Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 02:18 PM

Videotape of Steve Irwin's last moments pulling a stingray barb from his chest show no evidence he provoked the animal, officials said Tuesday, as the world mourned the loss of the charismatic Australian naturalist.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 02:51 PM

Videotape of Steve Irwin's last moments pulling a stingray barb from his chest show no evidence he provoked the animal, officials said Tuesday, as the world mourned the loss of the charismatic Australian naturalist.

I am sure that is the case. I suspect will be asked next to accept that the no-brain sting ray actually climbed on board the boat and speared poor old Steve when he was off guard and knocking back a tinny......

Just because the film may not show it - does not of course mean that it did not happen. Perhaps we could at least agree that if he did not stress this sting ray - it would not have been the usual Steve Irwin style of presentation?

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 02:57 PM

"Perhaps we could at least agree that if he did not stress this sting ray - it would not have been the usual Steve Irwin style of presentation? "

Shambles - just because you have an opinion does not make it fact.

Your idea of "stress" does not seem to be what Irwin actually did. at least not on the programs I've watched.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Genie
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 04:02 PM

What Ron Olesko said. Both of his last posts.

I don't think Irwin's shows encouraged people to disrespect wildlife or take crazy chances around them any more than watching Circe du Soleil encourages people to swing aloft from trapezes.   

And, while fatal stingray attacks are not unheard of, they really are the exception - not the rule, the way the bites of some snakes are.    I hardly think it was "inevitable" that Irwin would die in this manner.   It's a bit like a racecar driver getting killed in a public roadway crash at 30 MPH instead of going out in a fiery crash on the speedway.

Let's not forget that other wildlife researchers such as Dian Fosse and Asa Johnson were killed by 2-legged critters who disapproved of their activities. It's not always your research subjects that end up being your undoing.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Genie
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 04:08 PM

Little Hawk,
Not sure if it's your intent, but you crack me up!!
LOL

Genie

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Genie
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 04:09 PM

And, Ron O., I should have said I agreed with your last THREE posts.
(You posted another while I was typing.)

G

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 04:19 PM

Oh, yes, that is my intent, Genie...glad you got a laugh out of it.

And you're STILL wrong. All of you. Specially Shambles. And Clinton. Why those two don't move in together and simply give up on the rest of us is a mystery to me. ;-)

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 04:45 PM

Because they would fight over who was going to sign the lease first...

Talk about "The Odd Couple"

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 05:43 PM

Oh, yes, I am SURE the video was tinkered with, in the frantic moments right after he was struck, before it was ever released to the authorities. And, I am equally SURE the professionals who were with him don't know a damn thing about wildlife and provocation. Seeing truly is NOT believing.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 06:08 PM

I suspect will be asked next to accept that the no-brain sting ray actually climbed on board the boat and speared poor old Steve (Shambles)

Not in this case, but it has happened (kind of): The article I have referenced in my last post (Med J Aust. 1989 Dec 4-18;151(11-12):621-5.) reports that an Australian boy on a boattrip was stung twice by a stingray jumping out of the water and died 6 days later. He should have known that boat trips can be dangerous.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 07:42 PM

Your idea of "stress" does not seem to be what Irwin actually did.

Stress can be a cumulative process. Each stressor by itself may not be significant, but when they affect the animal sequentially or simultaneously, they may push it over the threshold toward illness or death.

What are some of these stressors? Handling by humans, strange sights, noises and smells, unfamiliar foods or lack of food and water, restraint, injuries, heat, cold, light, and the presence of people's pets.

The above is from the following site where you can read the entire article.

http://chintiminiwildlife.org/Rehab/Injured/Understand.htm

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 08:09 PM

" What are some of these stressors? Handling by humans, strange sights, noises and smells, unfamiliar foods or lack of food and water, restraint, injuries, heat, cold, light, and the presence of people's pets."

Translation - you never know when your time is up.   

