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Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull

GUEST,jOhn 17 Jun 06 - 04:53 AM
Manitas_at_home 17 Jun 06 - 05:11 AM
GUEST,jOhn 17 Jun 06 - 05:22 AM
GUEST 17 Jun 06 - 06:48 AM
Folkiedave 17 Jun 06 - 06:50 AM
greg stephens 17 Jun 06 - 07:36 AM
GUEST 17 Jun 06 - 09:16 AM
Dave the Gnome 17 Jun 06 - 11:00 AM
GUEST,Jack Campin 17 Jun 06 - 05:29 PM
Ron Davies 17 Jun 06 - 05:41 PM
greg stephens 17 Jun 06 - 06:32 PM
JamesBerriman 17 Jun 06 - 07:19 PM
Bonecruncher 17 Jun 06 - 09:35 PM
breezy 18 Jun 06 - 04:19 AM
JamesBerriman 18 Jun 06 - 03:08 PM
manitas_at_work 19 Jun 06 - 06:58 AM
GUEST,jOhn 15 Aug 06 - 06:49 AM
Jack Campin 18 Oct 14 - 03:58 PM
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Subject: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 04:53 AM

Hello
Today there is free concert by asy;lum seekers in Queens Gardens in Hull. [thats the big park thing, in middle of town].
this is run by hull council, and is every year, i went last year and it was really nice.

and tommorow there is Dhoad Gypsies at Beverley, i never heard them before, but local papers reckon it will be good.

if you like to know more about it. just look at hull city council website.


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 05:11 AM

Newham also has a similar concert in the park at this time of year run by a refugee organisation. I came across it by accident a couple of years ago and heard some really good music


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 05:22 AM

Oh.


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 06:48 AM

How's the taxi business jOhn?


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: Folkiedave
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 06:50 AM

You might ask your local council if these areas are regulated for entertainment under the Licensing Act 2003.


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: greg stephens
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 07:36 AM

Hull has some sense. I have been working for five or six years now on multi-cultural music projects in Stoke-on-Trent, particularly involving asylum seekers. Trying to get people (council or anyone else) to put events on involving these musicians is like banging ypur head against a brick wall, but without the pleasure.


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 09:16 AM

Hasn't been very well publicised this concert in Hull today though, has it?


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 11:00 AM

There is a recent immigrants 'showcase' concert on Sunday 25th at Peel Hall in Salford. It was a good do last year but I refuse to get involved with Bosnian guitarists and Scottish fiddle players in the local pub after. I was off work for 2 days! Dunno where the Scots lad was seeking asylum from either;-)

Nice to see councils all over the country getting into this type of stuff - I think it is very important. But the 'disorganised' session after in the pub was far better in my opinion. Probably did more to cement relationships and friendships as well:-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 05:29 PM

Hull seems to have learned a bit. Here's their response to foreigners in 1829 (from a broadside now in the National Library of Scotland):

A FULL ACCOUNT OF TWELVE YOUNG WOMEN, Who were smothered on TUESDAY,
in the infirmary at Hull, being effected with and incurable disease.

A German ship arrived in this port on the 23rd of june, 1829 having 30
hands on board, and when the vessel got into harbour, immediately a
number of unfortunate females went on board, to barter both their souls
and bodies for a trifling sum of money.

It is the nature of sin to carry with it its own punishment, and the
awful denunciation of God's displeasure commences in this, and terminates
in the terrors of an other world: for the foreigners infested a disease
of such an infectious and dreadful nature, that it baffled the skill of
the most eminent and experienced of the faculty, and proved too stubborn
for any antidote to cure.

After every means had been used without producing the desired effect, the
symptoms of this dreadful malady became more and more alarming: the flesh
turned yellow, then spongy as a honey comb, and afterwards black and began
to drop from their bones.

So offensive was the stench that arose from their bodies that no person,
however desirous, could approach their beds or give them any relief.

On Saturday, a consultation of the medical gentlemen, connected with the
infirmary was held, when after a long conference, they came to the awful
decision, that these wretched women should be smothered with nitre and
sulphre, the easiest and most effectual method of putting a stop to the
raging infection.

THE NAMES OF THESE UNFORTUNATE WOMEN ARE Jane Williams, aged 19, and Mary
Williams 16, of Newcastle; Eliza Watson, 15, of Leeds; Mary Evans, 20, of
North Shields; Maria Sager, 29, and Sarah Rich, 17, of Halifax; Catherine
Howell, 17, of Salford; Ann Lloyd, 19, and Eliza Bennet, 18, of Sheffield;
Mary Parry, 18, of Wrexham; Sarah Jones, 19, and Ellen Davis, 18, of Chester.

Verses on their melancholy End.

Lament, lament, the woeful fate
        Of twelve young females dear,
Who suffer'd a sad death of late,
        Most painful for to hear.
Now let all those young women know,
        Who stray from Virtue's ways,
That vice did prove their overthrow,
        And shortened their days.

A foreign ship in port arriv'd,
        Of thirty hands or so,
And twelve gay damsels young and blythe,
        Straight on board did go.
And their a loathsome vile disease,
        Infectious and foul,
Did on these twelve young women size,
        And rag'd beyond control.

Their flesh did rot upon their bones,
        Spungy, like honey comb,
Their dismal cries, and sighs, and moans,
        Would pierce a heart of stone.
The doctors to their pain and grief,
        Beheld their sufferings great,
But could afford them no relief,
        The plague for to abate.

All human means being tried in vain,
        But could not mend the case,
To put the sufferers out of pain,
        An awful scene took place.
The dread infection to destroy,
        Which through the town might spread,
Their precious lives were sacrific'd.
        They smother'd were in bed.

Printed by Kay and Simpson, for J. Robson.

What next? Hartlepool holds a Be Nice to Monkeys Day?

(I haven't found any corroboration of this event, though the symptoms correspond to a haemorrhagic virus like Ebola so well that the disease itself might not have been made up).


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 05:41 PM

How did it work with broadsides? Is it possible they would have made up those names of the deceased girls (it's really striking that they were 15, 16 etc.)? Wouldn't it have been based on a real event?


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: greg stephens
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 06:32 PM

My mum always taught me that diseases were caused by germans, that's why you have to wash all the time.


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: JamesBerriman
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 07:19 PM

Being born in Hull and having lived most of my adult life in Stoke-on-Trent, I feel strangely drawn to this thread.

Hull does have a few things to be proud of. William Wilberforce for one, who displayed quite an enlightened attitude to foreigners.

So far, I'm successfully fighting off the temptation to try out Jack's broadside at Beverley tomorrow...

James


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: Bonecruncher
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 09:35 PM

Possibly Guest Jack Campin's broadside sheet and ballad should be published on one of the genealogy websites.
It may help researchers to find lost ancestors.
Colyn.


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: breezy
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 04:19 AM

is that how the word 'germ' entered into our vocabulary ?


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: JamesBerriman
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 03:08 PM

But is that entirely Germane to the subject under discussion?


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 06:58 AM

Getting back to the subject, the fete I referred to above is taking place on 24th June in Central Park, East Ham,London, E6 if anyone is in the area.


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 06:49 AM

they doing another one, its on sunday, in pearson park, starts at 12 dinnertime.


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Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 03:58 PM

Seems like an appropriate time to re-activate this thread.

I've got some cholera songs stashed away somewhere too.


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