BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!

Subject: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 10:21 PM

I know that this is not what most of you would want to hear, but it is news. Even they (liberal administration) agreed with it.



The first of many to come...



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 10:28 PM

This can't be right. I thought taxes were cut?


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 10:32 PM

Sales must be down at the Washington Times...

But I loved the Times back in the Clinton days... No matter what was happening in the world of the country their headlines contained negative stuff about Clinton... It was almost like satire...

Fir a while I thought the paper was a spoof... I mean, how could one paper write 6 negative articles about Clinton all on the Page 1... Yeah, I thought someone was just playin' a joke...

But then one day I opened up the Times to the sports page and there in black and white was real sports news so then I had to go, "Well, may these folks mean this crap???"

Well, I'm glad that the Son Moon owened Washington Times is having to drag poor ol' Slick Willioe back to get their readership back...

Truth be known, the sports page wasn't half bad... 'er half good, fir that matter...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 10:50 PM

But Hubby....environmentalists are supposed to be saving the world!


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 11:07 PM

The Rev. Sun Moon for King in '08!!!

Read the Times!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 11:07 PM

Hey waitta minute....I thought we were in a weak economy!


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 11:13 PM

He's gotta be lying.....this isn't what I'm hearing on AirAmerica....



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 11:14 PM

Hubby:

A great and articulate read, that.   Thanks. Enjoyable.

But it has some flaws in logic of its own. One, for example, is the diffgerence between dipolar EM fields (such as those soldf as healing magnets) and the kind produced by AC or continuous waves. Very different mechanisms altogether.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 11:15 PM

"Clinton Kills Baby, Hides in Dumpster"

Rev. Sun Moon for God in '08...

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 11:46 PM

"Clinton Father's Alien Baby, Claims he hardly knew the Marsian woman"

Rev. Sun Moon for Benevolent Dictator in '08...

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 12:36 AM

Higher-than-expected tax revenues in the United States are expected to make a dent in the federal deficit, according to early reports.

A dent? Gee, that'll help a LOT.

Higher-than-expected when and by whom?

This from Crichton is precious...

What I discovered stunned me. Chernobyl was a tragic event, but nothing remotely close to the global catastrophe I imagined. About 50 people had died in Chernobyl, roughly the number of Americans that die every day in traffic accidents. I don�t mean to be gruesome, but it was a setback for me. You can�t write a novel about a global disaster in which only 50 people die.

As Crichton himself admits, the World Health Organization, which gives the lowest estimates of increases in cancer among exposed people is predicting about 4,000 additional deaths due to cancer as a result of the disaster. That's about a thousand more than were killed in the attacks on 9/11, and we all know how much of a fuss the United States has made because of those deaths, and how many thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths the US was willing to cause in the name of "keeping the homeland secure". Funny how Crichton and some others value some lives so much more than other lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 06:17 AM

The American National Debt is over 8 TRILLION dollars. FYI.

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Alba
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 06:49 AM

"Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!"

Oh alright then, if it will make you happy Hubster:)

It ain't so!!

Happy Chews Day
J

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 07:10 AM

For overall humor, I think these papers are all right up there with "The Onion"!!! The style is so sincere and all it makes you think they're real. Funny stuff!!!!

Thanks for the laughs Hubby!!! Keep 'em coming!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: kendall
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 07:43 AM

Sounds like the Boston Globe. Recently, in spite of all the crap that was happening around the world, the Globe front page splashed it all over... the story about Patrick Kennedy and his OUI.

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:05 AM

I don't trust the "Washington Times" quite as far as I trust the "Washington Post." The "Washington Star" was a differeent matter entirely, but it's been gone for years.

Come to think of it, I completely trust any media at all anymore. When I was the News Editor of my college paper I did, but not now. What I do now is to figure that everybody is reporting only what they see or think and I kinda take an average.

And my average says...

...vote 'em ALL out and start over.

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:25 AM

Right on, Rapaire.

(and you meant 'don't' trust?)

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:25 AM

Let's keep 'em safe.




