BS: Labour set for landslide election

Subject: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 11:57 AM

this is prediction of every poll in UK. but gotta say, anything is better than the tories.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 12:23 PM

In one way I certainly hope so, as it will be sometime in the term of the next parliament that Blair & Brown's pigeons will return to roost.

Looking at all their 'Pledges', off-hand, on any of the major ones, Health, Education, etc, I cannot think of one that they've delivered on.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourogh
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 02:37 PM

Doubt Labour will get anything near the vote they got last time at the local elections. Did you not listen to what is coming out of the Labour camp from their own councillors ?

They will loose seats hand over fist to the BNP. According to Labour, voters are so annoyed at present policies.


Very surprised to see Teribus speaking in favour of Labour, always struck be as the type would vote for the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 02:39 PM

Surely not that time already. Seems a bit tough on the tories and liberals, they'e only just chosen new leaders and nobody knows who they are.

one's been to Eton and says the usual sort of things that people who've been to Eton and lead the tory party say. the other one's old, and you say his Christian name Minghis - although its not spelled that way. Apparently he's not a pisshead.

I hope that will help sort out the candidates for the less politically aware.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 02:56 PM

I've just seen their party political broadcast. An absolute disgrace! Nothing but American style character assasination without any mention of a single policy. Crass, dumb and patronising. And I'm a supporter! (For want of a better alternative only)

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 03:06 PM

Are they for or against the landslide?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 03:12 PM

This is a troll thread started by a guest with the intention of getting publicity for another political party.
Please note the contribution from another guest!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: folk1e
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 03:38 AM

"getting publicity for another political party"
WHAT there is ANOTHER political party?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 04:02 AM

as if it matters who gets elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: clairerise
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 04:05 AM

agree john. but we cant not EVER talk politics or elections just because of that one party. if that was the case, they win.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 04:35 AM

Just so long as predictions that the BNP will make sigificant gains prove to be utterly and completely unfounded.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 10:13 AM

anyone got the link to the latest labour cartoon broadcast

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 10:17 AM

I'm for the landslide with all the politicians under it.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,rasputinseye
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 10:22 AM

whatever you do cybil, "Don't mention the B** - I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it."

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 02:09 PM

In my neck-of-the-woods the Labour council richly deserves to lose as they are a bunch of sanctimonius, hypocritical bastards who only seem to serve the interests of property developers these days - oh yes, and speed-bump builders.
In spite of my contempt for these tossers it still wouldn't persuade me to vote for the Tories - or any party to the right of them (perish the thought!!!).

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 04:22 PM

I'm truly amazed that any of the intelligent people who come here can contemplate voting Labour.

How often do you need to be shit on before you smell the roses??
There's the backdoor privatisation of public services, the money grubbing by ministers, the double standards over peerages, the manipulation of party funds, while the poorest of our people are taxed to the hilt...directly and indirectly, all the "public inquiries" which turned out to be whitewashes..ect ect


"And then there's those other things,
which for several reasons we won't mention"

Like the WAR, the dead children, the dead old people, the dead women,
Thousands and thousands of blind burned and limbless walking wounded, all because of US and our support for a party which rejected its founding principles and its roots and followed a mad leader who promised power for the Labour Party for ever.

I was brought up to distrust the Tories and I will never vote for them, neither will I ever vote for a Labour Party which contains any of the sycophants who have dragged the names of the great rebels into the mire!!.....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 04:37 PM

labour equals murder. no other party has that honour except labour.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,green
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 04:44 PM

Would you vote for these wankers

Conservative Party Criminals

SEX

. Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell - Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child porn.

. Tory Party Councillor (Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys - Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiple sex attacks on children.

. Tory Party Vice-Chairman of Welsh Conservatives, Andrew Baker - Received a banning order for stalking women.

. Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor - Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys, and was forced to resign.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington - Convicted of downloading hardcore child porn on his PC. Placed on sex offenders register and forced to resign.

. Tory Party councillor ( Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy - Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year old boy.

. Tory Party Mayor ( North Tyneside ), Chris Morgan - Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2 weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion of downloading child porn.

. Tory Party MEP, Tom Spencer - Caught smuggling drugs and porn through customs.

. Tory Party councillor and former Mayor (Wrexham), Michael Morris - Convicted and put on probation for 2 years, for the indecent assault of another man, which was captured on CCTV.

