BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 07:56 PM

Rhiannon, that's an excellent idea! I have just the parents to do so, too along with a couple of pets who've crossed over. Thanks!

Thanks too to Lucy and Fiona, as well as the rest of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 05:24 PM

Yeah, OK, I know you were going to let this thread drop but just one last thing ...

We are in Samhain and for 24 hours the veil is very thin between the two worlds. Maybe you could ask relatives/friends on the other side to have a look round.

Blesséd be

Rhiannon

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: pixieofdoom
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 09:04 AM

So sorry that you haven't heard anything,I can only imagine how hard this is for you all

all the best

Fiona xx

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 06:56 AM

That's so sad, Kat, but I think you are being realistic. Loving thoughts from both of us to help you cope.

Don't stop looking though.

Luv

Rhiannon and Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Hawker
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 02:55 PM

Stll sending thoughts and prayers out for a safe return, do let us know if pup is found.
Cheers Lucy

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 02:48 PM

Not a word. I am going to let this thread go, unless there seems to be some cause for hope. At the moment, I give up. Thanks for all of your good thoughts and support.

luvyakat

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 01:13 PM

Thanks, SRS, we have done that with our own kids for years. He knows that someone "nice' may have her. And, truth to tell, I know he will be okay. He understands he may never see her again. It helps to have Blondie and Nanny Dizzy around.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 10:18 AM

Children need to learn about loss and grieving as much as they need to learn about everything else. I suggest that some of that be addressed now, if it hasn't already. Keep up the search but don't keep this child on pins and needles all the while. Characterize it as you wish--she found a new home, she may have not been so lucky.

"Shit happens." It's one of life's lessons for all of us, not just for adults.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: GUEST,Ella who is suze
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 03:30 PM

Hi Kat... Still fingers crossed from across the atlantic... take care...

EWIS

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 02:00 PM

My apologies for sounding so short in my last posting, folks. Stress gets to me sometimes.:->

Thanks, Dave's Wife. He is a beaut! I took in an ancient Siamese one time. She lasted for two weeks. Those were two weeks she was off the streets, well-fed and loved. I was grateful she had come to me.

You are right, we do not have enough staffing here, though when they do come out they are excellent. we had to call because our neighbour's dog died in a yard and it seemed like neglect to us. They took the body, did an autopsy and found it was littered with tumors. I still don't think the dog was treated well enough.

As for getting them involved, we jsut don't have enough info. We will have to go cruise that neighbourhood ourselves, I think, before we try to involve them or the cops.

There are, for the first time since she went missing, two ads for female boxers for sale; one is "4 months and brindle" the other is "1 and 1/2 yrs." I guess either one could be her, but i think the 4 month old is more likely, so I have left a message of interest on their phone. Some nice guy called to make sure i had seen the ad for the 1 and 1/2 yr. old.

Today when I was driving with my grandson,near one of the places we looked, he starting calling her, "Numa, Numa, where are you?" Almost broke my heart.

luvyakat

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 08:25 AM

Kat - I'm surprised at the reaction of Animal Control because they ARE the police when it comes to animals.

I'm on very friendly terms with the officers who cover my area and I know they would take seriously a complaint from a citizen who has lost a dog and has had a call and promise of return that didn't pan out. It's true that dogs are considered property and that any eventual police complaint would be handled y your local law enforcement but Animal Control officers can get invloved before that complaint is made.

The reason you would cite to get AC motivated to make a visit would be you suspect maltreatment and that the person who claims to be holding Numa made a promise of return which they renegged on. The Ad clearly stated that Numa is on meds so the woman should know that by holding her she is, in effect, mistreating the dog. Of course, you prolly don't want to take it to that extreme. Still, who would it hurt for the Animal cops to ask around her neighborhood and knock on a few doors?

When My dog Puppers came down with epilepsy, a neighor who saw us restraining him during a grand mal seizure didn't understand the situation and called Animal Control to say we were beating our dog. They wasted no time coming around my street, chatting up the neighors and asking if we were monsters who would beat our dog. The other neighors were horrified y the suggestion but told AC when we usually walked him and when he would e out in the yard. They waited until they knew my husand wouldn't be home and came over to demand access to Puppers.

Long story short, we had a wonderful visit with the animal cops who played with Puppers and gave him a good once over with his fave brush so they could look for injuries. I gave them copies of the Seizure Logs I kept to track how often and what type of seizures he had, his medical chart and his Vet's name and numer. In addition, I had to get a notarized letter from his Vet praising us as responsible owners and detailing all the treatment he'd recieved. I'm not angry about having to do that mind you, I'm just saying all they got was a vague complaint and they came down on us like a ton of bricks.

