armlow mill. 4. I hid myself behind a shade, A distance from whence they came, He gave her kisses one, two, three, Not knowing I was there: I boldly stepped up to them, Saying rogue what hast thou done? I am Jolly Joe the collier's son, So you must either fight or run. 5. Hold your hand, dear Joe, she said, And no more of that let's have, I will be thy servant, slave and wife, Till we both go to one grave: Then to the church young Rachael went, Right sore against her will, So maidens all pity my downfall, By Jack of Armlow mill. |
Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: The Dog Fight (Darlaston)^^ From: Jo Taylor Date: 18 Feb 99 - 07:20 PM Here's the sixth song. Notes as in booklet. The Dog Fight (Darlaston). Notes - From Dr. Fletcher's collection of Black Country songs. The chorus and the tune were added by M. Raven. The version sung by the Black Country Three omits verses 3, 7 and 10.The first two lines in verse 5 are joined with the last two lines of verse 6 to make one verse. As in the Wednesbury Cocking, the omissions and the addition of a chorus are effected to make a more manageable unit.
1.Down Sewerage Street where the smell ain't so sweet,
5.Old Reuben made referee of the match, And here's the tune:G2|"C"cc3c2|e2e2e2|"G7"d2c3d|"C"c4e2|ee3e2|g2g2g2|"G7"f2e2f2|e4g2|"F"a2f2a2|c'4a2|"C"g2e2g2|"Em"'b6-|'b4e2|"C"ce3g2|g3ec2|"G7"d2e2d2|"C"c2g2e2|c 6-|c6|"F"f6-|f6|"C"g6-|g6|"G7"d2e2d2|c4e2|"F"f2a2f2|"C"e4e2|"G7"dc3d2|"C"c4 |
Subject: ADD: Our Eynuch - Black Country Song From: Jo Taylor Date: 18 Feb 99 - 07:19 PM Here's the fifth item (poem)- don't ask me to translate! Notes as in booklet. Our Eynuch.
Notes -
Our Eyrnich bay quite jed,
Our Eynuch left is mark,
Our Eynuch med big chains
No Eynuch bay quite jed, |
Subject: Lyr/TuneAdd: Twice Tried Twice Hung Twice Buried^^ From: Jo Taylor Date: 18 Feb 99 - 07:18 PM Here's the fourth song. Notes as in booklet. Twice tried, twice hung, twice buried. Notes - The material for this song, written by J. Raven, was obtained from Mr. Derek Cherrington, of Great Wyrley, Cannock. Booth, an infamous forger, lived on Squire Gough's Farm at Perry Hall (now known as Booth's Farm). A tunnel was supposed to lead from the farm to the Hare and Hounds at West Bromwich where he transacted his business. Suspected of two murders and tried for a third he was finally caught while attempting to burn the evidence of forgery and was tried and sentenced to death at Stafford Assize in 1812. The executioner bungled and Booth had to be revived and was hung again two hours later. After burial the Staffordshire/Warwickshire boundary was altered and Booth's remains dug up and re-buried in the right county. Twice tried, twice hung, twice buried was the reputation he earned for himself.
The above story came to light in 1956 when Mr. Cherrington discovered a hoard of coins in the garden fo his Birmingham, Perry Bar, home and took them to Birmingham Museum. The remaining coin is in Mr. Cherrington's possession.
Sing the verses to the tune of The Greenland Whale Fishery. Sing the chorus to the tune of MacPhersons lament.
1.At West Brom's Hare & Hounds they say,
Chorus:
2. His brother's life and a pedlar's too
4. At Stafford court he was arraigned
5. Revived and hung just two hours gone And here's the tune: G|"C"c2c2e3c|"G7"d2(ed)"C"c2de|"F"f2f2"C"e2(dc)|"G7"d6ef|"C"g2e2c2de|"F"fedcA4-|A6cd|"C"e2g2"G7"fed2|"C"c2A2"G7"G2GG|"C"e2g2"G7"fed2|"C"c6|G|"C" c3cc3c|"G7"(d3cd2)(ed)|"C"c3c(e2g2)|"F"a6a2|"C"g3e2e2c|"G7"d3cd2( ed)|"C"c2c2"F"(A3c)"C"c6z |
Subject: ADD: Come all yew blaids what's mariyed From: Jo Taylor Date: 18 Feb 99 - 07:17 PM Here's the third song. All notes as in booklet. Come all yew blaids what's mariyed Notes - As sung by Miss Dawtry of Tettenhall. This collected fragment (J.R. 1964) has also been passed down through Miss Dawtry's family.