. Tory Party Liaison Manager on the London Assembly, Douglas Campbell, who's job includes running the Tory GLA website - Arrested for allegedly downloading child porn. He is currently suspended while the Police investigation continues.

VIOLENCE

. Tory Party MP (Henley), Boris Johnson - Caught on tape plotting to have a man beaten up by a hired thug. The man was a journalist who had written an unsympathetic piece about Johnson's close friend - Convicted fraudster, Darius Guppy.

. Tory Party Councillor (Folkestone - in Leader, Michael Howard's constituency), Robert Richdale - 41 year history of crime, involving 30 convictions and 5 prison sentences. Richdales enormous criminal record, which covers 10 pages of A4 paper, includes convictions for assault, theft, causing death by dangerous driving, forgery, drugs offences, possession of an offensive weapon, and sex attacks against underage schoolgirls. The Tory Party election campaign literature described Richdale as "a family man" who had a "compassionate personality"

CORRUPTION

. Tory Party councillor (Dudley), Abdul Quadus, who was also chairman of the Dudley Police Committee and a Tory Party spokesman on crime - Convicted and jailed for 6 months for passport fraud and assisting illegal immigration from his native country - Pakistan.

. Former Tory Party Cabinet Minister, Jonathan Aitkin - Convicted and jailed for Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.

. Former Tory Leader of Westminster Council, Dame Shirley Porter - Fled to Israel to evade justice after indulging in fraud, corruption and gerrymandering on a massive scale, and stealing millions of pounds from local taxpayers.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Margate ), Colin Kiddel - Forced to resign after Police investigation into his alleged theft and embezzlement of funds from the local `Dreamland` Amusement Park.

. Former Tory Party Chairman and London Mayoral Candidate, Jeffrey Archer - Convicted and jailed for Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.

Labour Party Criminals

SEX:

. Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

. Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

. Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancashire) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day.

. Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and threats to kill. After raping and threatening to kill his terrified victim, Winstanley then ordered the woman to go on all fours before urinating on her.

. Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

. Labour's current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - Has 2 Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.

. Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston - Convicted of sex offences in public toilet.

. Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before he could be convicted.

. Labour Councillor (North Yorkshire) Raymond Coats - Court appearance for indecently assaulting a woman.

. Labour MP (Rhonda Valley) Chris Bryant poses in his pants on the Internet to advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as "Horny as buggery" and says, "I'd love a good long fuck".

. Labour Councillor (Manchester), George Harding - Charged with indecent assault on a girl of 12.

. Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. "I was only looking for badgers" he said.

. Labour Councillor (Durham), Derrick Payne - Arrested by Police following a sex attack.

. Labour MP, Joe Ashton - Caught up in a Police raid while frequenting a brothel. Tried to lie his way out of the scandal.

. Labour Councillor (Shropshire), Derek Woodvine - Arrested by Police in anti-porn operation.

. Labour Councillor (Basildon), Tony Wright - Forced to resign after being caught using his council computer to download porn.

. Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.

. According to media reports, the names of 2 former Labour Cabinet Ministers said to be `Household names` appear on the `Operation Ore ` list of subscribers to hard-core child pornography. The same FBI investigation, which led to the arrest of rock star Pete Townshend. So who are they Mr Blair?

VIOLENCE

. Labour Councillor (Kirkby, Merseyside) Charlie Preston - Convicted and jailed for 5 years in 1982 for assault and burglary. Preston broke into the home of a 64 year old man, and beat him up in his bed as he slept before robbing the house. The judge described the case as "As bad a matter of burglary as I can remember" Preston also holds the position on the Council of... `Deputy Cabinet Member for Youth, Citizenship, and Community Safety`.

. Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Denis Jones - Convicted and jailed for unlawful wounding after attacking a neighbour with a sledgehammer.

. Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Ken Brookman - Bit off a mans ear in a dispute over a seat on a train!

. Labour Councillor and former Mayor (Stockton), Keith Dobinson - Investigated by Police for alleged assault on an OAP, which left the old man of 79, hospitalised.

. Labour MP, Tommy Graham - Expelled from Party for his part in driving a person to suicide.

. Labour Councillors (Ilfracombe), Brian Cotton and Tony Cooper - Investigated by Police following serious allegations of Harassment.

CORRUPTION

. Labour Councillor (Sandwell) Mohamed Niwaz convicted of illegally obtaining £20,000 in Housing Grants.