Since then, I've gotten to know them well by sending them follow-up reports on Puppers progress for the file (to avoid future misunderstandings) and to get their help with a series of viscious strays in our neighorhood. We even had a situation where one person tried to keep a dog he found "running loose" (dog escaped yard after breaking thru a window to get at a female in heat) and AC helped the original owner get the dog back.

It could be that where you are, you have insufficient staffing to go out on a call like this. Where we live, we have plenty of staffing but the officers are dispatched from a location about an hours drive away during business hours. We have to be patient when asking for assistance with vicious dogs, often cornering them ourself and barricading them in an alley until the AC arrives.

>sigh<

I'm so heartsick for you Kat. Do you think that lady was expecting to be offered a reward and when none was discussed she decided to low it off? We continue to pray and hope for Nuam's safety and her eventual safe return home to her family.

Please keep me in your thoughts too because we are going to a Rescue saturday to maybe adopt a new doggie. Here's his pic:

whatta handsome Boy!

We believe he is a Red Siberian Husky and German Shepherd mix. I wasn't sure we'd want to adopt so soon ut I saw his picture and realized that a 7 yr old might be perfect for us. He's the same age Puppers was when he died ut if all turns out well, we can enjoy his remaining years with him; the ones we didn't get with Puppers because of his epilepsy.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 04:22 PM

Thanks, JudyB. My daughter, a single mom, has walked literally miles and miles over the course of the past three weeks, with Blondie in tow, near all sightings and throughout our neighbourhood and other ones close by. No luck.

I called animal control about the weird no-show. They said it was 1) rare to hear of suhc a thing happening and 2) a matter for the police but not much they could do without a full name and/or address/phone number. My dau. is mad at herself, too, for not thiking clearly enough to get those.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: JudyB
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 03:43 PM

Has your daughter or her husband tried walking with Blondie (firmly attached by at least two leashes) in the area where there are the most sightings? It might be that Numa Jean would come out of hiding if she heard her sister - or that Blondie could recognize Numa's bark and lead them to her, if someone else is keeping her.

Positive thoughts heading your way.
JudyB

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 02:14 PM

Thanks, Ebbie. That is why I changed the picture in the ads and on the flyer, plus added the words: "I am bigger now than in the photo."

I am glad the photo has helped to focus. I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner! Thanks to you all!

luvyakat

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 12:27 PM

kat, the thought occurs to me that to some people 'puppy' may be misleading. Some people might not think of calling a five-month old canine a puppy, but a young dog. A puppy to them would bring to mind a falling over, floppy midge of a thing, and they would not be on the lookout for something older.

Just seeking other avenues...

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Janie
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 12:05 AM

It is time someone brought that puppy home!

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: JudyB
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:53 PM

Thanks for the picture - it does help with focus. Good thoughts heading your way.

JudyB

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Blowzabella
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:03 PM

Oh. bless - they are both so gorgeous!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:48 PM

Thanks, pixie.:-)

And now, we've had ANOTHER call from a woman who says she is sure she saw her, last night, near the vicinity where others have seen her over the past almost three weeks. I gave her Numa's name and she promised to try to catch her if she sees her, again. I don't know what to think, but this woman sounded pretty sure, too, after seeing the new picture.:-,

I am not sure if I posted pix or not. If you want to see the two puppies click here. Numa Jean is the darker of the two.

Thanks, again.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: pixieofdoom
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 04:43 PM

Really hope you hear more good news soon kat.........still thinking of all of you

Fiona x

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 03:50 PM

Thank you, Elf, and everyone else. Here's the amended add to the ad:

"To the person who called from the Ridges in the Redlands, near the golf course and positively identified my son's boxer puppy: "The Little Guy" says PLEASE CALL BACK. Sorry we missed you."

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: GUEST,Elfcall
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:29 AM

I have followed this sad story from the start - I grew up with boxers, as a baby I toddled along holding onto one for support! So I sort of went where he went- and was often found asleep in his basket.

I am lucky that I see a friendly pup who lives close by (well more of an adolescent really but that could describe most boxers!!)

I sincerely hope that your family are reunited with their lost friend very soon.

Elf

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:11 AM

Thanks, Sins. My dau. is a bit mad at herself for not remembering to get a name, addy, etc. We DO know the woman lives on the golf course in a high-priced area and that ruby red car has got to stand out. I am trying to believe there was just some miscommunication about where to meet and that she will call again. Barring that, my dau. has just had me add to the ads in the papers. She laid it on a bit thick, BUT I don't blame her. Here's the text added on: "To the lady who called from the Ridges in the Redlands, near the golf course and positively identified my son's boxer puppy, please call back. I waited two hours & my son cried all night because we never connected." (He didn't cry quite all night.)

