BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: number 6
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 11:36 AM

He most definately will ... and who could blame him if he does.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 11:32 AM

I think that when he gets back on, what was it the 22nd? He's going to laugh his socks off.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: number 6
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 11:27 AM

Well said robomatic. I agree fully.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 09:56 AM

Catch 22.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 09:37 AM

I think this thread proves itself, i.e. the reaction to MG is far far greater than anything MG himself posts. It's like an extreme reaction to the tuberculin tine test. When the body already has TB the reaction is extreme. MG pulls out a lot of the (not so) repressed poison pens.

As for abuse heaped on him, consider the post he began by announcing he was leaving Mudcat forever. It went on and on and on (and on) with no further input from him. This made his point more eloquently than anything he could have said.

Which leads me to the thought: "How can we miss Martin Gibson when he won't go away?"

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 08:57 AM

"And when has vile countered vile? "

MAD - during the Cold War.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 08:53 AM

It's not impossible (if you don't want to just block his IPs - something easily and regularly done!) to write a script that runs permanently and checks every new post to see if it is started by "GUEST Martin Gibson" and autdeletes them as well as blocking the member name - he will have to have a new name - and that seems to be one of the most essential things for his sociopathic/psychotic delusions: having a name of his choice. He will have to build a new persona from scratch, and then that can be trashed too if he claims he is one and the same. And it just won't be the same game with a different name!

As for ascribing his persona to any existing real person here at Mudcat, why do people keep on doing that? The Sir Conan Doyle Rule "When you have eliminated everything impossible, what is left, no matter how improbable it seems, must be the answer" eventually suggests itself to every intelligent frustrated mind by a process of elimination, especially if it really is a 'put on'.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,G
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 07:23 AM

Why all this venom towards a man who is named after two guitars?

I am of the opinion that he has dropped much bait and most have taken it "hook, line and sinker".

Have you ever contemplated a 'put on'? And when has vile countered vile?

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Alba
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:24 PM

I was Talking about your post to the Ghost Ron...:)

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:22 PM

Alba--my first statement was to Guest (Ghost)--we need no personal threats against "Gibson"--that will just confirm his paranoia. We just need somebody reining him in on Mudcat---permanently.   Let him go back peacefully to a Chicago bathroom--- and spew all he wants to the 4 walls there.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Alba
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:15 PM

Cue: Deliverance Theme...:)

Ron, do you see Dead people or do you just talk to them...? smile
How are you Mr. Davies?

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:10 PM

Interesting you mention children. Martin is the one reason I don't encourage my kids to view this forum. And I think that suits the apologists mighty fine. The last thing they actually want is new blood here.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:05 PM

Guest (Ghost)--you ain't helpin'--one bit. No threats are necessary or desirable. Just let "Martin" return peacefully to his Chicago mailroom or Burger King----but cookieless.




Martin"s record speaks for itself. Any of his (its) defenders should make themselves familiar with the whole record before sounding off. They now show clear signs of ignorance on that score.

Disagreement, even heated and aggressive argument, is fine. Stupid vulgar vitriol is not. And he's a one-trick pony--that's his stock in trade.

But the worst aspect of it is that he takes no responsibility for any of it--it's just a game to the twisted person behind "Martin Gibson"

It's time for the game to end.

If his (its) game is stopped--- permanently--, Mudcat's tone will improve drastically---just by that one action.

If not, it will never improve.

I have also received support for this view from people who do not feel at liberty to register their opinions personally.

This is not a "lynch mob" How can you lynch something which doesn't exist? "--and we have been assured by the person behind "Martin" that "Martin" is just a persona--just a game, just a means to yank chains. Which is of course a delightfully easy way to avoid all responsibility for what "Martin" says.

It's just a persona--not a person. Fine. So no harm done--and a lot of good--if it is restricted, blocked or banned.

When the sick person behind "Martin" starts taking responsibility for what the persona says, you can start talking about "lynch mob". Don't hold your breath.

If stupid, vulgar, misogynistic attacks, ridiculous homophobia, obsession with scatalogical language and female hygiene, Know-Nothingism in the extreme, and seeeing anti-Semitism in every criticism---all blurted out by a feeble excuse for a person who takes no responsibility for any of the above---are all fine with you, then congratulations--- that's what you have in "Martin Gibson".

And it will never change. Hope you enjoy it.

Anybody, a new person or even a child, should be able to pull up Mudcat without having to wade through all the filth "Martin" spews. At this point, this is impossible.




The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Sound familiar?

"Martin" is not evil on a cosmic scale--say, starting a war for no good reason--to pick a purely theoretical example. He (it) is just evil on a petty stupid level.