. Labour Councillors in Doncaster - 23 Convicted and 2 jailed for massive fraud, corruption and theft of public funds. Investigation also uncovered massive Labour Party corruption in neighbouring Rotherham .

. Labour Party Councillor ( Blackburn ), Mohammed Hussein - arrested together with 6 Labour activists on suspicion of Election rigging.

. Labour MP Mohammed Sawar ( Britain 's first Asian MP - Glasgow) was the subject of a major News of the World investigation a few years ago into bribery and corruption. Despite this, the massive Asian population in his constituency keeps him safely in his seat.

. Labour MP (Leicester) and former Cabinet Minister, Keith Vaz - Investigated for fraud and corruption before quietly leaving his Europe Minister post with `health problems`. According to his former Secretary, Vaz does absolutely nothing in his constituency other than help local Pakistanis with their Immigration cases (which also helps to explain the `whites a minority` status of Leicester and the safe Labour seat of Mr Vaz)

. Labour Party Euro MP, David Martin is currently being investigated for an alleged expenses fraud involving `hundreds of thousands of pounds`.

. Labour Councillor (Glamorgan), Shawn Stringer - Forced to resign following Police investigation into financial corruption.

OTHER

. Tony Blair recently appointed his close friend/crony and colleague of his wife - Ken Macdonald as the new Director of Public Prosecutions, despite the fact he has a drugs conviction.

. William Straw - Son of Labour Foreign Secretary, and former Home Secretary - Jack Straw, was cautioned by Police for drug dealing, amid a frantic Government attempt to cover up the matter and gag the media as to his identity. Jack Straw also has a brother who was convicted of a sex attack on a schoolgirl. Lovely family!

. Homosexual mass murderer; Dennis Nielsen, who strangled and dismembered 16 young men in the 1980`s, was also a highly active member of Labour fringe groups such as the Anti-Nazi League, and the SWP. That's when he wasn't busy boiling peoples heads in a pot, or masturbating over the corpses of his victims.

Liberal Democrat Criminals

SEX

. Lib-Dem Council candidate (Tower Hamlets), Justin Sillman - Convicted and jailed for 2 years for sexual abuse of young boys.

. Lib-Dem Councillor and Mayoral Candidate ( Sheffield ), Francis Butler- Prosecuted for indecent assault of a young boy.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Stockport ) Neil Derbyshire - Sexually assaulted a 16-year old boy in a public toilet. He was caught with a plastic bag containing lubricant, plastic surgical gloves, a condom, and underpants.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Preston ), Bill Chadwick - Charged with: Making an indecent photograph of a child, Incitement to rape, Incitement to murder, Incitement to kidnap, and Incitement to torture. Chadwick's gay lover - Alan Valentine, is also a Lib-Dem councillor.

VIOLENCE

. Lib-Dem councillor (North Norfolk), Catherine Wilkins - Also a nurse until she was struck off the nursing register after being found guilty of mistreating patients and abusive behaviour.

. Lib-Dem Parliamentary candidate ( Burnley ), Paul Wright - Charged with drunken assault on his `lodger`. Wright sobbed like a baby during the court case, and the case is to be re-listed and heard again after the jury failed to reach a verdict.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Sheffield ) Trevor Morgan - Convicted and jailed for 9 months for unlawful wounding/dangerous driving. After attacking an elderly woman's Golden retriever dog by throwing pepper in its face, he then seriously injured the dog's owner - 57-year old Barbara Johnson, with his car as she tried to stop him escaping.

CORRUPTION

. Lib-Dem Councillor (Peterborough), Michael Jackson - Prosecuted for 21 counts of Theft and False Accounting.

. 3 Lib-Dem Councillors convicted and jailed for Election Fraud in Hackney in 2001

. 12 Lib-Dem officials convicted of Election Fraud in Oldham in 2001.

. Julie Roberts - Convicted of 9 counts of benefit fraud in 2003. 2 weeks after the court case, she was elected as a Lib-Dem councillor in Leicester !

. Lib-Dem councillor (Portsmouth), Ray Race - Convicted and jailed for 4 months for election rigging, along with Lib-Dem colleague Michael Hayward. Race was arrested again in July 2003 for threatening a witness who helped to convict him.