I think we all wish we could eliminate stress from our lives. Those stress factors are not just for owls and deer, they are the same factors that impact humans as well.

I guess my earlier point still stands - your idea of stress does not add up to what Irwin did.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 08:14 PM

It might interest you, Roger (but probably won't, since you already know everything)to know that what you refer to as stressing animals, may well be true in the case of snakes, tho' they did calm down quite quickly as a rule, when he handled them.

But with specific reference to crocodiles, if you simply throw food into their ponds, you will have fat, unfit animals, which will not live too long. Steve Irwin explained this very clearly in one of his programs.

The so called shows he put on at feeding times were designed to make the crocodile work for his food in the same manner as he would in the wild. So, far from causing him stress in order to show off, he was in fact taking care of the animal's welfare, and if this made enjoyable viewing, what's wrong with that.

He earned the name "Crocodile Hunter" by going round Australia relocating crocs which were causing problems near human dwellings, which prevented their being shot, and protected the human population at the same time. Alligators in the US are not so lucky, since only those less than five feet long are relocated. The larger ones are euthanased.

Crocs can travel enormous distances overland in search of new water, and I suspect that you would be very glad to see someone like Steve if you lived by a lake and a croc decided to settle in fifty yards from where your pets and children played.

The crocs at Australia Zoo are, as I understand it, the very few that for good reasons could not be released into the wild.

You seem to have disliked both Steve Irwin and his TV series, which leads me to believe that you watched very little of his output, so could it be that you are arguing from a position of some ignorance, merely for the sake of argument?

I have often disagreed with your opinions, but this is the first time that I have been disgusted by the total lack of charity and humanity that you (along with several others on this thread) have displayed.

For Christ's sake man, he has only just died, and his family are probably too shocked to have even started grieving. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 08:22 PM

Thank god, when my mother passes on,(it may be soon) none of you people will argue about whether or not she was stupid enough to have caused her own death,in a public forum.

signed,
disgusted


Another good sould lost in Steve Irwin. So sad...

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 10:18 PM

I cannot believe this thread is still running. I liked the man and believed he knew what it took to get a message across in this day and age. Stilly, Ron, Don, and many others tend to agree while a number of you don't. For those who don't I have seen some well thought out arguments and I suppose we could continue those discussions and probably agree to disagree....a well tested Mudcat scenario.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 11:25 PM

It seems a shame that he didn't get to reach Aussie Man-of-action Elder-Statesman status the way Paul Hogan has. Too bad.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 11:51 PM

Larry King did a good job, I thought, of having Jeff Corwin, Jack Hanna, and Phillipe Cousteau (Jaques's grandson) on his show, tonight, talking about this. Cousteau was filming with Irwin, though he wasn't in the water at the time of the accident. To a man, they all stressed Irwin's conservation efforts, as well as his educational programs, and his being the same friend/father/husband off camera as well as on camera. They said he always took time to talk with fans; considered and treated his staff as family; and, was a genuinely sincere fellow.

King also had the head of the aqaurium in Atlanta on to talk about sting-rays.

According to what was said, Leno will do a tribute to Irwin tonight.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 11:55 PM

I suspect he just catapulted himself there when he wrenched out the stingray spine. It is the hard way to do it. I was comparing him to Hogan when I discussed this with my son yesterday. Yet I think Hogan practices/practiced such broad slapstick humor that the "man-of-action" sobriquet would be more suited to Irwin.

SRS

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 12:24 AM

With respect, Irwin was a whore. He continued the dastardly work begun by Theodore Roosevelt in the U.S. Sure it's nice to preserve Yellowstone and all that, but the land Teddy Roosevelt took was just that...taken. For the bears. Those cute "Teddy" bears. What a massive PR stunt. The federal govt of the US stole millions of acres of land and convinced the public it was for their own good. And over the past hundred years Americans have been trained to become all gooey when "the wildlife" is mentioned. I get all gooey when I'm gutting a deer, and that's about it.