If it doesn't bother you, that says it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Alba
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:09 PM

Don't you think it would be better if you kept some of your "outside the Mudcat" hobbies private Foolestroupe..**BG**
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 08:59 PM

"Okay, you are a vigilante if that makes you feel better. "

Nope! Just a highly provoked cold blooded murderer!

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 05:25 PM

Strange the mind set of people who think they have points that need proving? Hatred a very strong word too. Hhhmm very predictable.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 04:31 PM

And you think you're better than him!? I think you're trying to prove my point about those who seem to think hatred excuses anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,Ghost
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 02:56 PM

If Martin does reveal his real identity then maybe I know a man who can solve the problem....

He would deserve it.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 02:39 PM

wow! well done martin, your trip to europe is right up there with errol flynn's willy........ and general custer.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:40 PM

Do you need to be censored?

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:34 PM

Ron Davies - You said that it is rank slander to suggest that Max is Martin. Since I was the one that asked the question, I think it is my right to defend it. Slander of Max was not my intention. Since I had never met Max and because he allows Martin to continue his "racism/mysogyny/homophobia", I thought it might be possible that they were one in the same. Considering the amount of controversy Martin creates, it is not unreasonable to wonder if Max might have developed an alter ego to enhance the number of hits to this site. From all accounts, they are not the same person and I apologize to Max for entertaining the thought.

Big Mick and Ron Olesko - There is not one comment on this thread that is racist, sexist or homophobic. I don't see how you can equate any of the postings on this thread to Martin's posts. Arguing or insulting someone I can overlook, but when someone expresses their opinions of others in a destructive manner, I have two choices; ignore it or speak up.

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. You can't blame someone for fighting fire with fire when nothing else seems to work. I have been guilty of doing just that, after I have been attacked by Martin. Most of his comments about me have been completely 'out of the blue" and once in awhile I get fed up with it.

If you are one of Martin's fans, bully for you. Keep supporting him and wishing him well and it only confirms his point of view. Obviously many of you support Martin's right to free speech. I don't think he has a right to slander me or anyone else. His freedom ends where mine begins.

You are no better than the little cowards who stand around cheering as he bullies others. If Martin didn't have your support, he would not have so much power. Lets face, many of you enjoy the fact that Martin voices feelings that you are too timid to express. I feel nothing but disgust for the ugly character of Martin Gibson and disrespect for those of you who defend him.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:32 PM

Ebbie said it:

". . . I forgot to ask myself beforehand [before she posted] how I was going to feel about it later. The fact is that it soured the rest of my day."

I live a few blocks from a fairly large in-city park. There are lots of crows that perch in the trees around here (they all play the oboe very badly–and they only know one note). Sometimes their squawking can get downright annoying. But what am I going to accomplish by yelling back at them, other than merely making myself look and feel foolish?

The only person I can censor is me.

And I've spent about fifteen minutes this morning reading the latest posts here and typing this. That's fifteen minutes of my life that I'll never get back.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:18 PM

see what I mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:16 PM

I give you the last word on a silver platter as it means so much to you. Your contribution to this thread, along with mick's, has been to judge what others post. Please carry on the stirling job.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:11 PM

"the 'get it' being your take on life, (of course, because as we are all painfully aware by now there is no other.)"

Give it a rest Guest. You keep using the same tactic and it just doesn't work. When you can't come up with a legitimate response to someones point of view, you end up attacking the person making the statement. When you can't sway the opinion back into your way of thinking you launch a personal attack.   It looks like Martin Gibson is not alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 01:06 PM

That's right Ron. We will never get it....the 'get it' being your take on life, (of course, because as we are all painfully aware by now there is no other.)

Now save your energy for the sychophancy and leave others to express their opinions without you feeling the burning desire to tell us to 'stop and think.'

Control your own thoughts/emotions/responses and don't criticise us for ours. That last sentiment applies to anyone who percieves they possess the ability to tell others how to do it and when to do it.

The arrogance displayed by those who do the above severely limits their ability to look at anything objectively. Which is why they can never recognise it. Which is also why they are least equipped to moderate a forum.

Martin is a big boy ; he doesn't need banning or defending.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST,MN Mon :)
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:53 PM

Damn! I was goin' for the 200th post and I missed it.

But let me take this opportunity to weigh in and say I think the actual 200th post nailed the definition of Mudcat insanity, fer sure!

And let me just say that, after a cursory scroll down of this thread, you people are seriously fucked up.

From the day MG came to this place, I've ignored him. But then, I don't have any trouble ignoring trolls like the rest of you so obviously do. I guess that's what makes this place troll paradisio.