. Lib-Dem councillor (Lambeth), Gabriel Fernandez - Forced to resign after being investigated for benefit fraud.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 04:48 PM

Well guest you have been busy, I don't think you researched all that material yourself did you?
In the interests of balance can we now have a similar list for the Labour party members misdemeanours.
Or do you suffer from selective posting like many others?
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 04:50 PM

labour is included in the list.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 05:12 PM

Sorry my mistake, I skimmed it a bit as there was so much of it.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 05:19 PM

Aye...there are a lot of them about.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 05:46 PM

I think the content of GUEST,green's post of 19 Apr 06 - 04:44 PM, has been aired on this forum previously, only on that occasion it was flown under it's true colours - It is, or was, campaign literature pushed by the BNP in the run up to the last election. Hint - the list details a number of UK political parties but does not mention the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 05:51 PM

GUEST,Gillian Brookbourogh - 18 Apr 06 - 02:37 PM

"Very surprised to see Teribus speaking in favour of Labour, always struck be as the type would vote for the BNP."

If you read my first post I am hardly speaking in favour of Labour, in fact quite the reverse.

As to being, "the type would vote for the BNP" - I can tell with with the greatest authority, NOT AS LONG AS MY ARSE POINTS DOWNWARDS.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbrough
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 05:55 PM

Excellent post GUEST,green really brought a lot to our attention, facts that I was not aware of. No surprise about the tory's. When you consider Margaret Thatcher's love of drink and young men, even craving young men now at 80 !

Well said.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: autolycus
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 05:58 PM

We get tthe politicians we deserve by our actions and inactions.


   Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 06:03 PM

shall we from the outset tiribus say that all attacks on the main parties are ALL a guise for the BNP?

im sure mudcat isnt on their priority somehow

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 06:14 PM

As has been said, an interesting list from "Guest,Green"
I note (quick skim only so I may have missed something) that it seems to be only the Tory party transgressors who are followed with the words "forced to resign" Maybe the author is a closet 'True Blue' despite a nom de plume which says Green

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: autolycus
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 06:22 AM

From an item on last night's Newsnight (BBC 2), the focus group result suggested Labour has a problem.

It's a shame electorates, being far more opinionated than informed, don't have their views questioned by philosophers, psychologists, historians etc,etc.

I was fundamentally impressed and affected by the students of Athens voicing their opinions with the same certitude as voters in the West today, only to have those opinions delicately torn to shreds by Socrates/Plato.


   Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,Brownshirt
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 07:48 AM

Here's a list for the BNP:

Nick Griffin (Party Chairman)

Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine The Rune carried obscene anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.

Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer).

In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of homemade hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three-years imprisonment.
In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions.

Colin Smith (South East London organiser).

Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.

John Tyndall (founder of the BNP).

Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.

Warren Bennett (Chief Steward).

Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members.

Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser.

Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home-town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity.

Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser).

Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub.

Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser).

Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him.

Robert Bennett.

A leading activist in Oldham BNP during the 2002 elections campaign, Bennett has served five years in prison for the gang rape of a woman. He has also served seven years for armed robbery and has over 30 convictions in total.

Mick Treacy.

The Oldham organiser has five convictions for violence, theft, and handling stolen goods

Darren Dobson.

Found guilty of racially aggravated assault at Oldham magistrates in November 2001. Fined £300. Connected to football hooligans in the Oldham area, and has links to the nazi terror group Combat 18

Darren Hoy.

April 2002, the BNP supporter was sent to prison for 3 months for racially abusing people as they left an anti-fascist rally in Oldham.

these are just a few of the more prominent ones. The wank and file must have convictions running into the thousands.

As my good friend Green said, who would vote for this bunch of wankers?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 11:38 AM

BTW, in case anyone cares, the inital post was a load of Bollocks.

The Labour Party are in for a hammering.

Their poll ratings are lower than the the last set of elections, and voters behave diffrently at local elections. They are less likley to vote at all, and are far more likley to vote against the Goverment, and are more willing to vote for one of the small parties, (UKIP, Green,....) as they see the local elections as less important.

