BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Jeri
Date: 31 May 06 - 05:11 PM

Heric, I think the thread might have been Bob Dylan was wrong! (Long post.. damn near an essay), but even I can't remember. I don't hate anybody. I despise the act of deliberately tormenting people, but I'll leave hatred to those who do so, and not let it make me as small as they are.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 31 May 06 - 04:50 PM

None of my business but I just stepped into the icky usenet waters to read that stuff, and poked around. But the thread linked to above is after the fact, where "everybody (except Abby Sales) hates the MN monster" is well documented.

But the problem seems to have originated in a thread called "Dylan shafted Nic Jones," in a post where she responded to a post by one Dave Webber. That, unfortunately, I cannot locate. She doesn't come across as a monster in the "Nic Jones: A Belated Introduction" thread linked, or the others I could find. Just on the defense.

If you're sure she now is always on the prowl to raise Cain, well then fine, but I hope she isn't paying a price seven years later for ill-tempered usenet behavior and pissing off the crowd. I can only think of two people around here (InOBU and Jerry Rasmussen) who have never flown off the handle.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Big Mick
Date: 31 May 06 - 02:43 PM

What she said.

And I have never logged out to make comments. What you see is what you get.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Jeri
Date: 31 May 06 - 02:36 PM

This goes back ages, before Mick, before Mudcat. Just one snapshot in Usenet time, that will subtly hint at not only who the current troll is, but who was doing all that nasty stuff in the Nic Jones threads. It's why I believe I know who it is who starts threads attempting to goad people, then focuses on writing volumes in multiple posts to attack the people, because the thread was NEVER INTENDED to be about anything else. From the shadows of anonymity, she provokes, then calls people who react 'bullies' and tries to lump them together in some fashion so they look like a conspiracy. When you've seen what she does, it doesn't take much to recognize the tactic. Have some fun, click on 'view profile' at the above link and read some of her other messages and see if you agree. Read some of mine, and see if you think I've learned anything. Ask her how many times Max blocked her.

Understand that there IS a history here. Do what you like, believe what you need to, but know that there is something behind the 'Minnesota' thing.

As for speculation about who logs out to be nasty, I think people who are nasty with their names aren't the fearful, timid ones who are afraid for people to know what they're really like. Joe outed one, and there's another who was - I believe - consistently manipulated by Marting Gibson until he disappeared and was replaced by a GUEST wyo was quite a good writer. I think Clinton and Lepus Rex don't have any real need to go anon. I think Mick is Mick and isn't afraid to get into it with people but does so with a sense of honor. Look to those who like to argue, but are easily upset and aren't too tightly wrapped to begin with, or perhaps have professional images to protect.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome sans biscuit
Date: 31 May 06 - 02:06 PM

As to my 'ranting'. How about you go back and read my contributions and at least make a good faith attempt to compare what you refer to as rants (and I would say were attempts to stave off the begrudgers and belittlers attacking me personally, in an effort to save the thread), to my on-topic contributions here.

Then, compare and weigh that against the contributions by:

Big Mick
Dead Horse
Peace
Sinsull
Dave the Gnome
Jeri
Ron Davies

Much as I would thank you for putting me amongst such illustrious company I must take exeption.

I have trawled back through the postings and list bellow the total sum of my contributions.

That's what I thought as well, Sinsull. I am not sure it is the obvious suspect though. Perhaps Joe or one of the clones can look at the IP addresses to see if it is?

If it is I guess the answer to your question is that they were doing spectaculary poory on the other one? But that's only my 2 penn'urth. Sori's arguments on this one do seem a lot more reasoned so even it is the character I have in mind they seem to be faring better here.

I am on a course for the next few days so I may only be popping in and out occasionaly but I will keep my eye on it.

Joe/Clones if this is a question of multiple identities can you do anything about it? Ta.

DtG

Nice one, Jeri:-) Who's sori now, ideed!

I don't know if you read what I said, Sori. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying you you did NOT look like the other poster. Your attempt to turn that into a personal insult to you makes me think I was wrong in doing so.