Betcha a liberal dem or at least a "moderate" Repub wrote this one.

Here's the lead and first paragraphs from the story.


State and local police would be prohibited in key ways from helping Immigration and Customs Enforcement combat illegal immigration under Senate legislation, a wall that opponents say would lead to rampant fraud, hamper efforts to deport future illegals and threaten national security.
    "The Senate bill would actually make us less safe," said Rep. Ed Royce, California Republican and chairman of the International Relations Committee's subcommittee on international terrorism and nonproliferation. It "would roll back the ability for state and local officials to cooperate with federal officials."


Someone prove me wrong. Please. I'll admit it. Prove to me a democrat didn't present this bill. It's funny how the times omitted that little fact.

Conservative media my butt.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:33 AM

But the war is wrong....don't people realize that?


Military Recruiting Successful
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: July 11, 2006
The Army surpassed its recruiting goal for June, the Pentagon said, the 13th consecutive month the service has met or exceeded its target. The Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps also met or exceeded their goals, Defense Department statistics showed. The active-duty Army, which offered a wider array of financial incentives for potential recruits and put more recruiters on the street, found 8,756 recruits in June, compared with its target of 8,600, the Pentagon said.


To read the rest you'll need to register with the NYT.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:34 AM

Chicken Litter!! Chicken Litter!! The sky is farring!!

Hell, Hub, let's give the local police the authority to arrest anyone purely on suspicion, and hold them up to 30 years whil;e investigating. That'll put an end to all this left-wing pussy-footing around about 'respecting individuals'. Respecting individuals, when there's a terrorist under every bed, is just horse pucky.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:40 AM

What....democrats actually making sense?



DENVER (AP) — State lawmakers approved a measure late Monday that would force a million people receiving state or federal aid to verify their citizenship, part of a package of bills dealing with illegal immigration that Democrats called the toughest in the nation.
The measure would deny most non-emergency state benefits to illegal immigrants 18 years old and older — forcing people to prove legal residency when applying for benefits or renewing their eligibility. The measure passed the state Senate 22-13 and the House 48-15. Both are controlled by Democrats.


Go Colorado!


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:44 AM

"Clinton Ordered Bush to Attack Iraq"

Rev. Sun Moon for President of IMF in '08...

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:48 AM

If I close my eyes....then they won't see me.



Wrong.



Congressional Republicans are at odds with Democrats -- and the Bush administration -- over the significance of 500 munitions found in Iraq since 2003 and recently disclosed by the Pentagon.
    The rocket and artillery shells hold deadly sarin and mustard gas, a small part of the vast weapons of mass destruction (WMD) arsenal that Saddam Hussein built in the 1980s.
    Republican lawmakers say the 500-plus shells, with more likely to be found in the coming months, are evidence that Saddam was still concealing WMDs in 2003 in violation of United Nations resolutions to disarm after Iraq's failed invasion of Kuwait.
    The resolution "didn't say pre-'91 chemical weapons," said Rep. Curt Weldon, Pennsylvania Republican. "It didn't say post-'91 chemical weapons. It said chemical weapons. Saddam Hussein violated this resolution and others like it. ... In part because of such violations, we voted to authorize the use of military force in Iraq."



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:50 AM

Bobert,


Go back to cultivating your wild wood flowers and changing the oil in your gas guzzling SUV.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:56 AM

But I thought that our movement was catching on worldwide?

That's the problem. You're thinking again.


The apparent victory of Felipe Calderon, the candidate of incumbent President Vicente Fox's PAN party in Mexico, is the latest in a series of defeats for the hard left in Latin American elections. It also means there will continue to be a trio of center-right North American governments.

Leftist Evo Morales, with help from Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, did win in Bolivia, but Chavez's candidate lost in Peru, center-right incumbent Alvaro Uribe won re-election by a huge margin in Colombia and Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, former Mexico City mayor and candidate of the leftist PRD party, lost after leading in the polls for most of the past two years.