The dynamics of how the Tories and Lib dems will do relative to each other are far too complicated to go into here, and depend very strongly on local factors.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Emma B
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 12:04 PM

Everyone in the UK that listens to the radio, watches TV or reads a newspaper recognizes that the intial post was exactly that but then we have to ask why would anyone (even a guest) want to post such bullshit?
Possibly so someone like "Gillian" could follow it up in less than 10mins with a blatant plug for the BNP?
I suspect we will see more of these tactics here and in the wards before the elections.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 04:58 PM

are you kidding. i posted the first one. everyone says every year labour are going to suffer and they never do. at the height of outcry over iraq labour won the general election by a landslide.

it is not bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 05:03 PM

That was before the Hutton enquiry among others, the lies have been exposed now.
G

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 05:12 PM

oh yes. the Hutton enquiry. that is going to be in the minds of all voters. get real. do you think most people even know what the hutton report was?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 05:33 PM

I'm sure there will be plenty of Labour opposition candidates who will help to keep it fresh in the voter's minds.
I like the idea of a landslide election right enough. I think your average landslide would run this country better than your average politician of any party.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:12 PM

Nameless GUEST, please find a name or find somewhere else...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 09:27 AM

why? are guests not allowed on mudcat? if that is the case what am i doing here?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 01:56 PM

"We get the politicians we deserve by our actions and inactions."

True enough. Some people are joiners and most are not. Those who do not join have every right to say what ever they please but joiners will change parties.

The Labour Party has been around a long time and will continue long after Blair. Most of us want out Party back and just as we rescued it from Militant in the 1980's, we will get it back from the Blairites

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 02:55 PM

No you won't, I'm sorry to say, but the party that the unions started is dead, and is beyond resuscitation. Apart from which there are not enough working union members paying dues to finance a political party in this day and age of cash driven politics.
Sorry Les!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 03:31 PM

Lot of truth in that John! When was the last union victory of any significance?

Militant was a very powerful organisation with more full time officials than the Labour Party itself. But in the end mainstream Labour chucked 'em out.

Most members don't like the way TB runs the Party or the government, but then they didn't like Wilson, Calaghan or Kinnock much either.

It looks like TB was wrong on the war, pretty big mistake hey? But following 9/11, and about 20 UN resolutions something had to be done and Bush and TB did the wrong thing. That is why the Labour Govt. is unpopular. We have been unpopular before.

What shall we all do? Write posts or join the Lib Dems?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 03:47 PM

You don't have the luxury of wasting your vote on the ScotNats like I do ☺ ☻
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Grab
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 04:37 PM

Bunn, the nameless Guest is making a fair contribution. I just pray the polls are wrong. We've been shat on comprehensively for the last 40 years by Labour and the Conservatives, so I just hope that enough people will see sense and move to the only significant party that hasn't been in power over that period.

It depresses me when you hear people saying "well at least with Labour/Tories you know what you're getting, and anyway the Lib Dems haven't got a hope so I won't vote for them". Those people really deserve the thorough rogering they get - it's just a shame that the rest of us get reamed too.

One of these days, I'd like to see every voter fill in a compulsory multiple-choice paper to state their chosen party's policies. If you can't say what that party stands for (more than, say, 2 out of 10 wrong) then your vote is discarded, since you've disqualified yourself by failing to show sufficient diligence/intelligence to make a rational decision in the matter. Ah well, we can dream, can't we?

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,Johnny Miller
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 08:48 AM

don't think TB had much influence - maybe he helped delay the inevitable.
As soon as W was "elected" the neo-cons marked Irak as first target.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 12:21 PM

If you don't like Blair's Labour Party do what I do - work for the most palatable of the opposition parties at election time. In my case the 'most palatable of the opposition parties' is the Lib Dems. As I've said before, the Tories, or any party to the right of them, are not palatable, and never will be, as far as I am concerned.

If the Lib Dems get elected and sell-out (as they probably will do) I will work for someone else - the Greens, perhaps? Who knows, if Labour get a 'bloody nose', throw out Blair, and learn their lesson I might go back to working for them?

What is certain is that I will never join a political party again - but I still get to participate in the political process (or what passes for it).

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookborough
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 04:48 PM

Listen, if people are fed up with seeing homes and jobs go from the areas they live in they are entitled to speak up against it. So sick of people coming up with the goody goody approach and calling anyone who doesn't agree with them and their LOVE THE WORLD views a racist. Have you ever lived in such an area ? Then don't talk about things you know nothing about

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 05:20 PM

More point in geting annoyed at the EEC in that case, they are responsible for the loss of more jobs in the UK than anybody else.
It would seem to be pure prejudice to blame it on people just because you fear and dislike them!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 06:25 PM

Gillian, immigrants don't usually take people's jobs - they tend to do jobs that the 'native' people don't want to do - like picking cockles, in the middle of the night, in Morecambe bay, for example.