Trying to follow my own advice: "give thanks for this or something better for the highest good of all concerned and let it go.":-(

Thanks, folks,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:30 AM

How cruel.
Anymore calls, get an address where you can pick up the puppy. Any more pranks, notify the police.
Maybe ask a question like "Is the incision on her stomach infected?" If the person answers "Yes", you know you have a fraud. If she says "There is no incision.", explain your reasons for asking.

I am so sorry, kat. This is cruel.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:20 AM

Nothing so far, but my dau. does think she remembers the woman's husband's name and knows that he has a "practice" here in town, so may have found a number for him, IF it's the right guy. She said it didn't feel right to call last night. The whole thing has made her uneasy plus she and my grandson have bronchitis, so not feeling up to par. I have offered to call, so will remind her of that this a.m. and go from there IF the woman doesn't call back.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 06:27 AM

everything crossed... I hope someone wouldn't be soooo cruel to be making a false claim...

sigh... still crossing everything though.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:02 AM

C'on Kat - you must know by now.

Rhiannon

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 12:58 AM

You're right, guest, she didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 08:40 PM

Kat she wouldn't need to give out her addy. Anyone in the neighbourhood who knows her and knows she has lost a pup and is advertising widely for it's return could have made that call.

But that is a real remote scenario and I am sure your daughter wouldn't have been 'stupid' enough to go and meet a stranger in a parking lot and leave her home empty.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Blowzabella
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 08:19 PM

Fingers crossed kat - can fully understand what you're going through

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 08:06 PM

Only if one is stupid enough to give out one's addy. Hence the meet in the local parking lot. Thanks, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 08:02 PM

Hope she turns up but what a ruse to get your house burgled while you are sitting waiting in a parking lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 07:59 PM

Could use some extra good thoughts, asap. A very nice woman called my dau. saying she is sure, by the new picture, that she has had Numa Jean for the past week, after having picked her up in our area. She felt she was too nice of a dog to take to the pound. She is also moving in a couple of weeks. She and my dau. made arrangements to meet at a local store parking lot. Her number did not show up on caller id and my dau. didn't get it, although she knows the woman lives near the golf course and drives a cherry-red Mercedes or BMW. The woman is over an hour late for the meeting and we are sitting on pins and needles. She was very sure it was Numa!

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 02:40 PM

Here's a Fort Worth, TX, news story that might be of interest to those following this thread:

Dog's finder could have avoided a court battle

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Bee
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 08:54 AM

I do hope you find her. I have an enormous soft spot for dogs and cats. It's a good sign she was seen with another dog - they can go off on long wild outings when they are so young. We were fortunate with our old dog, she took off only once, followed some smelt fishermens' children down onto the ice when she was about five months old. My husband gave her such a lecture, complete with expletives, she never left the yard without us again.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 12:15 AM

When I concentrate on the puppy I see the number 121. I want to separate it as 12 1 but I don't know what it means. There is a second-storey in the picture and a woman (older) with the puppy.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 11:45 PM

Thanks, Dave's Wife. So far her sister still has not gone into heat, so...anyway, I rewrote the ad, making it MORE pathetic and used an updated picture which we found, so...the first one came out today, another on Tuesday and the other pub. will come out on Wed. They all get a lot of circulation and we have already had one call of a sighting on Oct. 8th. Kind of a long time ago, but at least we know folks are watching out and responding. Hope we get more calls with more recent info. mY dau. is getting disheartened going to the humane society etc. with no luck. I think the updated picture will help a lot.

My grandson's third b-day is coming up so the ad is written from Numa's perspective asking folks to help her get back to him in time for his b-day.

Thanks, again, folks. When we find her I will start a celebration thread!

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 08:39 PM

Still holding out for Numa to find her way home!

I was going around my gardens today noting areas I will have to puppy-proof if I want a new doggie (my old one passed way 9/12/06 rembemer the doggie sunshine song?) As much as I think I am good at predicting the ways a future dog might get out, I know there will always be other ways they will think of. I don't think I can get the GPS thing in my area ut I'll look into. Kinda like Lo-Jack for dogs! We will chip our dog of course and have them tattooed with an ID #. Rendundacy is key. Tags can be removed and chips being internal.. well...

I am so hoping Numa is still with that other dog who seems to know his way around. of course, the longer she is gone, the more likely it is that she will marry him and have puppies with him. ;-) is there room for her Handsome Dan Husky in your household Kat? Who knows, maybe Dan came around and courted her, motivating her to jump the fence? My Puppers, although neutered, would head straight to Stella's house down the street whenever he got out. He got her out twice! Puppy love!