Mexican presidential candidate Felipe Calderon, of the National Action Party (PAN), celebrates with supporters at his party's headquarters in Mexico City, Mexico, Thursday, July 6, 2006. The ruling party's Felipe Calderon won the official count in Mexico's disputed presidential race Thursday, a come-from-behind victory. (AP Photo/Eduardo Verdugo) The cry has been going up that the "Washington consensus" favoring free trade and free markets is dead in the region. But that consensus is not threatened by responsible center-left presidents like Lula da Silva of Brazil and Michelle Bachelet of Chile. And the defeat of Lopez Obrador, who called for renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, shows it's still alive in Mexico.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 10:01 AM

But I thought that if we were nice to them then they would be nice to us?




Guess that approach doesn't work either.



Russia offered to help N. Korea
By Michael Hirst
LONDON SUNDAY TELEGRAPH
July 9, 2006


LONDON -- Russia secretly offered to sell North Korea technology that could help the rogue state protect nuclear stockpiles and safeguard weapons secrets from international scrutiny, but officials backed off after the arms flirtation was publicized.
    Russian officials touted the equipment to the communist regime at an information technology exhibition in Pyongyang late last month -- just days before North Korea sparked international alarm by launching a salvo of short- and long-range missiles into the sea between the Korean Peninsula and Japan.



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 10:09 AM

I guess it's time to start scaring the elderly again. "They're dismantling!"


Get a new argument.


Social Security battle reignites
By Amy Fagan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
July 9, 2006


The seemingly dead issue of Social Security reform came to life again in recent weeks, with President Bush saying it should be high on the agenda and Democrats warning that Republicans are resurrecting their plan to privatize the system.
    Mr. Bush, in a June 27 speech extolling the line-item veto, vowed to keep fighting to fix the impending financial crises in both Social Security and Medicare.
    "If we can't get it done this year, I'm going to try next year. And if we can't get it done next year, I'm going to try the year after that because it is the right thing to do," Mr. Bush said in a speech in Washington hosted by the Manhattan Institute think tank. "Now is the time to solve the problems of Medicare and Social Security and I want your help."



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 10:19 AM

Awww....looks as if Big Mick's dream of a Unionized America isn't working out.


Didn't figure it would.


Wal-Mart Tax Fizzle
The AFL-CIO's favorite new tax is a flop just about everywhere.

Sunday, July 9, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

For anyone keeping score, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney has been striking out in a surprising number of state capitals. Mr. Sweeney launched a campaign in 33 states several months ago to force Wal-Mart and other retailers either to spend more on health care or pay more in taxes. His legislation was intended as a first step in mandating employer-provided health care, and his campaign began as Maryland enacted the first "Wal-Mart tax."

Well, the early results are in, and the Sweeney tax has been a political flop. Not a single state has followed Maryland's lead, even liberal Rhode Island. In 26 states from Maine to New Mexico, so-called "fair share" legislation has either stalled or, in the case of Kansas, Louisiana and Missouri, been withdrawn. With many state legislatures wrapping up their work or already adjourned for the year, it's clear the anti-Wal-Mart groundswell isn't coming.

New York was one of the last holdouts, and Long Island's Suffolk County has enacted its own version of the law. But for a state in which unions enjoy broad political influence, the bill found few friends in Albany and failed. Even Attorney General Eliot Spitzer opposed it, telling the New York Post that the Wal-Mart bill is not the "comprehensive reform" of health care the state needs. A candidate for Governor such as Mr. Spitzer has to worry about job creation, especially in a state from which young people and jobs are both fleeing.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 10:19 AM

"Clinton Orders Bobert to Purchase Gas Guzzler"

Rev. Sun Moon for Jesus in '08...

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 10:21 AM

"The Army surpassed its recruiting goal for June, the Pentagon said, the 13th consecutive month the service has met or exceeded its target. The Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps also met or exceeded their goals"

*grin*...that's because they REDUCED the stated goals when they found they wouldn't be able to meet them.

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 10:59 AM

"But it has some flaws in logic of its own. One, for example, is the diffgerence between dipolar EM fields (such as those soldf as healing magnets) and the kind produced by AC or continuous waves. Very different mechanisms altogether."