I do believe that we have overpopulation issues in this country - particularly in many of our large cities - and the politicians find it expedient to ignore them. Under these circumstances it's very easy to blame foriegners for our discomfort - but this, I am convinced, is scapegoating motivated mainly by xenophobia.

There's nothing wrong with 'LOVING THE WORLD' - as you put it - and there are very good historical reasons for hating and fearing racists.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookborough
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 04:54 AM

There is nothing wrong with loving the country you grew up in. Yes there is a lot wrong with government policy. Sorry but I do find it hard to accept seeing a beautiful Ave, I grew up in now a slum where property prices went through the floor and were bought up by the people who made it a slum in the first place. I went for a job as an Arts Officers with a local council two years ago. If I got the job non whites had the right to have my appointment reviewed and on the basis I got the post. If an non white got the post I did not have the right. I got the post, and there were five individuals called for investigations. After three months my appointment was upheld. So this is Britain today and some of you are willing to accept it, sorry many such as myself simply won't.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 05:24 AM

I do find it hard to accept seeing a beautiful Ave, I grew up in now a slum where property prices went through the floor and were bought up by the people who made it a slum in the first place

It's interesting that you said that, rather than, for example I do find it hard to accept seeing a beautiful Ave, I grew up in now a slum where the houses were bought up by the people who made it a slum in the first place. As a simple matter of mathematics, on average you will be worse off as a family with high house prices if you own less houses than have dependant children...

Your experience clearly differs from mine. When a street I lived in 'went downhill', as judged by such things as rusting cars in the front of the house, piles of rubbish and so forth, all of the offenders were white for several generations. The non-white families all kept their properties to a higher standard than the average.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 05:43 AM

Actually, I do love the country that I grew up in (although not uncritically). When I was growing up in the 50s my home town, Peterborough, was full of immigrants - Poles, Italians, Ukrainians etc., etc. These were mostly people displaced by the 2nd World War and its aftermath and I am very proud of the fact that my home town gave these people a refuge. Later other people arrived - West Indians and people from various parts of South West Asia. No doubt there were, and probably still are, problems - but what an amazing experiment in tolerance and understanding (especially given the dire events in other parts of world during the 20th Century).
Now I live in NW England - another area with a rich, multicultural heritage - and still there are problems and, possibly, plenty of examples where one group is, or appears to be, favoured over another. Personally, though, I wouldn't have it any other way.

I also have my own employment story. Recently my job was made redundant and I found myself on the 'scrapheap' at the age of 57. Around the time that this was happening the company that I worked for took on a youngish lad from one of the new 'emerging' European nations to the East and he filled a role in the same department in which I had been working. Now I suppose, if I was mean-spirited enough, I could shout about this lad 'taking my job'; in actual fact he did nothing of the sort because he was trained in a specialism that the company was in need of. In fact the company had been unable to find a British worker to fill this particular role. I see very clearly here that the 'culprit' is not my friend from Eastern Europe (who is only trying to make a living like the rest of us) but the 'system' that treats people like commodities. I prefer to direct my political energies towards changing the system (by lawful means, of course) rather than scapegoating foreigners.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Mo the caller
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 06:02 AM

That beautiful avenue had aged 20 years or so when it went downhill, probably got to the stage where all sorts needed doing.
I knew people who sold a house to a "nice young white couple" rather than annoy their ex-neighbours by selling to foriegners. It turned out that they were a front for landlords. And rented property is likely to send an area downhill faster as short term renters dont always want to spend time keeping the front garden nice etc (not their investment).

But DMcG, though you may be better off on average with low property prices, where it hurts is buying at high prices which then fall.
And if any politician can sort that one out so that everyone can have the house they want, in the location they want at a price they can afford AND without ruining the area with housing estates, then they can turn water into wine for their next manifesto

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 06:47 AM

It would have helped if the decision to sell people their council house had never been made.
How come private landlords can make a profit renting property but local councils lost money?
All this contributes towards the general malaise that affects the UK, none of which is attributable to people of non UK origin coming here to work.
Yes it is wrong that instead of improving their working conditions many employers look for workers who will put up with these conditions.
So blame the employers don't blame the workers!
Don't accept the word of people like the BNP for who is to blame, look for yourself to find the culprit, and don't take their biased word for it.
Finally look to yourself for the solution to your woes, don't try to blame it on some innocent person who is only trying to make a better life for him/herself and their family.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Labour set for landslide election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 10:42 AM

great news about the labour landslide!
I'm so happy!