BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 30 May 06 - 12:07 PM

If you beleive in an omnipotent god, you are acknowledging exactly that, Ebbie.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 May 06 - 11:36 AM

On occasion the thought has crossed my mind: What if our GOD is in reality the gods of mythology and legend? We have all read of their exploits, their vindictive irrationality, their petty intrigues. Ya think?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Peace
Date: 30 May 06 - 11:31 AM

There is an interesting thing I just came across:

"Before the abolition of monarchies, Zeus was protector of the king and his family."

from
here.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 11:20 AM

Look again at the third post to this thread, to see who started the pissing contest.

But I'm done with this thread. It is pointless to try and carry on a conversation with people who post only to slap other people down, and demonize them by calling them 'monsters' and 'evil', just for speaking their mind when their thread gets rudely interrrupted by people with no interest whatsoever in the subject matter being discussed.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 06 - 11:13 AM

It sure seems that Sori is the one making this into a pissing contest. Just another loud mouth ranter on Mudcat. Evil too.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Peace
Date: 30 May 06 - 11:00 AM

Oh. Thank you so much.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:41 AM

And really, your rude attempts to DEMAND I answer to you, really takes the cake. And only serves to prove that you have no manners and decency whatsoever. Your demands that I respond tit for tat to you had nothing to do with the subject matter of this thread, and therefore required no response.

We don't all stoop to your level of tit for tat, pissing on threads behavior.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:37 AM

And if you could read, you would see I answered it long ago. It was your "KEEEERIST!" comment I found rude, inappropriate, and uncalled for.

I, like many other people here, are fed up with rude and obnoxious posters like you and the others I mentioned, who ruin every single thread they stumble into, by wrecking it with their boorish behavior. Attacks on other posters for no reason, except sport. Mocking and open hostility towards the opinions of others. Childish name calling. Hijacking threads RUDELY by starting up with the infantile "humor" posts which only scream "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!"

Grow up will you, and stop trying to make everything into a pissing contest.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Peace
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:26 AM

"So far it's been Little Hawk, Big Mick, and you."

Would you be kind enough to explain how you think I have attacked you?"


In between your rants at various people, perhaps you would answer the above. It's the third request.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:23 AM

You know, the people posting to this thread are incredibly rude.

First, posts complaining about me being a monster. Where on earth is that coming from, please?

Then, posts complaining about my motives for posting. Posts claiming I was "baiting Christians". Come on! Are you people so stupid you can't participate in an intelligent conversation?

Finally, posts from a bunch of idle men, apparently, who think butting into someone else's conversation to entertain us all with their dazzling wit, is what--something to be admired?

Well, it isn't. It is rude.

Just because this is a web forum doesn't mean manners don't apply to YOU.

Grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 May 06 - 04:01 AM

Forgot to add - Who says Zeus is mythic anyway?

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 May 06 - 04:00 AM

Nice one, Jeri:-) Who's sori now, ideed!

I don't know if you read what I said, Sori. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and saying you you did NOT look like the other poster. Your attempt to turn that into a personal insult to you makes me think I was wrong in doing so.

I was not going to post it on this thread as I have said it enough on the other. NO ONE KNOWS. There is no valid evidene for or against the existence of Jesus. It is all supposition. Make your own mind up based on the vague 'proof' provided but don't try and pass it off as the truth either way.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 May 06 - 10:48 PM

I love your attitude toward drunken sports fans, Clinton, if I may say so... ;-) Couldn't agree more.

And now we return to our scheduled program.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 06 - 08:46 PM

Well, as Humpy Gocart said in that movie, "We'll always have Paris." Didn't anybody tell him?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Amos
Date: 29 May 06 - 08:33 PM

Personally, I'd be a little chicken to push the issue very hard; consider what happened to Paris!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 06 - 08:05 PM

Thanks for crapping up yet another thread with your ATTEMPTS at 'humour'

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: bobad
Date: 29 May 06 - 07:56 PM

The truth lies within The Evil Bible.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 06 - 07:53 PM

Well, I probably should have ducked the whole thing, but. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 29 May 06 - 07:22 PM

Ohhh.... Ewe guies quack me yup...

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 06 - 06:50 PM

Maybe, if she were at the beak of her attractiveness. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 29 May 06 - 06:41 PM

Would she bill them for it?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 06 - 06:38 PM

It just occurred to me:   the way the cartoonist depicted Helen in the comic book, if she couldn't bestow kisses, she could at least give someone a peck.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 06 - 06:33 PM

Thanks, Amos. I stand corrected.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Amos
Date: 29 May 06 - 06:30 PM

Don:

It was not Goethe's Faustus, but Christopher Marlowe's, who cried out to Helen about her ship-launching and tower-burning powers, and asked for a kiss.