I was not going to post it on this thread as I have said it enough on the other. NO ONE KNOWS. There is no valid evidene for or against the existence of Jesus. It is all supposition. Make your own mind up based on the vague 'proof' provided but don't try and pass it off as the truth either way.

Cheers

DtG

Forgot to add - Who says Zeus is mythic anyway?

:D (tG)

Now, I must say that my knowledge of the language is far from perfect but nowhere in the above posts do I glean a slightest bit of bemoaning, begrudging or personaly attacking. Unless of course you are refering to another thread, dear Sori. You are not suggesting that I attacked you on that thread are you? How can that be? You have already stated you have not contributed to that thread.

Until now, I have always been more than fair with you and given you the benefit of the doubt. Are you now telling me that I have been wrong in my assesment?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 May 06 - 01:59 PM

I do not give a rat's ass for whether Sori is Lepus Rex or Monty Python or actually Jesus (or maybe Zeus) deciding he doesn't want to be Messiah any more and just retire to Florida. A lot of folks (or at least one), feeling he/she/it/they need to remain anonymous by posting as GUEST, do seem to think it's a world-shaking issue for some reason. Can you please take this out into the alley where it belongs so we can get back to the discussion?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 06 - 01:10 PM

Or you. It's what happens when guests can post, isn't it.!?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 06 - 01:10 PM

ME!?!

Fuck that.... I couldn't be bothered going through all that BS to 'hide' my ID....

Don'ts gots nothin' to hide......

Or are you still railing on at BM?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 06 - 12:58 PM

BTW, it certainly sounds (the multiple identity parts anyway) as if that could be A LOT of people who post at Mudcat as members, log off, then back in as someone different, then log off, back in as themselves, then log off and in again as someone different again.


Like YOU for example.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 May 06 - 11:40 AM

"an unhealthy obsession with unmasking the identity of someone(s) he claims "to know who they are"

One of the biggest issues with Mudcat is the overwelming number of members who think they know-it-all.... and that they have something to prove or someone to impress.... All groups of nerds are like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 31 May 06 - 11:08 AM

All gods are mythical.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 06 - 08:02 AM

Should not most of the Mudcat threads, not all but most, be taken with "a grain of salt?"

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Another
Date: 31 May 06 - 07:38 AM

If Lepus Rex were here, I doubt he would put the same smiley face spin on his interactions that you are getting from Big Mick.

There is a lof of abuse of power and authority going on around here, and you aren't the first notice or say so.

so dianavan, I don't think you owe anyone an apology, least of all Big Mick, who has a real chip on his shoulder in general, and an unhealthy obsession with unmasking the identity of someone(s) he claims "to know who they are" because of their writing style.

Which, when taken at face value, sounds pretty damn ridiculous. Perhaps because it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Big Mick
Date: 31 May 06 - 07:36 AM

I second Joe's thanks.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 May 06 - 04:12 AM

Thanks, Don. What you say makes a lot of sense.
-Joe Offer, sick of being lumped with the fundamentalists-

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: dianavan
Date: 31 May 06 - 02:53 AM

OK, Mig Mick, I take it back. I guess you weren't pointing to Lepus Rex. That means I don't know who you are talking about but I don't much like the way this guest is obsessing (even though I think they may have a point).

I'm outa here.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 06 - 11:39 PM

And how can you say "for the record" this is or isn't Lepus Rex or anyone else, for that matter?

Again, your "secret Mudcat editor" privlege.

So that allows you to spy on the people who post here? That allows you to give out private information of people who post on this website?

Now that REALLY sucks.

If you are willing to do that to your bogeyman AND Lepus Rex so openly, what are doing to others in secret?

And the other clones--what sort of private information about posters that you have data mining access do you all swap with each other and god knows who else?

And we are supposed to believe you when you say you aren't abusing your authority as a Mudcat editor?

Unless it's for a good cause, like witch burnings of people you personally dislike?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 06 - 11:33 PM

BTW, it certainly sounds (the multiple identity parts anyway) as if that could be A LOT of people who post at Mudcat as members, log off, then back in as someone different, then log off, back in as themselves, then log off and in again as someone different again.