Oh, the only other sane comment I read in my cursory once over of this thread was the comment about the caliber of people who used to inhabit this place (Arlo Guthrie used to post here too), and the caliber of people who are the "Left Behind People" as a folkie neighbor of mine who lurks here now and then refers to you monkeys.

I wouldn't call this thread a lynch mob (though I am heartened that the clones perceive it as such--maybe they have good reason to feel so threatened). I'd call it an uprising against what has become the status quo since catspaw, Jeri, katlaughing, Big Mick and Joe Offer took on the job of forum moderation.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:52 PM

Jack & Guest, it just isn't worth it. You will never "get it". When you stop spinning peoples words and attacking the individual, then maybe there will be room for discussion.

The mirror is always open.

Nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Janie
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:37 PM

Random musings--

The Serenity Prayer

Grant me the Serenity to accept the things I can not change,
(I can't control what other people think, feel or do)
The Courage to change the things I can,
(I can change my own thoughts, feelings, behaviors)
And the Wisdom to know the difference.
(And the wisdom is the most difficult part to come by.)



One definition of insanity is 'doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'




If what you are doing works, do more of it.
If what you are doing doesn't work, stop doing it.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:16 PM

Jeri, bless you!

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 12:07 PM

I hope Martin is treated with kindness, courtesy and respect on his travels. That might make it more likely that those qualities will emerge here. -Alanabit

I agree 100 percent with this sentiment. I see that a lot of people here are treating Martin with courtesy and goodwill. I applaud them for it.

I see Ron Olesko acting as a surrogate for MG on this thread, I'll no longer be rising to his bait.

Ron Olesko. We are not all Martin Gibsons any more than we are all Big Mick's, Ron Oleskos or Alanabits. Saying that we are all "Martin Gibsons" was just an easy way for you to obliquely insult people and stir up an argument. Since you are now saying that you are familiar with his bad acts and still want to put everyone here on that level, I have no reason to talk to you and no interest in what you have to say. I'll be ignoring your posts from now on as I do Martins.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:57 AM

Mick unlike you I wouldn't ban martin. I know that he makes you feel powerless and that bugs the life out of you.

I would rather he post his opinions and others be allowed to respond without your interference.

But that would take an awful lot of self control on your part.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:54 AM

Ron when you stop telling others how/when/what to respond to hell will freeze over. In the meantime carry on. You obviously need to for some bizaare reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:40 AM

Sorry Guest, you are being way too sensitive. Yet again you fail to read what I am saying. No one is trying to control what you say or do. If you feel that someone expressing an opinion that differs from you is a problem, then you may need to get over yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:39 AM

Ebbie, when you're angry, I still respect you, like you, and pay attention to you. I DID ask myself if I was doing the same thing as everyone else. I don't think I was anywhere close, but stepping back for a bit to think about what one is doing is a good thing. And I never did see you as part of the 'lynch mob'. Discussing's a whole lot different than lynching.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:29 AM

Thank you for making my point. I have given my opinion. You don't like it so you endlessly point it out. The opinion isn't the point with you, it is that I posted it. The "Minnesota Twins" don't really care about the issue, it is about the poster.

I reiterate. Martin lays out the bait, you all take it. Martin is one problem. I would have barred him long ago, but it ain't my call. The other problem, just as big, is the feed you all give him and his kind.

My opinion, "Twin". I am just as entitled as you are to post it. Don't like it? I don't care.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:23 AM

Ron yet again you have a problem with what others choose to post. I have countered your point. I have said that I am as free to post what I wish as you are.

The difference being I don't feel the need to ask you to stop and think about what you are doing. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am.

I have said that the sychophancy sickens me more than the criticism. We don't agree. You continue the sychophancy and let others continue the criticism.

Your and mick's opinion is no more valid than others. Yet you genuinely believe they are the only opinions worth reading.

Neither of you can control 'martin's' racism/mysogyny/homophobia. And you also can't control how others react to it. With the two of you on that horse it is beginning to sag.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 11:12 AM

Well, danged. In my self righteous posts yesterday I forgot to ask myself beforehand how I was going to feel about it later. The fact is that it soured the rest of my day.

I still don't necessarily understand or agree with others' take on this but I am willing to grant that my take on it is not necessarily the wisest - judging by the taste on my tongue I wasn't wise at all.

My apologies to everyone for my ill nature. In the course of our lives we all meet many variants of characters. Some we love, some we shun. Some we try to understand, some we give up on. That's life- and that's good enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:20 AM

"Ron/Mick you are very fond of telling us how/what/when we should post. You have more in common with martin than anyone else here. As do the others who think like you. You can't accept others opposing opinions"

Again, you are using the same tactics that you blame Martin for. Instead of countering the points we make, you choose to attack us. You say that we do not accept others opposing opinions - but are you? Mick and I are not alone in what we are witnessing. Read this lengthy thread and you will see that.