Viz, in Scne 13:

"Faustus:

Was this the face that launched a thousand ships?
And burnt the topless towers of Ilium?
Sweet Helen, make me immortal with a kiss.
Her lips suck forth my soul; see where it flies.
Come, Helen, come give me my soul again.
Here will I dwell, for heaven be in these lips,
And all is dross that is not Helena"

A

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 06 - 06:21 PM

Samuel L. Jackson played "Zeus Carver" in Die Hard 3 "With a Vengeance"

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Peace
Date: 29 May 06 - 06:10 PM

Zeus was also a character in one of the Die Hard movies.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 06 - 06:07 PM

Just to set the record straight, Zeus turned himself into a swan and impregnated Leda (who happened to have been married to Polydeuces at the time, so presummably she was not a virgin). The offspring of this odd coupling was Helen of Troy. This is the face that, according to Goethe, "launched a thousand ships and burned the topless towers of Ilium (Troy)". It seems that Helen was married to Menelaus when she ran off with Paris, son of Priam and prince of Troy. Menelaus gathered his friends (including such stalwarts as Agamemnon, Achilles, and the rest of the local Elks Club), got a fleet together (1,000 ships), and sailed to Troy to whup Paris's ass and get Helen back. The ten year battle with all its ins and outs is what we now know as the Trojan War. Wikipedia's "Cliff's Notes").

I don't think Judaic mythology picked up on any of this, because any Judaic myth of any importance at all is found in the Old Testament.

I recall a comic book that a friend of mine loaned me that was all about the Trojan War. Whoever the cartoonist was depicted the lovely Helen (taking into consideration her odd lineage) as looking a bit like Daisy Duck.

Now, back to our regular broadcast.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 06 - 06:00 PM

I've never understood people cheering for coloured shirts with meaningless numbers on them as if they had something to do with the 'accomplishments' of those coloured shirts....


Every time I hear some dork with his face painted, honking his horn all the way down my street shouting "We Won!! We Won!!", my question has always been "Who's we, FKER?.... cause I looked and I didn't see your loud drunken ass out on that ice/field/arena/whatever......"

But that's a whole different thread I guess.....

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 May 06 - 05:53 PM

You mean like what happens to hockey fans when the home team scores a goal, Clinton? I agree. It's shocking. It indicates a severe mental imbalance.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 06 - 05:42 PM

"what can only be experienced for oneself internally and personally?"

An experience that studies seem to show is almost exactly like a grand mal seizure or other maladies of brain chemistry....


http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books-ca&field-author=Ramachandran%2C%20V.%20S./701-6574794-1488344

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: wysiwyg
Date: 29 May 06 - 05:30 PM

Hm.

Anyone care to address:

1. What did Zeus-followers think about Zeus 2,000 years past his popping up into culture?

2. How come folks just can't resist wondering about and discussing what can only be experienced for oneself internally and personally?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 06 - 04:33 PM

"Wiccanism"

Can we keep money grubbing fads out of the discussion please....

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Jeri
Date: 29 May 06 - 04:30 PM

If you only accidentally ignored Judaism, Islam, Hinduim, Wiccanism, Buddhism, various indigenous and imported pagan religions to compare Christianity, and Christianity alone to long-dead, ancient religions and didn't actually mean to bait Christians, you have my heartfelt apology. If you were trolling, then you don't.

The pun was perfectly horrible, if I do say so myself. I'm honored that you took such a notice of my stated belief that you were trolling, but I wouldn't want the thread to be about distasteful personal issues. I don't believe your identity or motives are that important compared to this fascinating subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 May 06 - 03:09 PM

No problem for me, Sori. So...what is your definition of the word "God"? And if you say, "I don't have one, because there is no God", then give me your definition(s) of the concepts of "God" that you find impossible to believe in. In other words, the ones that in your opinion "don't exist". ;-)

That might help us find out what we're actually talking about here, and that's always useful.

To put it another way...what's out there? Is it just rocks and space and mindless energy and stuff like that? Is there some kind of consciousness involved in all that stuff...or is consciousness limited only to biological organisms like human beings and animals and insects? Is there any purpose behind the Universe or is it all just an accident? Do atoms possess consciousness? Is the physical world all there is or is it a reflection of higher non-physical worlds? Are there multiple dimensions of existence? What happens when we die? Does consciousness go on after death? If so, in what faishion?

All these things are worth thinking about, and thinking about them can lead to both scientific and spiritual inquiry, can it not? Does any of that have anything to do with what some people have called "God"?

And remember, there are at least 150 million ideas of what God is. I'd like to know what yours is, if you have one.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Peace
Date: 29 May 06 - 03:07 PM

Sori,

'"So far it's been Little Hawk, Big Mick, and you."

Would you be kind enough to explain how you think I have attacked you?'