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 05:12 AM

Still sending positive thoughts. Maybe someone like Micca and Kats can do a 'working'.

Rhiannon

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Bee
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 10:09 PM

Don't give up hope. I've never lost a dog, but I've had cats go AWOL for weeks. One was a very weak and sick young thing someone stupidly let out while I was at work. He was just back from a week at the vet on IV, very thin. I had also just moved to a new house. The old house was about 3 km. away in a maze of busy streets. I called the new people at the old place, just in case he made it there, but three weeks later I was mourning. And they called me. They had a skinny little cat trapped in the porch. Off I went, and collected a scraggy bag of bones who spent the next month on my lap getting fed nutrient pastes. He lived to be 17.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 06:00 PM

One call on Sunday, an old lady trying to help, but the boxer she saw was huge and way far away. Other than that, nothing, no word, no sightings, nothing...:-< Thanks for asking, Mick, and everyone else. My hope is still that she is running with other dogs and just hasn't been caught, yet. We continue to go to Animal Control and the HUmane Society to check and the ads are still running.Morgan still tells everyone about how "Numa got lost."

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 10:32 AM

That coyote roller is good for dogs that go over the top, but what my pit bull was doing was testing the top edge of the wire cloth part and finding where there weren't enough wire loops to hold it onto the top bar. She was pushing against the cloth for a flexible place where it would sag a little and scooting over it but under the top bar. I went around the yard adding more clips to the top bar and cloth and still she got out. Other times she went under the fence, and on one occasion she scooted between a chunk of wrought iron fencing that I had wired against the cyclone fencing to block a hole. She wiggled through and did a sharp left turn at the hole and she was OUT. The Invisible Fence with its training and correction collars is perfect for this dog--she doesn't approach the fence.

Electric fences are not allowed in my town in any way, shape or form. Borders or inside the yard.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 10:25 AM

Update?

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 10:23 AM

UPDATE:

The husband is STILL not spending his days that way.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 10:17 AM

Update?

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Blowzabella
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 08:21 PM

Perhaps I should clarify - the above refers to the way my DOG spends his days - NOT my husband (who works very hard, he tells me!)

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 08:15 PM

The dog warden is fully aware of our pet handling procedures, as is the head of the local SPCA.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Blowzabella
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 07:57 PM

I've only just found out (vaguely) what an Ipod is - have no IDEA what a Blackberry is - other than something you pick off hedges and make pies out of!

Still got fingers crossed for ye kat. My boy is curled up in bed - I'll have to go and 'fight' him for space to lay my head in a minute. He was a rescue dog - a border collie - too nervy and soft for a world where he'd have to work for his living. He goes to work with my husband, who works at an agricultural college and spends the day with the trainee veterinary nurses. They take his pulse, clean his teeth, generally check him out - as far as the college's risjk assessment goes, my boy is 'low risk' for the students. He just loves the attention!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 07:50 PM

Here's something I WISH we'd known about and had on Numa Jean. (Of course I am all for better fences, coyote bars, etc.):


GPS sends pets wireless
Sep 1, 2005
Veterinary Economics

Pet owners can now purchase the first patented GPS tracking system for pets, a 5-ounce device that snaps to a pet's collar. It's equipped with GPS and two-way wireless to track a pet and let the owner review his or her pet's location on a wireless device, like a cell phone or BlackBerry.

A pet owner dials found on a wireless device to receive information on the pet's location, which may be in the form of a map or address. The tracking system also allows a pet owner to monitor the environmental temperature of his or her pet. The owner is instantly alerted if the pet becomes dangerously hot or cold.

Finally, a pet owner can use a Web site to create virtual fences. The service alerts the owner when the pet isn't within the preset perimeter.

The devices are waterproof and require rechargeable batteries. Pet owners must purchase the system, and then pay both activation and subscription fees.

Subject: RE: BS: Immediate Help needed - lost puppy
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 06:57 PM

In looking up the legality of hotwires in other than rural places I came across what looks to me to e an ingenius solution for smaller fence climers - it's called a Coyote roller. It's kinda like putting tubes on cable or phone wires to keep the squirrels off! Check it out:


Coyote Roller for fences


Since we have a coyote in our neighborhood right now eating random outdoor cats, this looks like something I need to show to the Neighborhood Watch captain over on the affected street. it keeps wild animals out of your yard but also looks like it would keep climbing fido IN.

From their FAQ:

>># Will the Coyote Roller system keep dogs or cats from jumping over the fence? Absolutely. In fact, the Coyote Roller works with nearly any animal that gains entry into a piece of property by scaling a fence. It can keep your pet dogs and cats in, and wild dogs and cats out.<<

When we get our new dog in a few months, I believe I will look into this further for my own property.