So how is this person any different than brucie/Peace? You didn't "expose" him and his identity. Or anyone else's for that matter.

So again, what gives with this person you claim is so awful? So hurtful and abusive?

And again, why not let and let live, and let everyone decide for themselves what sort of person they are conversing with, instead of you dictating to them what they SHOULD think about a poster, just because YOU hate them?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 06 - 11:26 PM

How about providing the forum with some actual proof this bogeyman even exists?

Or providing some credible evidence (hint: "style" doesn't constitute legitimate proof) that every post/thread you claim to be originating from this bogeyman, be verifiable with proof that is transparent and available for all to see? Instead of these attacks from the shadows you and the clones keep making with your "secret Mudcat editor" claims.

Why should people take your word for it? Because you swing a big club here?

Well, duh. The people you've clubbed with it over the years certainly know that.

Then, as soon as it becomes obvious you have overstepped the bounds of reasonableness, you offer up an insincere mea culpa to get back in everyone's good graces.

But that is the behavior of a bully, not a person of integrity.

And your inner bully ain't so secret to a lot of folks around here.

Of course, all your fans will rush in now, and say it ain't so. But those who have had run-ins with your inner bully know what's what.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 06 - 11:17 PM

And did Max appoint you the guardian of this forum, to point out this person to the world whenever you find them posting to a thread?

Or did you appoint yourself to use your power and authority as a Mudcat editor to check the IP & let everyone know when this person you personally hate so much appears here?

Why the need to point someone out? Can't posters here be allowed to decide for themselves who is a troll and who isn't, without the Mudcat editors telling them?

Do you have so little judgment (or is it so much contempt?) for your fellow Mudcatters, that you feel you MUST act as Mudcat patriarch, and be both judge and executioner of this one person so few people even have on their radar? Even people who post here often?

Are you saying this person you are attempting to expose here the equivalent of Martin Gibson?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:52 PM

Here, put out those lighters before you start a fire!!! Get up, there is no need to prostrate yourselves.

Why am I reminded of the DeGaulle line when someone said "Mon Dieu, we are winning by a landslide." He is purported to have responded with something like, "Of course, but you may call me Mr. President".

Dianavan, I am sorry that is the way you see it, but I call it like I see it. I have seen this poster abuse folks for years. I have seen this poster use multiple identities to get arguments and strife going. I have seen this poster hijack any thread that was counter to what s/he thought it ought to be. I have seen this poster, when asked reasonably not to, just abuse folks that were simply trying to have a discussion that involved sentiments s/he didn't like.

I will say for the record that this isn't Lepus Rex. Lepus will drop me a line from time to time. I respect him, though I disagree with many of his positions. But he is a long time contributor with valid points of view. While he often is passionate in his criticism, he is not a vile person, or a patronizing person.

I have respected your posts, dianavan, and your points of view. But this person has crossed the line too many times for me to totally ignore. What really bothers this poster is that I don't argue with him/her. I simply point out each time I see it when the post is a troll.

I think the discussion of Jesus as mythic God probably could be pretty interesting. Why not get back to it? Because this Sori excuse of a troll doesn't really want you to, that's why.

But I have said my piece. And I will continue to watch for this person's troll bait. Sorry it bothers you, I really am.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 May 06 - 09:14 PM

I notice, Sori, that you didn't start posting here on Mudcat until around the end of May, this year. That is, of course, assuming that you haven't changed your identity after having posted here for some time before that. To say what you have said about me in your post just above indicates that you know nothing about me or what I have been posting consistently for some time on these threads regarding the religious Right and their association with the political Right. I am hardly a "sympathizer" of the religious Right.

One of the things I have tried to point out on many of these threads is that until liberals and progressives, all too many of whom tend to be dedicated to one issue (environment or health care or peace or civil rights or maintenance of a strong social safety net—all causes which I enthusiastically endorse), as if their issue was the only one of importance, had damned well better get their act together, dismount from their particular hobby horses for a few moments, and start cooperating with each other if any of their causes are ever to succeed.