The tune is a very beautiful one and it is possible that the originator of the song borrowed the tune from elsewhere. The pauses marked, Miss Dawtry says, were often quite long and the singer would use them for dramatic effect and to see how his audience was reacting to the song.
Come all ye blaids what's mariyed (pause) Ri-too-ler-oo-ler-oo Ri-too-ler-oo And the tune (the rests that look like 7's should have that indefinite length symbol over them but I couldn't work out how to do those...no bar lines in the original): CFG_A2F((3G/2F/2G/2)C2z/2CFG_A_Bc_B_AGF2CFG_A2 F/2G/2F/2 GC2CFG_A_Bc2z/2|!CFG/2_A/2FGFGC2CFG_A_Bc_B_A2G/2A/2G/2FFF2CFG_A_Bc2_BG_AF2
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Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: Wedgebury Cocking - Black Country From: Jo Taylor Date: 18 Feb 99 - 07:16 PM Here's the second song. All notes as in the booklet. Wedgebury Cocking Notes - As sung by Miss Dawtry of Tettenhall. This collected version (J.R. 1964) was passed down from Miss Dawtry's grandfather. He employed young women in his Blacksmith's shop near the Ring O'Bells in Churchfields, West Bromwich, and he learned the song from them. Miss Dawtry's version is of six verses (four lines per verse) each of which occurs in the broadsheet version. We have omitted them since the important points in this version are the tune and the chorus.
Bunny Hide got a lump in his throat
Ril-fol-did-dy Rol-did-dy Fol-did-dy Rol-did-dy Here's the tune, as written in the book - looks very odd - only 2 bar lines & no obvious rhythm - make of it what you will, I'm just copying! :-) dddaaaaaa2|ag^fdd^c^cd2|ddaaaaa2ag^fdde^c^cd2a2 d/2d/2d/2 d/2d/2d/2 dddde^fAAAABcd2d2| Hmm - thought I might suggest this instead: (d/2d/2)|daa|aaa|a3-|az(a/2g/2)|fdd|c2c|d3-|dzd|daa|a2a|a3-|aza/2g/2|fdd|ecc|d3-|dza| d2(d/2d/2)|d2(d/2d/2)|ddd|def|AAA|ABc|d3|d2| |
Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: Wednesbury Cocking^^ From: Jo Taylor Date: 18 Feb 99 - 07:15 PM Here's the first song. Everything (including notes) as written in the booklet. I hereby absolve myself from having anything to do with the subject matter! Wednesbury Cocking Wednesbury - (Wedgebury) Cocking Notes - From an early C19th Broadsbeet - the original sheet can be seen in Birmingham Reference Library. The chorus, line endings of 'me lads' and the tune were added by M. Raven. The version sung by the Black Country Three omits verses 3,4,5,6 ,7,8, & 12, The six main story verses and the chorus will then make a more manageable unit. All letter omissions appear as in the original. A revised version of this song is in existence, enquiries regarding this version should be sent to Dr. Fletcher. For further information regarding this song see J.F. Ede, History of Wednesbury.