I am not telling you what to post, I am asking you to think about it. I am writing my observations on what I see taking place.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 10:05 AM

Ron/Mick you are very fond of telling us how/what/when we should post. You have more in common with martin than anyone else here. As do the others who think like you. You can't accept others opposing opinions (if they oppose with your own.)

I find the sychophancy towards him a great deal more disturbing than any criticism of him. But I wouldn't dream of telling you not to post it.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:59 AM

"I'm not part of the Offical Lynch Mob. I just want to hang Martin for my own personal reasons."

Okay, you are a vigilante if that makes you feel better.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:34 AM

I'm not part of the Offical Lynch Mob. I just want to hang Martin for my own personal reasons.


ooooo, er....

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Anonny Mouse
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:32 AM

Agreed that his ABSENCE is a source of such. I thought I'd check in on the thread...and whoa. It's like waaaaaaaay long. I'm staying outta the "fight" to as I am pretty new and don't feel I have much to say about things I had nothing to do or any knowledge of. I spose you can call that burying my head in the sand or whatever. Also, when I first came here knowing NOTHING, I was favorably impressed as some of you knew and you all "warned" me...and ol' Bobert figured I was another creation of MG's. Well, I'm not.

I actually WAS interested that he was goin' to Europe in a detached kinda way. Maybe because of his Jewish roots he'll stop by the ruins of Auschwitz or Dachau and see what hatred in its worst most demonic form can lead to. I think actually STANDING on those ruins is different than reading ABOUT them, or watching old news footage on it, which is what most of us get. I've been "lucky" (seems like a poor choice of words) to see it first hand...and I left a different person than I came. Take that for what it's worth. When I wished him well on his trip and encouraged him to get in touch with his roots, that was a part of it. Now maybe he'd say he knows all about this kinda stuff-but that will be one point I'd be willing to debate with him: ya gotta be there, and you feel it. Hard to put into words.If he IS serious about music, he should understand: kinda like hearing a recording of a great concert, versus being in the audience at one (although that is a piss-poor analogy in THIS case, and I know it, so don't have a hissy).

Anyway, to me, this is the kind of negative energy I don't need, and like I said when I first joined up, I'm just not into fights or whatever. Call me naive, call me a dreamer. You're welcome to discount my 2 cents on this whatever y'all want.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:30 AM

"Don't tug on Superman's cape,
and you don't mess around with them!"

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:28 AM

Jack the Sailor - "Hold up the mirror as much as you like, I won't see Martin Gibson in it."

That speaks volumes. That is why this discussion is taking place.

"I am not using the same tactics.I'm calmly talking about someone who is an irritant for many of us. Neither is Ron Davies or any one else. If you are familiar with Martin's history and saying this shame on you."

Jack, you and Ron Davies are not the only person posting on Mudcat. I am not speaking directly at you and how you behave. My comments stand. I am familiar with Martin's history but that is not the issue at the moment, although you and others have been spinning it as such. The way people have been handling the issue is our complaint. You may not see it, but this mob is using the same tactics with different words.

Please read some of the other comments. I am not the only one that sees it, yet there only seems to be handful of you that have become the lynch mob.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 09:25 AM

"Peace, why close the thread?"

Did you READ the thread, twit? How about close the thread for the following--

"There was [corrected] a thread that was less offensive in its nature that 'attacked' a moderator here. That was closed or deleted."

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:44 AM

I sort of agree with the GUEST casual visitor (for a change) inasmuch as the attitude on this thread from people who I considerd knew better reflects the attitude of a lynching party rather than a forum for discussion and debate. How many of you consider yourselves better people than Martin Gibson. He is sure pushing some of your buttons and you are weak enough to let it send you out of your 'normal' thinking patterns. Come on guys....let's think about something else.
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:42 AM

Peace, why close the thread? Just use your willpower and stay away from it. You have helped Martin Gibson win.

Actually, from a bystander point of view, I thought he was nicer than you anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: alanabit
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:40 AM

I hope Martin is treated with kindness, courtesy and respect on his travels. That might make it more likely that those qualities will emerge here.

Subject: RE: BS: Martin Gibson to visit Europe
From: jacqui.c
Date: 17 Apr 06 - 07:30 AM

I'm waiting to hear Martin's views on the parts of Europe that he is visiting. I've done some travelling around a number of the countries and would be interested to hear what he thinks of them.

Other than that - I am staying out of the discussion here.