This is something the Right figured out decades ago, after Barry Goldwater lost his run for the presidency. They raised their "Big Tent" and invited others of their general persuasion to put aside their own personal interests at least temporarily and cooperate, so that the Right could gain political power and then bring all their wishes into fruition. A major faction that entered that Big Tent was a very powerful group indeed:   religious conservatives. Indeed they've been one of the most important and influential factions in putting the Right into power. It worked, as we now see.

Where you start verging on bigotry is when you lump all Christians together, as if Christians in this country are a monolithic force. They most emphatically are not.

One of the biggest splits on the Left lies between secular liberals and religious liberals. Secular liberals (of which you, apparently, are one) are all too often very hostile toward toward anyone religious, drawing no distictions between religious conservatives and religious liberals. If you have any interest at all in seeing a more progressive government in this country, you should be aware that there are large numbers of religious liberals who are sick and tired of the religious Right claiming to speak for all Christians, as if they, and only they, have a direct pipeline to the mind of God. Many are starting to speak out, and they can be a very powerful force. The Rev. Jim Wallis, retired Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong, and a large number of other liberal religious leaders are writing books and articles, traveling the country giving speeches and lectures, and appearing on radio and television talk shows. They're speaking out, trying to inform people that religious conservatives, with their concentration on things like anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage don't have a lock on moral values. Christian moral values include most of the same things the secular liberals advocate, such as good stewardship of the environment, peace, and help for those who cannot help themselves.

If secular liberals are going to have any chance of regaining political power in this country and stop the current spread of theocracy (not to mention something that looks and awful lot like fascism), they'd better develop a brain cell or two, and join forces with religious liberals and make common cause. Religious liberals don't want this country to turn into a theocracy any more than you do, and it's going to take everything we've got to stop it.

The tack you're taking in this thread is not helping your cause. Or mine.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 06 - 09:08 PM

GROAN.

Well, we are all in for it now.

Isn't it in a permathread some where that NO ONE should ever challenge Big Mick's delusions?

There will be no end to the puffed-uppery, breast beating, and the bloviated egotistical attacks upon any who question Hizzoner's delusion that The MN Ghost challenges the very threads of the fabric of this sacred community?

And that only he, and he alone, be chivalrous enough to rise to defend the Mudcat Realm and the Good People Posting There, to protect them from the Doom and Gloom Monster of the North?

Why, it is his destiny as Mudcat Bard!

Hail! Hail! Hail! to the Mudcat Bard (ye plebes kneel here). Bardic Defender of All that Is Vile Among Wimmens and Wolves from MN!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: dianavan
Date: 30 May 06 - 08:11 PM

Big Mick - When you post stuff like, " this is but another piece of troll bait from the Minnesota Monster trying to wind folks up," I start to lose respect for you.

The quote above leads any member to the Locator to find out who you are trying to 'finger'. Looks like you are telling us that it is Lepus Rex. The only way you know that is because you have access to privileged information. In most situations that is called an abuse of power.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 May 06 - 07:56 PM

It appears that sometimes it is difficult to ascertain whence the stench cometh. ; backatcha

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 07:31 PM

It's pretty tough to sniff inaudibly, when one is holding one's nose from the stench.

My deahly departed. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 May 06 - 07:23 PM

In the course of reading Emily Post and other good-manners mavens, one discovers that it is dreadfully rude to respond rudely to others' rudeness. The well bred person is expected to sniff inaudibly and depart the premises. Farewell, my deah.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 07:19 PM

Don, you are in the wrong thread, then.

It is clear you want to discuss whether or not there is an historic Jesus.

I don't.

I want to discuss the impacts of religious believers/sympathisers' beliefs upon the rest of us, and what it means for the future.

I am discussing it in the context of the Christian religion, because I am currently being misruled by Christians in a country where they should not have the right to impose their mythical beliefs upon my or anyone else's reality.