1.At Wednesbury there was a cocking,
Chorus -
4. But soon he returned to the pit,
5. Scroggins' breeches were made o' nankeen,
6. The morning's sport being over,
7. The beef it was old and tough,
8. They held him so close to the fire,
9. Then they all returned to the pit,
10. The conflict was hard on both sides, And here's the tune: G2"C"|c2c ccc|ce4e|"G7"ddd ded|"C"dc4e|eee eee|eg4g|"G7"f2f/2f/2 fgf|"C" fe4c|"F"a2a a2a|"C"e2c c2c/2c/2|"F"a2a a2a|"C"gc4c|"F"a2a aaa|"C"gcc c2e|"G7 "d2ed2e|"C"d2eg2e|ccc (cd)e|"F"f2ga2 a/2a/2|"C"eee "G7"d2d|"C"c2z |
Subject: SONGBOOK: Folk Songs of the Black Country From: Jo Taylor Date: 18 Feb 99 - 07:14 PM Here are the songs, poem and text from 'Folk Songs of the Black Country' as promised above. I've split the information into 9 bits, and written out the ABCs. Some of these do not sound quite right, but with the exception of one, for which I have also done an ABC of my own interpretation, they are transcribed exactly as in the booklet. My comments are in blue (I hope I got all the HTML right!), the other notes are all as written in the booklet. Here's the first bit, the foreword and introduction. Only one song is not included here, as it's already in the DT. (See above).(No, further above!) FOREWORD In my work as Tutor Organiser in South Staffordshire for the Worker's' Educational Association I have repeatedly come into contact with men and women who preserve many of the traditions of the Black Country. From them I have collected rhymes, songs and stories which illustrate the harsh history of the transition of this area from an agricultural to an industrial community. Other collectors such as Mr. Tom Langley whose broadcasts have done much to encourage interest in the traditions of the Black Country, have placed their own material at my disposal and have, therefore, helped me to build up a more representative collection. These oral traditions can be readily supplemented by local material preserved in the broadsheets and other transitory publications of the last century. The material so collected is almost unknown to people outside the Black Country and often to those living in the area itself. It is my ambition to see this material made easily available for the entertainment and education of all who wish to understand something of the social life of the people of the Black Country in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. It is also important that this tradition should be a living one, and in this work the co-operation of the Black Country Three in setting to music and performing these poems and ballads is invaluable. We hope that by the publication and performance of these local songs we may encourage a wider understanding of Black Country traditions and also induce others to attempt to portray events of our own times in a similar manner. The work of collecting these traditional poems can only he done with the co-operation of the people of the Black Country. We therefore appeal to all readers who know of any local rhymes however fragmentary, to contact me at 98, Bescot Road, Walsall, Staffs, (Tel: Walsall 27989). All contributions will be gratefully acknowledged. Suggestions and enquiries concerning this series may also be made to this address or to the Wolverhampton Folk Song Club, The Queen's Hotel, Wolverhampton. Dr John M. Fletcher INTRODUCTION The songs chosen for this first book of Black Country Songs are those which are currently being sung by the Black Country Three in their Sunday night session at the Queen 's Hotel , Wolverhampton.
Since tunes for the songs were not available well known folk tunes have been used or a tune has been composed. We hope that these tunes will be in keeping with the general style of the songs. While tunes and arrangements are suggested they are not meant to he hard and fast. Some may wish to sing the songs in their original form or with a different arrangement. It is for this reason that we have included one song, Jolly Joe the Co1lier's Son, without suggesting an arrangement.
Whether the songs are good examples of folk song or not will depend on how each individual judges the merits of a folk song. One point is certain - they are part of the Black Country heritage and as such they deserve a greater place in our local folk music than they aspire to at present.
Much work has been done by individuals and organisations on the collection of folk songs but little has been published of Black Country folk song. Dr. Fletcher, Charles Parker and others have accomplished valuable work in collecting and making known the collected material and we hope that this brief selection of songs will show that others have been fired by their enthusiasm.
We would like to acknowledge the help we have received, in obtaining this material, from Dr. John Fletcher of Walsall, Mr. Derek Cherrington of Great Wyrley, Miss Dawtry of Tettenhall and the Birmingham Reference Library. Our thanks also to club members, who have made this venture financially possible.