Thanks, Amos. I don't pretend to know anything about magnets. But the other points in the article really bring out the current arguments all together, don't you think?


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Alba
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 11:05 AM

I wonder sometimes how the Folk that write this kind of stuff manage to do so when they have their minds completely closed, their eyes tightly shut and their fingers stuck in the ears while sitting there in front of their Computer Screens shouting Lalalalalala at the top of their voices in an effort to shut out Reality. Their spin is hilarious but they do earn bonus points for being able to conjure up a Fairytale while inflicting themselves with a very strange form of sensory deprevation!
Nothing like "Make it up as you go along" Journalism ! (I use the term Journalism very loosely of course:)
The Writers and the Readers/Believers of these Tales obviously have an overwhelming need to ignore reality, relevance and fact so they can continue to live in Lala Land.
Hope the weather is nice "out there"..* smile *

J

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: harpmolly
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 12:11 PM

Hubby--

I wonder why anyone (including myself) is bothering to respond to your posts at all. You seem to be perfectly happy to keep the thread going all by yourself. ;)

However, I can see how comforting it would be to wrap yourself in a lovely warm fuzzy blanket of right-wing propaganda. Would you like me to sing you a lullabye? Do you need your teddy bear? I'll leave the hall light on so the left-wing closet monster can't jump out and scare you...

M

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Wesley S
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 12:34 PM

It's ALL propaganda. Some right wing some left wing. I've got no problem with reading Hubby's articles. I'll most likely disagree with them. But only AFTER I read them. Hubby's welcome to his opinions.

Live and let live I say. It's not like he's breaking down our front door and forcing us to read them. { We live in the same city - he better not }. We all read these threads of our own free will.

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: GUEST,Woody
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:03 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/washington/09econ.html&OQ=_rQ3D1Q26exQ3D1152504000Q26enQ3D77784dfacac57a31Q26eiQ3D5087Q250A&OP=1182813fQ2FD!Y8DQ5EQ3EQ23nJQ3EQ3EdQ2BDQ2B22cD2tD2ND!ynoqjWdQ3EjD2NYQ23Q3EjkodQ27A

Sales must be down at the NY Times:

NYTimes: Surprising Jump in Tax Revenues Is Curbing Deficit
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
Published: July 9, 2006
Tax revenues are climbing twice as fast as the administration predicted in February, so fast that the budget deficit could actually decline this year.

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:22 PM

Hub:

Actually, no. I cited the magnetism issue as an obvious example of how leaving out relevant information can badly distort the effect of an article. For another example, the reference somewhere in your links of past cycles of warming and cooling over the milelnia on this planet completely omits the change in range of the magnitude of the numbers and the acceleration of the rate of change, both of which are completely disparate with past cycles which have been measured (by inference) from ice cores going back thousands of years. Nor do they take into account the side-by-side correlation of carbon emissions and temperature ramp-up thathave occurred since 1900, for example. ALthough there are lots of tangential arguments to be made (for example, that old coal-burning methods use less carbon molecules that LP-Gas burning does) the gross vo9lume of carbon count in the atmosphere-which is the critical bearing data-point--is ignored, as is the correlation with temperature and the acceleration factor already mentioned.

Each of the placating soporifics your links mention ignore critical other information -- for example, if the rate of indebtedness is declining by a fraction, ithas little bearing on themagnitude of the national debt OR its gross multiplication in the last six years.

Finding small datums to make you feel comfortable about ignoring big ones is not objective, or particularly intelligent.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:34 PM

As of now, the American National Debt is

$8,417,356,369,699.53

Taxes will have to go WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY up to take care of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:37 PM

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March 02, 2005

Is America going broke?

Record deficits, colossal debt and no clear plan for digging itself out. If the U.S. sinks, it will take Canada down with it.

STEVE MAICH

David Walker can see the future, and it scares the hell out of him.