The above are two totally different conversations, hence the need for two threads.

Clearly, the Christians & their sympathisers here in Mudcat, as is also true in our political world right now, do not want to see non-believers have a public forum for the discussion of what is important to us.

Hence, the derailing and hijacking of this thread.

You are behaving every bit as well as the Christian right wing of the Republican party in this thread.

Why?

You won't leave non-believers alone for long enough to hold a conversation.

Rather, you claim that we are bigots. You claim we are intolerant. All because we won't discuss the issue in YOUR terms, rather than our own.

So who is truly being intolerant here?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 May 06 - 07:11 PM

Okay, back to the original discussion.

My considered opinion:

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

Jesus was really Julius Caesar. Jesus was really Zeus. Jesus was really Horus. Jesus was really Josephus. Jesus was really Paul. Jesus was really William Shatner. Jesus was really (fill in blank                      ). Jesus was really anybody but Jesus.

Cogent arguments, those.

I recall in an English Lit. class I took way back when:   subject, Shakespeare's plays. The question came up about those who insist that Shakespeare didn't really write the plays that where attributed to him. Various people claimed that they were really written by Ben Jonson, Christopher Marlowe, the Earl of Derby, the Earl of Rutland, the Earl of Southampton, the Earl of Essex, Sir Walter Raleigh, Francis Bacon, and a whole raft of other "usual suspects" including Queen Elizabeth I. After spending a fair amount of class time chewing over the possibilities and in the end, by applying Occam's Razor, we concluded that it was probably Willliam Shakespeare who wrote the plays of William Shakespeare. One of the students asked, "Why do people feel it's necessary to question what's patently obvious? What's to be gained?"

"Well," said the Prof, "it gives them something to do and keeps them off the streets."

In the meantime, Sori, you seem to be accusing only the Christians (and I do not number myself among them, surprise, surprise!) of being the "shit-stirrers" around here. That's not my perception of it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 07:09 PM

Azizi just said this on the 'Balancing Mudcat' thread:

"The problem within the Mudcat community that I'm most concerned about is not that there are different groups of people and that some people within different circles don't get along with others. As far as I'm concerned, such is life. However, my overarching concern is that-in my opinion, there have been times when moderators have not been fair, and consistent in their deletion of individual's threads or posts. dividual's posts and threads. What I want within Mudcat is fair, just, and equitable treatment of folks without regard to who they are,how long they have been on Mudcat, or other indices."

Amen to that.

Exactly what I'm talking about happened here in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 07:00 PM

Don,

Because something is a hot button issue, doesn't mean a thread originator is merely intent upon pushing other peoples' buttons by wishing to discuss it from their perspective.

There are actually people who have demonstrated an interest here in Mudcat in discussing this subject from a position other than a Christian believer/sympathizer perspective in a rational, reasonable fashion.

The shit flingers in this thread are not among them.

What is plain as day is, the Christian believers and sympathisers who are regularly shit stirrers and flingers in this forum, simply can't resist flinging the shit at those who wish to discuss the subject from that very perspective.

And don't tell me there is no right to free speech in Max's forum. That is just bogus.

Some people are free to speak here, others not.

The difference?

The opinions and beliefs of the editors.

How do they control how the thread goes?

See post #3 to this thread.

Because of the Mudcat editor expressing a derogatory opinion about the thread originator, the subject matter has been censored de facto, and the thread derailed.

THAT is the power the Mudcat editors hold here.

I, like many others now, will continue to point that out whenever I see it happen to me or anyone else here.

Why?

Because it is so unfair, unjust, and inequitable.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Hint hint
Date: 30 May 06 - 06:32 PM

From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 11:20 AM

Look again at the third post to this thread, to see who started the pissing contest.

But I'm done with this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 May 06 - 06:32 PM

I have to agree with Big Mick. The very nature of this thread, right from the first post, is to poke buttons. Anybody with half a brain knows that trying to demean someone else's religious beliefs is going to almost immediate result in escalating animosity. I contributed two or three serious posts to the discussion, endeavoring to keep it on some kind of civilized level (the more fool me!) and kept my cool despite sniping from the peanut gallery. When an opportunity arose to inject a bit of humor in what was turning out to be a slagging contest, I did, and a couple others joined in.