In Austin, there was some bird that was "endangered" about 20 years ago, and the city council stole lots of land to protect it, then a new "scientific study" came out and said the bird was doing alright after all. Motels and golf courses are now on that environmentally "sensitive" land. The people of Austin were bamboozled. Flim-flammed by the people who would develop the real estate once they left the city council.

Irwin's death at the butt-end of a fish with superior intelligence makes me wonder how many people he helped drive off their land with his phony "endangered" statements. Those folks must have been dumber than fish, I guess. At least the fish put an end to its exploiter. And someone mentioned Cousteau back there...wasn't he Vichy French? That's how I remember him, at least. So it'll be with Irwin. Good riddance.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se
From: Keef
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 02:05 AM

Guest
With respect
You are a Fuckwit

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: The Shambles
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 06:27 AM

For those who don't I have seen some well thought out arguments and I suppose we could continue those discussions and probably agree to disagree....a well tested Mudcat scenario.

Sadly one that has long been replaced by another well tested Mudcat senario. Where even on the rare occasions when a poster does bother to explain why they may not agree - it is now thought acceptable to also make some personal judgement of the poster's worth. Or indeed to post only this.

For it now seems to be thought just much too much fun to resist - when posters express different views to you - to call them names, question their mental health, speculate on the size of their gentitals, the state of their bowel movements and tell them to F***-***.

I can think where this example of posting behaviour came from - or why it is now allowed to be thought acceptable posting behaviour. Perhaps it was the poster who came up with words like 'fuckwit' and first encouraged their use them in this manner?

Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: catspaw49 - PM
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 11:25 PM

A dipshit is the offspring of a jerkwad and a fucknuts. It's in the fourth tier of profane vocabulary.

Spaw

It really is still OK to simply be seen to agree to disagree.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 11:53 AM

Stainton (his manager) said Irwin was in his element in the Outback, but that he and Irwin had talked about the sea posing threats the star wasn't used to.

"If ever he was going to go, we always said it was going to be the ocean," Stainton said. "On land he was agile, quick-thinking, quick-moving and the ocean puts another element there that you have no control over."

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 02:20 PM

"It really is still OK to simply be seen to agree to disagree."

You are right about that Roger, but it's not your opinions with which I take issue.

It is your abysmal lack of charitable human feelings and common decency. This is my opinion, based on your diatribes aginst a man newly dead, about whom you know nothing except the persona projected in a series of TV programs.

You have no more knowledge of Steve and his family in real life than you have of the posters on this forum.

You have no idea how many of his family and friends may, or may not, visit or even be members of this forum, and yet you and the guest with the "land grab" conspiracy theory have no compunction about causing extra distress.

To paraphrase a Shambles favourite, perhaps you would agree that this was not the best time to post only to mount a personal attack on a man no longer able to defend himself?

Now......where have I heard that before?

Don T.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST,cheyenne crousore
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 06:44 PM

To Steve's Children: I know how it feels to lose a parent. My mother died when I was 7. I hope you guys will be okay. I like your daddy's shows, they are great. That is the only show I watch on animal planet except for America's Funniest Animals. God bless you !    Love, Cheyenne Crousore age 11 Anderson, Indiana

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST,jake
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 07:00 PM

How terrible is it for Steve to go!!!!!! His shows are the only thing I watched on TV. I didn't know stingrays were that bad I swam with about 20-30 of them in the carribeans and nobody there got stung.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 08:03 PM

Dear Shambles,
I for one will greatly miss seeing Steve Irwin. My wife and children will as well. How dare you take an obituary thread and spew out such vitriolic nonsense. Who do you think you are? Are you the one that is greater than the rest of us? Are YOU the missing link?   I highly doubt it. An accidental death - a grieving family - 2 children without a father and many many others saddened by his passing - and you take the time to type what you have posted? THIS is what you do with your time? please re-read your statements and apologize to Steve. I for one will go back to watching my Steve Irwin videos and LOVING it!