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Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Jo Taylor Date: 18 Feb 99 - 07:13 PM What are? Geese? Sorry? Me brain's all addled, bay, carn unnerstand ee. (That's not Black Country, our U.S. friends, it's West Country - quite a different thing). STAND BY!!!!! Jo |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Jerry Friedman Date: 18 Feb 99 - 03:02 PM Jo, they're called fermatas. |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Jo Taylor Date: 17 Feb 99 - 08:23 PM Get back on your seat Steve, having probs with ABCs! Will get there by tomorrow. Geese are still happy. Jo |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Pete M Date: 17 Feb 99 - 02:53 PM Thanks Steve, best laugh for ages! Pete M |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Steve Parkes Date: 17 Feb 99 - 03:43 AM Just found another Black Country link by chance; click here to see some examples of BC humour. Steve P.S. I dare say someone can offer a translation if required! |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Steve Parkes Date: 17 Feb 99 - 03:22 AM Thanks Dan, I'll try and get hold of a copy. Meanwhile, I'm on the edge of my seat, Jo. Good news about the geese, though. Steve |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Liam's Brother Date: 16 Feb 99 - 07:01 PM Hi Steve! I looked at The Wide Midlands LP yesterday. It has 2 recitations, 2 modern songs and the rest, I recall, is traditional music. The disc number is 12TS210.
All the best, |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Jo Taylor Date: 16 Feb 99 - 06:15 PM Nearly there. Will post the songs tomorrow night. Yard now covered in tractor ruts and mud & more mud, the geese think it's wonderful. The new roof looks lovely though. Yours under pressure Jo PS How do you do those indefinite pause things (can't remember what they're properly called) in ABC - looks like a sideways parenthesis with a dot beneath? |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Steve Parkes Date: 15 Feb 99 - 07:42 AM ... and when I say "partnered Barrie Roberts", I mean I used to sing top harmony with him. Yeucch! Steve |
Subject: An apology ... From: Steve Parkes Date: 15 Feb 99 - 04:21 AM Sorry, everyone: my mom says to tell you that she is NOT 110, and that I'm not too big for a clip round the ear. Sorry mom. Steve (from the doghouse) |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Steve Parkes Date: 15 Feb 99 - 03:42 AM My mother was born on the same day as Leadbelly - 29 January. She was 110 this year. Ian - noe, I'm not that Steve Parkes, although I am noted for my humorous side (ask my mother). I do know of two or three other SPs in the Midlands, though, two of which worked in the steel business in the 70s at the same time I did. I'm actually the SP who sang at the Fitter's Arms in Walsall and partnered Barrie Roberts for several years, knows Cosmotheka, and once had supper with Barbara Dickson at the Happy Gathering in Birmingham. Steve |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Liam's Brother Date: 14 Feb 99 - 12:57 PM TO: ART THIEME You're right, Art. Blind Lemon and Lightin' fit in very well here. I have a great picture of Blind Lemon and Leadbelly taken about 1954 on the top deck of a Birmingham Corporation tram (#64 - Erdington) crossing over Salford Bridge just about to ascend Gravelly Hill. My mother is the conductor. My father was a driver for the Midland Red and it was his day off... busman's holiday, you know.
All the best, |
Subject: RE: Where are all the black country songs? From: Dr John Date: 14 Feb 99 - 10:44 AM 1. Black Country songs. Jon Raven recorded several albums of Black Country songs in the seventies, mostly on his Broadside Label but unfortunately most of these are no longer available but can be obtained from second hand sources (try Rockinworld) but probably at a fairly high price. He says he may consider rereleasing them on CD in the future. With his brother Mike and Derek Craft he formed the "Black Country Three" which I think made one LP and one EP. The LP is still available on cassette from Mike Raven, Yew Tree Cottage, Jug Bank, Ashley, Market Drayton, Shropshire, TF9 4NJ England. He has a catalogue of other material too. He loves to hear from people who are interested in his music: he's a first rate guitarist and a good friend of Nic Jones. 2. Black county songs. An interesting subject. What is actually meant by "country" songs? If it's sort of folk music I'd be interested to hear opinions of the cross over between Black and White music. I suspect there is more than is generally thought. We think of Black music as mainly (but not entirely - witness Lead Belly) as the Blues possibly because other forms were not recorded (wouldn't sell?) but there is an awful lot of previously unknown White blues which is now coming to light via the Document label. A P Carter was accompanied by a Black musician when he collected his material. Perhaps this gives folk music USA its richness which other musics don't seem to have. |
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