That wouldn't be terribly unusual if he were one of the thousands of lobbyists, legislators and activists crawling all over Washington on any given day, pontificating about the urgency of their pet issues. There is a thriving industry here built on pushing policy prescriptions for every ailment, real or imagined. But Walker isn't a lobbyist or an activist, he's an accountant. His title is comptroller general of the United States, which makes him the head auditor for the most important and powerful government in the world. And he's desperately trying to get a message out to anyone who'll listen: the United States of America's public finances are a shambles. They're getting rapidly worse. And if something major isn't done soon to solve the country's intractable budget problems, the world will face an economic shakeup unlike anything ever seen before.






Seated in his wood-panelled office in downtown Washington, Walker measures his words, trying to walk the fine line between raising an alarm and fostering panic. He cringes when he hears prominent economists warning about a financial "Armageddon," but he makes no bones about the fact the situation is dire. "I don't like using words that are overly inflammatory," he says, leaning forward in his chair. "At the same time, I think it is critically important that the American people, as well as their elected representatives, get a better understanding of just how serious our situation is."

THE NUMBERS are staggering -- a US$43-trillion hole in America's public finances that's getting worse every day. And the stakes are almost inconceivable for a generation of politicians and voters raised in relative prosperity, who've never known severe economic hardship. But that plush North American lifestyle to which we've all grown accustomed has been bought on credit, and the bill is rapidly nearing its due date. If the United States can't find a way to pay up, the results will spill beyond national borders, spreading economic misery far and wide. In Canada, the country whose financial well-being is most tightly tied to trade with the U.S., there wouldn't be a single region or industry left untouched by a fiscal shock south of the border.

It's the looming presence of this potential crisis that brings Walker to this office every day, through the doorway with the words "Honesty Accountability Reliability" inscribed above, in hopes that someone will listen and take up the challenge before it's too late. "The sooner we start fixing this, the better," he says, "because right now the miracle of compounding is working against us. Debt on debt is not good. We have to first stop digging, and then figure out how we're going to fill the hole."

HOW DID THE U.S. GET INTO THIS MESS?
In January 2001, George W. Bush took over leadership of a nation that was on its most solid financial footing in decades, thanks to years of strong economic growth and a booming stock market. That very month, the Congressional Budget Office projected that the federal government could expect US$5.6 trillion in surpluses over the coming 10 years. The key political issue of the day was how to spend the windfall. Bush's team was determined to return the money to the voters in the form of massive and widespread tax relief. What the world didn't know was that this surplus cash was largely illusory, the result of faulty bookkeeping.


from this rather neat article:

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/world/article.jsp?content=20050307_101541_101541

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:47 PM

From Guest,Woody's link...

""The tax relief we delivered has helped unleash the entrepreneurial spirit of America and kept our economy the envy of the world," President Bush said in his weekly radio address on Saturday.

Democrats and many independent budget analysts note that overall revenues have barely climbed back to the levels reached in 2000, and that the government has borrowed trillions of dollars against Social Security surpluses just as the first of the nation's baby boomers are nearing retirement.

"The fact is that revenues are way below what the administration said they would be a few years ago," said Thomas S. Kahn, staff director for Democrats on the House Budget Committee. "The long-term prognosis is still very, very bleak, and the administration doesn't have any kind of long-term plan."

One reason the run-up in taxes looks good is because the past five years looked so bad. Revenues are up, but they have lagged well behind economic growth.

The surge could also evaporate as quickly as it appeared. Over the past decade, tax revenues have become much more volatile, alternately soaring and plunging in the wake of swings in the stock market and repeatedly defying government projections."


A lot of these (rather desperate looking, in my opinion) attempts to bolster Bush's approval ratings just don't stand up under much scrutiny. But you have to admit, they've got a good system going... "Can't deliver on campaign promises? No sweat... just lower expectations or raise the debt ceiling."

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:55 PM

CC Facts are still facts and opinions are opininons. Do you go by facts or someone's opinion.

Tax revenues are up and taxes have been cut. Care to dispute these facts using somethin other that opinion?