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 09:00 PM

Irwin aided and abetted the land-grabbers, and in the end he ends up with a 6-foot hole in the ground.   Such is life. And death. He valued animals over people. He won't be missed, except by Queen Phillip and that land-stealing nature conservancy organization. Now they'll need to find a new mouthpiece. I can't believe this thread is still running. I know it's hard to re-assess heroes, but Irwin probably displaced and broke up THOUSANDS of families around the world. Bad man. Good animal, but a bad man.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se
From: GUEST,??
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 09:21 PM

No wonder the 9pm troll chose to remain anonymous. The ass is so full of crap it is coming out of its ears. Not one shred of evidence and it makes crap up. That troll is just another fool who drank the kool aid.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 12:05 AM

I think GUEST 2100 is trying to stir the pot, and obviously doesn't believe what he or she is saying otherwise would have a 'name'. I believe that Jacques Cousteau at the very least claimed he was with the resistance during WWII and probably was. While we're on the subject of fatalities, one of Cousteau's sons died landing an amphibious aircraft. Life is a risk whether you're mountain climbing or lying on the sofa letting your arteries clog (or brain clot in the case of GUEST 2100).
Steve Irwin died doing what he wanted, and harming nobody (to say the very least). A co-worker just flew back to Alaska from the US East Coast, and told me that's all anyone on the airplane was talking about. When so many people feel poorer for the loss, it indicates that Steve was doing something right.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 01:04 AM

Right. You folks convinced me. Irwin was a great man. Look at all the people he helped drive off those family farms and ranches so they could become contributing members of society. He helped swell the ranks of crack whores and drug dealers, and that took some effort, by golly. Fine man. Fewer farms, more crack whores. Put it on his gravestone. What a guy.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 01:19 AM

Looking for a gold star?

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 01:22 AM

LONDON (JTA) -- The biographer of Jacques Cousteau has uncovered evidence that the late underwater explorer harbored anti-Semitic attitudes.

A letter written 58 years ago by Cousteau during the wartime rule of the pro-Nazi Vichy government was published last week in the French daily Le Monde after being found by the biographer.

Cousteau, then a 31-year-old naval officer, wrote to a friend on May 1, 1941, to say that he and his family could find nowhere suitable to live in Marseilles.

"There will be no decent apartment available until we have kicked out all these ignoble yids who are burdening us," wrote Cousteau, who died two years ago.

http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/11534/edition_id/221/format/html/displaystory.html

Cousteau killed sea-life for documentaries, admits son

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=3561274
His name was indelibly linked to a wonderful technicolour world of marine life. But the legendary French explorer, Captain Jacques Cousteau, mistreated and even killed sea creatures while staging scenes for his films, according to a shocking new book by his son.

But Jean-Michel Cousteau, 65, who participated in many of his father's adventures, said such behaviour - although "intolerable" - was normal practice among wildlife film-makers in the 1960s and 1970s.

Captain Cousteau's reputation as one of the "fathers of environmentalism" should not be thrown overboard because of his occasional ill-treatment of dolphins, killer-whales and fish, first exposed by a US TV documentary in the 1980s, the younger Cousteau says.

"We wouldn't consider it for a second now. For him the ends sometimes justified the means. Isn't the important point that, at the end of the day, he served the cause of animals?"

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=3561274

(Years ago I read a book which described some actions in WW2, and one chapter was about the sinking of the French fleet. Had to be done so it couldn't be used against the Allies. Cousteau fired on Allied planes to protect the ships. Might've killed your grandaddy or mine. And that Jewish thing...never heard about that. He seems to have had the Nazi mentality though, if "the ends justifies the means." Did Irwin ever go through controversies like that? I think he had a bad hair day once...something like that, something pretty major for the TV generation).

