Folklore: IPaddy Molony Commisar of Orirish Musak?

Subject: RE: Folklore: IPaddy Molony Commisar of Orirish Musak?
From: Ernest
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 08:07 AM

Sorefingers, the goodtime irish music the Dubliners made popular is not threatened by the Chieftains or people who strive to play the way they do.

Since the Pogues made themselves a name with playing that kind of music folk-punk-style there are lots of bands jumping on that bandwagon, who lack the credibility/songwritership of the Pogues/McGowan. It is them who are turning it into cheap pub music.

You might say that the Chieftains, on the other hand, try to lift irish tunes (which - as dance tunes gernerally are "goodtime"-music)up to "serious" music.

Can you blame people for the wish to be serious musicians rather than mere musical wallpaper for the brewery trade?

Regards
Ernest

Subject: RE: Folklore: IPaddy Molony Commisar of Orirish Musak?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 07:42 AM

only her and her father, well I suppose its a start that she's noticed English people sound like something else....

Subject: RE: Folklore: IPaddy Molony Commisar of Orirish Musak?
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 07:10 AM

Has any nation the right to claim any music as theirs?

All you can claim is that it is music that is currently being made (at that moment) within th current borders of that nation.

If Liza, her dad and all the other members of her family were making the same music in Ireland - perhaps it could be described as being Irish music?

It is just music and it is an international music - which Paddy and co have clearly demonstrated and 'good on em' for that. Most of the people of the world are devided on national grounds. Let's not also do this to music but let the universal language of music unite us.

Subject: RE: Folklore: IPaddy Molony Commisar of Orirish Musak?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 06:48 AM

Sadly , its threads like this that give weight to Lisa Carthy's statement that 'Only her and her father' are playing any English music these days ! There is Nowt wrong with Irish music , but please dont forget the wealth of wonderful English (AND ,by the way) Welsh tunes that we have in our tradition .

Subject: RE: Folklore: IPaddy Molony Commisar of Orirish Mu
From: Bainbo
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 06:25 AM

IPaddy? I thought that mst be one of those portable gizmos for listening to Irish music.

Yes, the Chieftains have brought their diddly-diddlies to blues, rock, country, and jazz. And don't you think they've improved them all? Their cross-Celtic collaborations, with the likes of Carlos Nunez, have been interesting, too.

I agree with weelittledrummer - the integrity of the music always seems to be preserved, no matter what. And it's usually damn good fun, too.

Subject: RE: Folklore: IPaddy Molony Commisar of Orirish Musak?
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 06:07 AM

The musical talent of Paddy and Co I hope is not doubted. So all that is left is our personal tastes.

I see no lack of Dubliners type music making - far from it in fact.

Each to their own.

Subject: RE: Folklore: IPaddy Molony Commisar of Orirish Musak?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 02:56 AM

This is a wee bit churlish.

Not really my kind of music, but The Chieftains for godsake.... They're integrity personified. And they have such grace and nobility in their fingers.

Subject: RE: Folklore: IPaddy Molony Commisar of Orirish Musak?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 02:47 AM

I suggest you catch your critics out by playing something from the first two Chieftains LPs. Chieftains 3 is starting to get a bit questionable and Chieftains 4, in my view, marks a clear beginning of what you might call the Chieftains style of playing.

Subject: RE: Folklore: IPaddy Molony Commisar of Orirish Mu
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 12:53 AM

Cheiftains are all individually great musicians, but Paddy Moloney has become the prostitute of Irish music. in his determination to get the Cheiftains name up in lights Paddy would have them play with any blues, rock, country or jazz band or even the Sex Pistols if it helped.

Yeah, I love the Dubs too.

eric

Subject: Folklore: Paddy Molony Commisar of Orirish Musak?
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 09:31 PM

Lately I lament the absence of original and interesting tunes at folk gatherings, where 99% of the time it's something off a Chieftains record and more often than not, the player even apes the bad tempo as well, no to mention odd ball settings designed to accomodate the sqealin pipes or make em even more the center of the music - which BTW they aren't and never were

It has become so bad that if you playe Irish stuff from the years before the Chieftains were out of school - as I did - and that is different to what the great Party Chief recorded, then now sooner are you over bar one, some smart Alec will correct you with suitably 'in the know' insults.

What ever happened to the good time Irish music that the Dubliners made so popular?