BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer

Subject: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 May 06 - 09:17 AM

Today the European Court declared that the suppling of passenger details, including credit card details, meal choice, and any one of 34 other pieces of info that the US immigration requires, is an invasion of our rights. They also say that they are not happy with the security of the details supplied.
These details are at present required to be supplied within 15 minutes of an aircraft taking off bound for the US. Airlines who refuse to supply this info, face fines of something like �2000 per passenger, and withdrawal of landing rights for their aircraft. Not a lot of choice there is there?
It is required that these conditions be removed by September this year, and I wonder what will happen next. I can't see all flights to the US ceasing, and I'm sure that retaliation would be swift if the US did this. No US flights to the EEC for instance.
So do we fly to Canada and go by ground transportation into the US, or do we fly to Mexico and walk over like so many others are doing?
Giok
Details here

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: DMcG
Date: 30 May 06 - 09:47 AM

As I read it, credit card details etc are currently being supplied but meal details are not. See here.

It's a fascinating distinction, and I can see much debate and legal argument about why one type of data is appropriate to collect but not the other.

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 May 06 - 09:56 AM

Now, I can see the desire to have identifying information to run across a database of known terrorists, criminals and other miscreants (although there seems to be an embarassing number of misidentifications), but the US government doesn't take well enough care of the information it has in its possession to get credit card details. And it needs them why?

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 May 06 - 09:58 AM

So don't go to the US.....

easy as that....

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:01 AM

Because the U.S. of A. is the international 500 pound gorilla and can get away with it.

What other reason do they need?

You expect a rational explanation? From the BuShites? Please.

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: DMcG
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:05 AM

So don't go to the US.....

easy as that....

Clinton - whether we go to the US or not is an individual decision. Whether the European Court prohibits data being passed to the US which could affect whether flights happen at all (or the cost of those flights if they do) is at the supra-national level and the decisions of individual passengers do not come into it. But you knew that.

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:09 AM

Come to Canada... We're bigger, and we're on top....

If this was prison, the US would be our punk......

Our air and water smell/taste better, and we've got better looking women too....

Not to mention the beer!

AND the BACON!

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: DMcG
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:12 AM

Well, I'd certainly always vote for Canadian bacon over American! (why do they do that to it?)

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:15 AM

They take their crappy-beer frustrations out on their bacon.....

Near as I can figure.....

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: pdq
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:28 AM

What Canada needs is a hefty hunk of 'global warming". Once the all melts, all that will be left is an area the size of Tasmania covered by million of people singing Leonard Cohen songs and reading from the Communist Manifesto.

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: DMcG
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:35 AM

... with better bacon.

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 May 06 - 10:46 AM

Watching re-runs of the first series of Star Trek?
G ☻

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: ard mhacha
Date: 30 May 06 - 02:16 PM

I have declined to go the US despite my relatives invites, how can any one stand those goons that officate at emigration, it`s been a long time and it will be a hell of a lot longer while that bollocks is President.
Go to Canada, you would be taking a wise choice.

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 May 06 - 02:25 PM

It does make you wonder why they bother when the country is allegedly full of illegal immigrants. If they can't keep them out, what chance other people?
G..

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 May 06 - 04:53 PM

US immigration are insolent dolts. One of their staff once had occasion to query a detail on an in-flight card I had completed - on my way to an international law conference.

"Well, Richard..." he started.

Somehow I felt that "That's "Mr Bridge" to you" was not the required response.

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 May 06 - 08:33 PM

"the U.S. of A. is the international 500 pound gorilla and can get away with it."

Now when the 10,000 pound gorilla called China gets here...

"Everybody gonna jump for Joy!!!"

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: GUEST,mack/misophist
Date: 31 May 06 - 12:22 AM

Since no one else has said it yet, Good for the EU! And Clinton isn't really wrong. If you're comming to the US on holiday, go somewhere else. The fewer euros spent over here, the more pressure there is on 'that man'. I won't call him the shrub any more, even poisonous plants can be lovely.

Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer
From: artbrooks
Date: 31 May 06 - 08:26 AM

Visit Canada instead...I have heard that it often doesn't snow in July or August (rain in coastal BC).