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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:14 PM Fresh Caribou Tongue 1 3-pound tongue 2 cups water I tablespoon salt 14 teaspoon pepper 2 bay leaves 6 whle cloves I medium onion, quartered 1. Wash tongue thoroughly with water and brush. 2. Place clean tongue on rack in pot, add water, salt, pepper, bay leaves, cloves and onion. 3. Plunge hot cookedtongue into cold water, then remove skin. 5. Strain liquid and pour over tongue. liceand serve hot with Spanish Sauce. (From the Northern Cookbook)
Goodnight, Shambles. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: The Shambles Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:07 PM Whatever Max's intentions may have been for starting our forum - to use his words. It will be what we make it... PERIOD |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Becca72 Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:01 PM The beauty of an Ignore button is we then don't have to see the complaints about being ignored, though, isn't it? |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Bill D Date: 25 Oct 06 - 06:58 PM *shrug*..if Max decides to have an 'ignore' button, I won't argue...it 'might' help a bit, but it might just lead to more squabbling. I'm not sure about 'members only'...I see the virtues, but also the drawbacks. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: cobra Date: 25 Oct 06 - 06:17 PM Who said you could speak? Are you holding the conch? |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Richard Bridge Date: 25 Oct 06 - 06:15 PM Have any of the posters here read "Lord of the Flies"? |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: GUEST Date: 25 Oct 06 - 06:01 PM Ah yes of course. For those not able to IGNORE guests. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Clinton Hammond Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:56 PM "So Clinton has come up with the best solution" The best solution is both, an Ignore Poster option, and Members Only posting on the forum |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: dwditty Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:26 PM Paltalk has an ignore function. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: gnu Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:01 PM Hehehehe... I just re-read the first post to remind myself of what all this was about. Then, I read the last post (25 Oct 06 - 04:50 PM) to this thread. I am so glad I didn't read any in between. Hey... struck me funny. See you again in a few days, maybe. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: GUEST Date: 25 Oct 06 - 04:50 PM So Clinton has come up with the best solution, an IGNORE button. Do you think the few shambles OCD'ers would use it? Would they hell, they need him banned as it is all a power trip game for them. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: nutty Date: 25 Oct 06 - 04:22 PM Well - I for one would far rather have a posting from Shambles (irritating though it may be) than the absolute filth being peddled in the name of art in such threads as The S&M Man. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Wolfgang Date: 25 Oct 06 - 02:53 PM The starting of multiple birthday threads by Shambles is just as honest and upright as when he posts You may have missed the above editing comment as it was inserted into an existing post and did not refresh the thread. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: MMario Date: 25 Oct 06 - 02:31 PM Of course on cannot *know* the intent of a poster - but when that poster Complains about birthday threads and their content and their treatment, then begins to post multiple birthday threads, one can get a pretty good idea of what the intent appears to be to the rest of the world. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Emma B Date: 25 Oct 06 - 02:26 PM I really can't comment whether the birthday threads were intended to be provocative (unlike some of my fellow posters I don't profess to have the ability to read minds) but obnoxious? - give us a break! However starting a thread with the sole purpose of banning someone from the forum would certainly fall into that category. It's fair to say moreover that, initially, the birthday threads were met with the "typical" nastiness we have come to expect which I for one considered misplaced and insulting to the muscians being celebrated |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: The Shambles Date: 25 Oct 06 - 02:25 PM The birthday threads are obviously intended to be obnoxious, but the nice thing about them is that we can add actual music information to them and reverse the obnoxiousness. -Joe- Piffle How do you or anyone else know what the intention of the the birthday threads was intended to be or indeed what the intention of any thread is? And would it matter? The intention of a thread can be positive as you like but any suspicious and paranoid assumption such as this or any subsequent post can turn any thread into something far less positive. Just as a less than positivly intended thread can end up being very positive indeed and the credit will be to the posters. One thing is sure - a less positively inteded thread can't be made positive if it is closed. You can take a little credit for not closing or moving these birthday threads if you like. But not for the opportunity to place musical information in them - for that was - and is their intention. Whatever misinformation you may provide to our forum |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Bill D Date: 25 Oct 06 - 02:05 PM 'humbly'? *grin*...sounds like 'fiendishly' to me. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: pdq Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:59 PM It is unclear to most Mudcatters just how many moderators there are. Most members know the identities of four or five. If there is to be a real shakeup, how about adding more moderators? I humbly suggest Shambles, DougR, Old Guy and Ron Olesko. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:42 PM The birthday threads are obviously intended to be obnoxious, but the nice thing about them is that we can add actual music information to them and reverse the obnoxiousness. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Clinton Hammond Date: 25 Oct 06 - 12:29 PM What Ivor said!! No one MAKES you do anything, especially on the internet! |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: John MacKenzie Date: 25 Oct 06 - 12:17 PM We live in a 'blame culture', if someone has got big clumsy feet and doesn't look where they're going, then trip over an uneven kerb. It's not an "Oh dearie me, I am a clumsy person". No,it's the council's fault the kerbstone was knocked askew by a truck not ½ an hour ago, and we shall immediately sue the crap out of them. It's what I call the irresponsible society. G. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: autolycus Date: 25 Oct 06 - 12:00 PM IMO, when you say,"They made me do it", you are not taking YOUR responsibility. It's the beginning of the blame game. Ivor |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Bert Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:12 AM Well said Azizi. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: GUEST,Max (Geldray) Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:43 AM Henry Crun: I'm going to sing moderrrrrn. Minnie Bannister: Well, I'll put my corsets on. Henry Crun: [taps his foot in rhythm] One two three four! [sings] Midda watchayacollum, whatcha doing tonight, Yeahhh! Taroo, I hope your in the mood cos I'm afeelin' alright. Ohhh go man go....etc etc. Orchestra: Highhat crash. Henry Crun: There Min. Let that be a lesson to you. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: SINSULL Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:15 AM Strange but true: I enjoy the daily Birthday threads. At first, I admit, my reaction was "What is he up to now?" Then I remebered El Swanno's daily thread and realized that if anyone but Shanbles had introduced the Birthdays, it would be perceived as nothing more than what it was. So Happy Birthday Minnie Pearl! |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Clinton Hammond Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:07 AM phpBB can do "Ignore" as well |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: GUEST,9.30 Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:05 AM Congratulations Bill! It was a disingenous remark and have I ever lost my cool? Well, of course otherwise I wouldn't be posting here in total frustration at the attempts to humiliate and demonize a fellow poster and attempting to point out, in a non-abusive way, that neither 'side' in this interminable so-called discussion holds the 'moral high ground' IMHO |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Bill D Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:03 AM ok, I see that jeffp has noted that 'ignore' is used on a board. I have a feeling that the feature would result in a lot of remarks ABOUT "ha, ha...I'm ignoring you" along with replies to THAT. It would be interesting. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Bill D Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:57 AM hey! 100 |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: jeffp Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:56 AM The Home Recording Bulletin Board has Ignore List capability. Of course, you have to be a registered user to use it. It also has the capability for users to give positive or negative reputation to other users, something which is sometimes used in a constructive way, other times in a completely childish one. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Clinton Hammond Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:55 AM Any vBulletin MB can enable the Ignore User feature... That you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist does it? |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Bill D Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:46 AM countless? Give me two... I've been to a few of each kind...never saw 'ignore' on forums....they just had serious moderation. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:45 AM "Da Debbil Made Me Do It!" |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Clinton Hammond Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:41 AM " that 'feature' is almost always for a real time chat room, not for a message forum" Bull... I could like to COUNTLESS message boards that have an "Ignore User" function... It's a very useful feature Wanna talk about something else you don't know as much as you think you do about? |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Bill D Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:40 AM Not what I said at all...but yeah, of course it is sorta ...ummmm...if not 'childish', at least disingenuous to claim "he made me do it". I'm trying to be a realist, though. People DO have different 'pain threshholds' and react differently. I don't suppose, oh 'guest', that YOU might have issues that make you see red and lose your cool?...hmmm? It is one thing to say you shouldn't whack your whiny kid....and another to note that he shouldn't BE whining that much. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: jeffp Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:39 AM Of course, we could always turn the conversation to anonymous shit-stirrers. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: GUEST Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:30 AM Let me get this straight - it's NOT childish to say "it's not my fault really, he made me do it!" ? |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Bill D Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:19 AM "an "Ignore User" feature, like a decent message board" that 'feature' is almost always for a real time chat room, not for a message forum. It is to prevent someone from flooding an ongoing conversation with crap & nonsense, making it hard to follow a conversation.