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 01:29 AM

No star. Just the truth, Little Hawk. Govt operatives come in all forms. The good ones smile at you on TV and get you to cut your own throat. Irwin did a world of damage to the RIGHT of private property ownership. Because of him, millions now thing govts are better "stewards" of the land. Thieving, lying govts. Irwin helped them, and I didn't force him to. He sold out on his own. Turned his back on his own SPECIES even. I've never given any thought to how foul a crime that is, but it's got to rank right up there with...who knows. My work is done here.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: suzi
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 01:51 AM

Why all this hatred on the passing of Steve....so many sad people around...???? R.I.P. Steve...and love and blessings to his family. x

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 01:52 AM

Don't know about LH, but I wish I had one of those little 'poonies right about now. GUEST 0129 needs to get the antidote to whatever he's full of.

When a swimming accident in Australia turns into a tale of Vichy France we have clearly gone into lala land.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se
From: Keef
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 02:08 AM

Dear Guest
Since you are such a defender of private property ownership you ought to know that Steve Irwin spent most of his earnings to purchase land for wildlife habitat.
Here is part of the transcript from the Andrew Denton Show interview.
STEVE IRWIN: We... You know, easily the greatest threat to the wildlife globally is the destruction and annihilation of habitat. So I've gone, "Right, well, how do I fix that? Well, making a quid here. People are keen to give me money over there. I'll buy it. I'll buy habitat." And I reckon the only thing wrong... Now, how's this? The only thing wrong with, you know, wildlife in Australia is that I don't own it. I could... Imagine how many kangaroos and crocodiles I could have if I owned Australia? It's, um... My wife is an American so she's got this, er... She's, um...you know, she's a good capitalist. And, er, she's very clever with money. Me, I'm not that clever and I don't really give a rip, but, er, she is. And, um, so whenever we get a...a, um...enough cash and enough...and a...and a chunk of land that we're passionate about, bang, we buy it. And what we're trying to do is we're trying to set an example to the world that, um, every single person can make a difference. Particularly those in the, um, in the political arena, um, those that have zoological facilities, any, you know, multinationals, any millionaires. They can all make a difference by buying chunks of land. And, in addition to that, every single person - man, woman and child, no matter what walk of life you're in, whether you're a, um, a fisherman, a janitor, um, STEVE IRWIN, the Croc Hunter - you can make a difference in wildlife by simply not purchasing wildlife products. Because today, Andrew, the wildlife perpetrators, they're hard to spot, mate. But what it is, these wildlife perpetrators now kill animals and call it 'sustainable use'. That, "Oh, let's kill crocs, turn them into belts and that's sustainable," you know? That isn't sustainable. Since when has killing wildlife saved anything? So, I'm a wildlife warrior through and through. And buying land means: A. that we're going to be able to get animals back if, and or when they become highly endangered; and B. getting out into the world, taking you, the audience, with me, having an adventure, and making it exciting. Otherwise, you're stuck with the demographics that, say, David Attenborough's got which is a bit smaller than what I got. And changing people's opinions on wildlife. How's this? For the first time in history, mate, I've just been involved with an issue where people were worried about the welfare of a shark. How's that? For the first time in history. Yay!

Full transcript here for those interested (although the Strine does make it a bit of a hard read!)

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s960998.htm

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST,Terry K
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 03:54 AM

All of you mean-spirited negatives would benefit from a visit to Australia Zoo to try to find out what the man was really about. Fantastic bloke, he put so much joy into the world. I was gutted when I heard, and feel so for his family and those around (including my niece who goes to school with Bindi).

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 09:20 AM

"Look at all the people he helped drive off those family farms and ranches so they could become contributing members of society"

Anyone with half a brain would back up their claims with some evidence.   Please share with us some proof of your statements. If this is any basis in fact to your anonymous claims, you should not act like a coward.