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 06 - 03:02 PM

"people showed up and tried to derail the thread by casting aspersions on my identity and motives"

The standard ploy of the stymied....

That's Mudcat for ya Sori......

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 29 May 06 - 02:43 PM

I didn't participate on the other thread. I found it to be a turn-off, so started a different thread, starting from a very different point of view.

And why are people being so hostile? I haven't attacked anyone. I am discussing a subject that, while controversial, isn't exactly the stuff of flame wars and troll baiting. It is a subject that interests me. That is why I started the thread.

This was a civil conversation, until some people showed up and tried to derail the thread by casting aspersions on my identity and motives.

Just what the hell is up with that behavior anyway?

If Jeri and Sinsull and Big Mick and Dave the Gnome are so suspicious of my motives, then they don't have to read the thread, do they?

Sori, BTW, is a Korean word for sound, sometimes used to describe the "sound" of traditional songs. Is there a problem using such a handle?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 May 06 - 02:41 PM

Sure was a long build-up to Jeri's punch line. What an impressive conspiracy--all those postings by so many people. Selfless sacrificing of time and energy--in the service of wit.

But I love it -- "Who's Sori now?"

Classic.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Haruo
Date: 29 May 06 - 02:18 PM

Donuel wrote, "Remember when Zeus turned himself into a Swan and impregnated a virgin woman? Yep it was borrowed by Judaism..."

Say what? When and where and in what form was this myth borrowed by Judaism? Christianity, I see your point although I disagree that there's a lineal descent, but Judaism? Show me...

Haruo (not from Missouri, but still)

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Jeri
Date: 29 May 06 - 01:34 PM

Seems like this is an intentional troll to me.

And Dave the Gnome, I don't know who Sori is, although I can speculate. It's pointless, really, for everyone to be obsessing all over Mudcat, wondering "Who's Sori now?"

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 06 - 01:32 PM

Whatever LH....

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 May 06 - 01:25 PM

If any stories remain about you and are passed down to posterity, Clinton, I could forgive people for refusing to believe that you ever existed too...

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 06 - 01:23 PM

Yes... because independant of the MYTH we have outside sources that talk about people that may have helped inspire the creation of King Arthur....

Not so in the Jesus case....

"it is irrelevant to the metaphysical issues"
It is

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Bill D
Date: 29 May 06 - 01:15 PM

actually, there IS..."some" means simply that, Clinton. A lot of it is vague, but there are enough sources to indicate the possibility. Like I said, it is irrelevant to the metaphysical issues.

All the stories are a counter example to your SILENCE. I doubt very much that any solid evidence will ever be produced, but we know a lot of historical figures only by some odds & ends of writing by others.....even King Arthur may have had some real origins.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 06 - 12:45 PM

"There IS some evidence that some real person is the source of those stories"

Actually, there's not.... and there's a whopping great SILENCE where there SHOULD be evidence IF such a person had existed....

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 May 06 - 10:21 AM

That's what I thought as well, Sinsull. I am not sure it is the obvious suspect though. Perhaps Joe or one of the clones can look at the IP addresses to see if it is?

If it is I guess the answer to your question is that they were doing spectaculary poory on the other one? But that's only my 2 penn'urth. Sori's arguments on this one do seem a lot more reasoned so even it is the character I have in mind they seem to be faring better here.

I am on a course for the next few days so I may only be popping in and out occasionaly but I will keep my eye on it.

Joe/Clones if this is a question of multiple identities can you do anything about it? Ta.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 06 - 09:21 AM

WHY IS IT? When a post of this type is started, it is by someone
who is perhaps a disbliever? Fear not and be secure in your own belief.
What are you looking for, support or reason for change?


(I read very little of this thread so maybe the tide changed - however, my comment stands)

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 May 06 - 09:08 AM

I understand the purpose of your new thread, Sori. I don't understand your need to create a new identity in order to start it. Who are you in the Julius Caesar thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Donuel
Date: 29 May 06 - 08:56 AM

Remember when Zeus turned himself into a Swan and impregnated a virgin woman? Yep it was borrowed by Judaism and passed down to Christianity. Now there are people who claim this myth as actually referring to UFO aliens conducting breeding experiments on man.

Remember when Ossirus was killed and then resurrected piece by piece?
Yep resurection has been borrowed by later faiths as well.

Most successful religions incorporate a prior myth into their new belief system.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: dianavan
Date: 28 May 06 - 08:09 PM

Haruo - If there ever was a Messiah (or Christ) that walked this earth, Cyrus would be my choice. It was Cyrus that freed the Jews from Babylon but the Jews didn't recognize him as the Messiah either. Sheesh, whats it gonna take? I mean what more could you ask for? He was possible the wisest and most benevolent of any leader at any time.

Which makes me wonder how much of the Jesus myth has been taken from Zoroastrianism.