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:06 AM "Life wasn't meant to be fair"... |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: jacqui.c Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:39 AM Azizi - maybe that is why there are a number of moderators - that will iron out any perceived favouritism. From what I understand this problem arose about six years ago. He had one particular subject that occupied his mind and started a number of threads on the same subject. From what I can gather these threads were combined, which caused Roger to get rather upset. Later on the letters UK were put into the title. This was done to make the subject more clear to users but Roger got upset that 'his' thread title had been changed without his permission. I tend now to stay out of Shamble's thread but get irritated when he tries to carry on his fight against Joe, in particular, and the mods in general in other threads. If you check his posting history you will see what I mean. A number of us have tried to use reason with Roger and the same points are raised again and again and again by different people. None of this gets through to Roger and that does get VERY frustrating. I allowed myself to get to that point for a while but, once I finally realised that he is determined not to see any point of view but his own, I gave up banging my head against a brick wall. More recently Roger has been starting birthday threads for all sorts of performers, some of whom, IMO, do not really have anything to do with a folk and blues site. This was his reaction to a birthday thread being put in the BS section, rather than staying in the music section. IMO Roger's reaction to the general rules being enforced against him is childish and unreasonable. We only really hear from the vociferous few but, having talked to quite a number of Mudcatters in 3D this seems to be a prevalent view. From Max's statement in his 'State of the Union' it seems that he is also in agreement. It is quite likely now that Roger will cut and paste something that I have posted in the past that would appear to contradict this post or that he thinks supports his own view. That has happened before. All I can say is that with time and experience normality decrees that our positions will change to some degree on all but our real core values. That is called growing up. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: jeffp Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:23 AM There is a protection. It is called Max. Anything he doesn't like, he can reverse. If he doesn't like the actions of a moderator, that person will cease to be a moderator. It ain't a democracy, folks. It is what it is. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: Azizi Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:06 AM Imo, this issue is beyond the individual named Shambles. It seems to me that the central issue is the fairness of Mudcat forum rules across the board and how fairly those rules are enforced. It has been articulated that individual moderators have favorites. It has also been articulated that some individual moderators sometimes unfairly target those they do not favor. Whether this is true or not, I hope that Max will address these questions by putting in place protections to guard against this happening. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: catspaw49 Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:18 AM Can't see it can you Roger? The forest is obscured by all of those big, tall, leafy, woody, things isn't it? That thing you quoted from me.......I meant it but you just can't stop can you? The vendetta against the way the 'Cat works is an assault on Max and your carping and moaning have gotten you nowhere except in a hole. Go read my last post and then try to read the following for comprehension and not speed. From Max as posted above on this thread: Our priority number 2 is to beef up the back end security of the site so that we can confront such issues. I cannot currently effectively enforce a ban on the savvy. It would be too easy for them to find a workaround and get back in, now angry. Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can. Read it again and let it soak in..........and again...............and again..............Can you see the forest yet? If not, read it again. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: The Shambles Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:14 AM Subject: RE: Gallery of Mudcat Quotations From: John 'Giok' MacKenzie - PM Date: 24 Nov 05 - 04:21 AM Shambles you are a :- Self obsessed, self interested, self important, supercilious, pompous priggish, paranoid, prat. Deluded, devoid of humour, dreadfully boring and disgustingly repetetive. No need to reply. G. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: John MacKenzie Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:06 AM Thanks for making my point for me Roger, far be it from me to indulge in repetitition when you are our acknowledged expert. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: The Shambles Date: 25 Oct 06 - 06:54 AM I shall not sit around silent while some little obsessed wimp in Weymouth or thereabouts conducts a campaign of hatred against people who do a difficult job. I am not one of your mealy mouthed, wishy washy, sit on the fence liberals, who goes out of their way to make excuses for axe murderers and the like. I call it like I see it, and I am as determined to stop Shambles as he is to stop Joe doing his job. Yes I have a problem, I have a problem with people like Shambles being allowed to spoil this site for other people, for his being allowed to post his repetitive rubbish in thread after thread, in other words, I want him OUT. There now, I bet that came as a total surprise to you guest! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: GUEST Date: 25 Oct 06 - 06:18 AM Not a lynch mob maybe - but still highly unpleasant. Shambles might be an arse, but to be so plain nasty about him is very distasteful. I think I'll leave the party now, its gone a bit sour hasn't it. |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: John MacKenzie Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:12 AM There would appear to be an element of PC involved in some posts on this thread, you know the "I want to smack my child for misbehaving, but I don't do it because it's unfashionable and I'm trendy", sort of attitude. There is no lynch mob mentality, it is in the eye of the beholder, there is instead a growing number of people who's frustration at Shambles is such that they've abandoned their normal tolerant attitude, and given voice to their annoyance. Those that don't have the guts to use their names, or are afraid of losing their street cred, do it as a Guest, others tell it as they see it. Still doesn't make it a lynch mob in my book. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: autolycus Date: 25 Oct 06 - 03:38 AM Posters seem on balance to have controls. I wonder if Joe, Max, and the ethos of the net is self-control, of taking personal responsibility? And if you can ignore my posts occasionally, why not ignore the Shambles if you don't like them? Ivor |
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Subject: RE: Open Letter to Max From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 25 Oct 06 - 03:06 AM I do dislike the idea of 'banning', and even more so when it is 'forced' by a lynch mob - BUT, if there are sets of rules that are properly enforced (which, as I far as I can tell, seems to be one gripe buried among the cacophony!) then you break such rules at your peril. End of Story! :-) |
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