For those stiff-lipped persons who don't think that bit of by-play was at all amusing, puns take a certain verbal skill and adeptness with words, and I've noted that most people who consider the pun the lowest form of humor do so because they're lousy at it.

The whole subject of this and another very recent thread on essentially the same subject is to try to get up the noses of those who might have some belief invested in Christianity. There's a lot of trouble being stirred up in the world these days by people attacking each others' religions. There's an expression for that. It's called religious intolerance. And there's a word for the general category that includes religious intolerance:   bigotry.

Religious discussions between believers and non-believers, and those of varying beliefs can be quite interesting and productive of ideas, especially when participants in the discussion can come away with new ideas to consider.

But at the rate this thread is going, I don't see much of that happening here. But then, I get the impression that that was not necessarily the original intention.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 30 May 06 - 06:28 PM

Well, I gave what I thought was a mature response and you shat on it. I can't win this can I? Tell you what ... how about I let you have the last word? ;o)

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 06:22 PM

Oh, now that's a mature response in a 'I know you are, but what am I' sort of way.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 30 May 06 - 06:05 PM

Have you tried Mydol?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 05:58 PM

I'm not responsible for other people's delusions about the identity and motives of people who post here.

As you point out so deftly, shit does indeed sticks. It also stinks to high heaven, so you might want to have a peek at those who can't seem to keep their hands out of and off the shit to begin with, before blaming the recipient of the shit flinging games, BigPinkLad.

Yes, it is just a virtual reality. And as 'the regulars here' keep demonstrating so ably, their virutal reality sucks so bad, they have to stoop to playing in shit and attacking others to get any entertainment value out of it.

Bad behavior is bad behavior, whether by delusional clones bearing big grudges against Mudcat ghosts and imaginary bogeymen, or posters like you who, when called on your bad behavior, choose to flame the person who called you out for it, rather than admit to it and apologize as any decent person would do in normal conversation.

Now, who do you suppose that makes look worse to a disinterested, neutral party who might come stumbling in to the place, hmmmm?

It is clear a whole lot of you don't like me making you look so bad. But rather than point the finger at me, how about you examine your own behavior instead?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 30 May 06 - 05:39 PM

In posting your thoughts on 'Jesus as mythic god like Zeus' you set no parameters for what constitutes acceptable comment. Which is perfectly fine as it's not your place to do so. You asked no question, either, so what did you really expect? Most all the people who have taken time out of their lives to add a comment are regulars here and actually include humour to temper the occasionally harsh words from others. As our good friend, and your ally, Clinton H. often says, it's just a virtual reality and you ought not let it bend you out of shape. Moreover, you might want to be a little more careful about slagging people off because, as many have found out the hard way, shit sticks and you'll give people an unshakeable perception of yourself as something you may not be.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 May 06 - 05:37 PM

As I said in my first post. This thread had nothing at all to do with your subject. It was a troll, designed to elicit a response so you could write posts such as the one above. You are the classic troll. You got the response you wanted, so you could then sit in judgement on all the ignorant savages (tongue in cheek, in case you don't recognize it).

It doesn't matter if you use an anonymizer or change your name from Sori, to Peace Matriot or any of the dozens you use. You cannot hide. Your style is so evident as to make it very easy to see you.

I believe I said in the first post I made that the premise isn't a bad one for discussion. Why don't you get back to it? Oh, I forgot. You really could care less for the discussion.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 May 06 - 05:33 PM

So, Sori, you did read my post.... but you chose not to address the points I raised.

OK.... you only address posts addressed to you....? Did you by any chance make some assumption about my motives in making the post I did?

~Susan
WYSIWYG:What You See Is What You Get

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 05:30 PM

Yep, it sure is. Which is why most of the good folks keep leaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 May 06 - 05:25 PM

I wouldn't call their 'ripostes' clever in the least....