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 02:12 PM

Facts are still facts and opinions are opininons.

This is true. Fact... the national debt has increased as much under GW Bush as under all other presidents combined. Fact... the Republican controlled congress has raised the debt ceiling to nine TRILLION dollars. Fact... "When President Bush took office five years ago, the national debt was at $5.6 trillion; since then, big budget surpluses have collapsed into huge deficits, and the debt has shot up nearly 50 percent.", and now they are planning to allow the debt to increase to 9 trillion dollars."

That's a pretty stark reality, Guest,11 Jul 06 - 01:55 PM. Wrap your brain around that one for a few minutes... (clearly, neither you nor the Hubster are fiscal conservatives, but maybe this will make you nervous nevertheless)...

When George W Bush took office, the national debt was 5.6 trillion dollars. The national debt is now more than 8 trillion dollars and congress expects it to reach 9 trillion dollars. When it reaches 9 trillion dollars, President George W Bush and the Republican controlled congress will be responsible for almost doubling the national debt in less than 8 years with their borrow and spend fiscal policies.

Tax revenues are up from what, Guest,11 Jul 06 - 01:55 PM, and what does that mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Wesley S
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 02:49 PM

Please see the "I Miss Monica" thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 02:51 PM

Tax revenues are up. Good. But there's still a shortfall between income and outgo!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 02:55 PM

What.......first Colorado......now New York?


Good ideas tend to spread throughout the liberal bastions.



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 02:59 PM

It just takes one to ruin it for the rest.


(from the article)

Most of the people who sneak across the border are no longer good people in search of honest work, the sheriff of a border county in Texas told a House subcommittee yesterday, but rather criminals who belong to gangs and drug cartels.
    "For years we have seen individuals enter the country illegally," said Sigifredo Gonzalez Jr., sheriff of Zapata County. "However, recently we feel that many of these persons are no longer entering the country to look for legitimate employment. We are now seeing that many of these persons are members of ruthless and violent gangs."
    Sheriff Gonzalez's testimony before the House International Relations subcommittee was part of a series of "field hearings" held across the country to gauge voter opinion on reforming the nation's immigration laws. Yesterday's hearing was held in Laredo, in Zapata County.
    "Some areas can accurately be described as a war zone," panel Chairman Ed Royce, California Republican, told The Washington Times after touring the border near Laredo.
    Sheriff Gonzalez told members of the subcommittee that the number of illegal aliens from places other than Mexico -- including countries on terrorist watch lists -- caught crossing the border has more than quintupled in the past four years. Increasingly, he said, they try blending in to look like Mexicans crossing the border in search of honest work.
    With more than 165,000 illegal aliens caught in fiscal 2005, Sheriff Gonzalez said, he can only imagine how many succeed in getting across.
    "I dare to say that at any given time, daytime or nighttime, one can get on a boat and traverse back and forth between Texas and Mexico and not get caught," he said. "If smugglers can bring in tons of marijuana and cocaine at one time and can smuggle 20-30 persons at one time, one can just imagine how easy it would be to bring in two to three terrorists or their weapons of mass destruction across the river and not be detected."



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Wesley S
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 03:08 PM

Let me guess - the sheriff wanted his budget increased....

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 03:13 PM

CC:

I means tax revenues are up. They are increasing, growing, getting bigger. More tax money is being collected.

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Wesley S
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 03:14 PM

Gee - I thought Rebublicans wanted to lower taxes...

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 03:28 PM

Taxes have been cut and tax revenues are up.

On Friday, the Congressional Budget Office reported that corporate tax receipts for the nine months ending in June hit $250 billion -- nearly 26 percent higher than the same time last year -- and that overall revenues were $206 billion higher than at this point in 2005.

Congressional analysts say the surprise windfall could shrink the deficit this year to $300 billion, from $318 billion in 2005 and an all-time high of $412 billion in 2004.

Subject: RE: BS: Oh no!....Say it ain't so!!
From: Wesley S
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 03:42 PM

So I guess it really WAS Bill Clinton's fault after all.