Just because someone writes something on the internet does not make it true.   Your messages speak more of a jealousy that you could not match the character of such a person. Instead of doing something constructive with your life you sit around making up crap about others on the internet, at least that is the way it is looking to all of us who read your ramblings.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Tweed
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 09:23 AM

RIP Steve Irwin:
A Good guy who still had some balls.

Shambles, Clinton,& Nameless Guests:
Dipshit fuckwit faultfinders.   What a bunch of pantloads. What the fuck is wrong with you guys.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: suzi
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 09:46 AM

Here, here...Tweed.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 09:51 AM

Just reading Don's letter about crocodiles in Oz and aligators in America. I read the thread out of interest - never saw the show, as I can remember.

What tolerant people you must be - having these huge things wandering round. people go apeshit if they see a rat within 200 yards of where they live in England. and quite right too.

i never watched this bloke, but he seems to have been on the side of the angels from what you say.

let's just all agree, its sad he's dead. He was a young man with a future, and the future is no more, and that's sad.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Becca72
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 10:21 AM

Tweed, I'll second that!

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 12:55 PM

That's "Hear, hear!" Suzi. It is short for "Hear what the man is saying, all ye present!"

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 12:58 PM

Germaine Greer has waded into this discussion with a letter to the editor, but even she isn't as hard on Irwin as some of our dissenters here.

SRS

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 02:11 PM

So Irwin was into real estate. Figures. Bet he got some good deals, what with fronting for the land-grabbing machinery worldwide. And all he ends up with is a hole in the chest and a hole in the ground. Makes you wonder if selling out your species is worth it.

If you folks were REALLY into nature and all that, you'd be concerned about genetic engineering and cross-species gene splicing. Did Irwin ever address that? His snow leopard in the swamps of Florida (or whatever that misinformation was) was the last bit of fluff I watched him in, and that was years ago. Did he ever talk about the spider-goat farm in upstate New York and the cockroach genes in tomatoes? If not, then he was a phony and didn't give a damn about nature. I kind of doubt he did shows on those topics, because then his govt backers wouldn't air the things and he would've ended up perforated much sooner.

Genetic change has always been slow. Glacial. But now they put insect genes in your vegetables to give them longer shelf-life. So it's not just cross-species contamination which is occurring, it's cross-KINGDOM contamination. Chimeras are being created and released into the environment daily. THAT is the real nature issue at the moment, and if Irwin had you focused on whooping cranes or horny toads, then he may have been beyond merely anti-human. He may have been downright diabolical. You folks had me convinced he'd done his deeds for the good of the crack whores, and now I have my doubts again.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST,MARISA
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 02:20 PM

R.I.P TO STEVE IRWIN HE WAS A GOOD MAN AND IT CAME TO A SURPRIZE HES DEAD HE WAS LIKE A HERO TO ANIMALS IT NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME WITH OUT HIM AND TO PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVEING THESE MESSAGE SHOW SOME REPECT TO HIS WIFE AND KIDS R.I.P STEVE IRWIN YOU WILL BE MISSED AND ALWAYS IN OUR HEARTS

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: GUEST,???
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 02:24 PM

"You folks had me convinced he'd done his deeds for the good of the crack whores, and now I have my doubts again. "

Your opinion does not matter. You are a troll, a bible thumper at that.

"If you folks were REALLY into nature and all that, you'd be concerned about genetic engineering and cross-species gene splicing. Did Irwin ever address that?"

Yes he did.

Get a life, or at least get some fresh air.

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Becca72
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 03:37 PM

Guest ???, It's hard for someone to get fresh air with their head planted so firmly up their arse...

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 04:45 PM

I wondered why and how it was we were getting so many nutcases dropping by until I typed "Steve Irwin obit" into Google and found us in the top 20...about 17 or 18.

That's pathetic

Spaw

Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 05:09 PM

It looks like a lot of outsiders are visiting Mudcat and are posting just because they can. It doesn't help that our home-grown wackos have tilted the trajectory of this thread so far into La La land.

SRS