"you are all more than a bit two faced"
That's people for ya eh.....

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 05:20 PM

And needless to say, I disagree with your opinion.

However, I will accept the apology in the spirit it is given.

As to my 'ranting'. How about you go back and read my contributions and at least make a good faith attempt to compare what you refer to as rants (and I would say were attempts to stave off the begrudgers and belittlers attacking me personally, in an effort to save the thread), to my on-topic contributions here.

Then, compare and weigh that against the contributions by:

Big Mick
Dead Horse
Peace
Sinsull
Dave the Gnome
Jeri
Ron Davies

and the Mudcat 'humorists' who, as Clinton noted, found it necessary to interrupt the thread rudely with their clever ripostes

Big Pink Lad
Amos
Don Firth
Thomas the Rhymer

The vast majority of the above posters ONLY contributions to this thread concerned me--either my personal identity, or my personal motives.

A few of them did manage to contribute something to the thread, but then joined the lemmings attacking me personally.

Anyone discern a pattern here?

No?

Then you are part of the problem that derailed and hijacked this thread by making it personal, behaving rudely and obnoxiously, and by opening a thread you never had any interest in to begin with, just to engage in the very tired, very outworn Mudcat bloodsport of ripping on individuals and pissing on their contributions.

WYSIWYG, you never once addressed a post to me personally. You addressed your post to "Anyone..."

Haruo, you are looking like lemming in the end as well.

Now, if I haven't managed to put this thread out of it's misery, I'm sure the rest of you will see to it that this ends as it always does in this forum.

With the departure of the person being attacked, you all swarm like locusts to begin flaming the person, yet again, in hopes of bringing them back to keep playing your destructive little game.

So have it. I expect nothing less of you. You all claim how great one another is, how wonderful a human being each other is, what a wonderful world Mudcat is.

Then you turn around on a dime and behave viciously like this.

In other words, you are all more than a bit two faced.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Peace
Date: 30 May 06 - 04:47 PM

I didn't attack Sori at all. If I said something offensive I am sorry. IMO, this thread with the ranting from the thread starter has become a waste of time. However, I hope the rest of you can keep on despite the crud.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 04:44 PM

I'll say it again, one more time.

Don't like the subject? Don't open the thread.

Don't like the poster? Skip over their posts, and make no comment to or about them.

No matter how worn out or controversial a thread or a personality, good manners and netiquette is very clear about what your response should be:

Nothing. EVER.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Haruo
Date: 30 May 06 - 04:38 PM

"Keriste" was what Peace wrote, twice I think (the first time actually "Keriste on a crutch", which appears to be the one taken offensively. Sori turned up the volume to "KEEEERIST!"

Haruo

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 May 06 - 04:34 PM

"large numbers of people, including myself, get bored spitless with it"
So the, don't post to it.... Easy peasy right?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 May 06 - 04:32 PM

Sori, I can't speak for everyone here, but I responded (not rudely) and you didn't address either point I raised. Are you only responding to people who are rude? Isn't that kind of a diminishing-returns, self-fulfilling-prophecy sort of thing?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 May 06 - 04:15 PM

Well, sorry, Sori, if you got a bit tweaked at a touch of levity further upstream, but let's face it, the subject of this thread has been cussed and discussed so many times here on Mudcat—and other places—that large numbers of people, including myself, get bored spitless with it. Been there, done that, again and again and again and yet again. Right now there is another thread (at least one) extant on essentially the same subject. There have been dozens in the past and there will be an infinite number in the future, no doubt.

And these discussions never go anywhere because they're about faith and belief. Early on in the discussion, more than likely in the first post, you start trampling on someone's cherished beliefs and since they can't really defend them—any more than you can support your position—it ceases to be a discussion and turns into a pissing contest. You're not going to change anyone's mind. Okay, if you like the exercise of arguing about the subject, then go right ahead. But don't think it's ever actually going to accomplish anything.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 May 06 - 12:30 PM

I've gotta admit that the Old Testament god resembles the crowd on Mount Olympus.