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Subject: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bernard Date: 28 Oct 06 - 06:17 AM The BBC News website has published proposals by the Local Government Association to mess around with UK 'daylight saving'... I quote (click for full news item): Hundreds of lives would be saved if the practice of putting clocks back and forwards changed, say council leaders. The Local Government Association wants the UK time system to be put forward by an hour to make the roads safer for children and cyclists. Clocks would stay as they are every winter but go forward in spring, putting them two hours ahead of GMT. The LGA of England and Wales wants a three-year trial of the Single/Double Summer Time (SDST) clock arrangement. The call comes as the clocks are due to go back at 0200 BST. I have emailed the following to them: I have just read on the BBC News website about LGA plans to change the current 'Daylight Saving' clock pattern. May I remind you that a similar hare-brained scheme was tried in the 1970s, with disastrous consequences. I was a primary teacher at the time, and vividly remember children being issued with reflective armbands and the like because there were so many accidents. We may not like the existing scheme much, but it is historically the best solution... so why not leave well alone? Don't fix what ain't broke!! Bernard Cromarty (Concerned grandparent!) Am I the only one who remembers that fiasco?!! We seem to have a debate about it every year, because some people with short memories cannot see that (for most people) the current system is the best compromise. I admit that farmers claim to have some difficulty with it - though I don't understand why. Cows don't use clocks, so why do farmers think they are a special case? Surely they do what has to be done when it needs to be done, regardless of what time a clock says it is!! Or am I missing something? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: MBSLynne Date: 28 Oct 06 - 10:43 AM It's ridiculous. If we keep the clocks as they are now for the winter, it will be dark in the mornings when the children go to school. Normally in winter it's only just getting light when my two go off to school, but this way they would be travelling and arriving at school, still in the dark. Ok, the evenings would be lighter but the mornings darker so I don't see what they think they would be achieving. In summer it hardly matters either way as it is light so late anyway. In the middle of summer it isn't getting dark until 10 so this would mean not getting dark until 11. Too late I think. I don't remember the 70s trial as I was in Australia. Speaking of which, Western Australia had a couple of try-outs for daylight saving and letters to the paper complained that "The extra hour of daylight is fading my curtains" and "The extra hour of daylight is putting my hens off laying"!! WA is introducing it again this year despite the fact that past referenda have shown a resounding "No". Love Lynne |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bernard Date: 28 Oct 06 - 10:47 AM No matter what happens, it's going to be a half-light in the morning and evening in December even as things stand. Changing things around will only cause other probems they hadn't thought of - as happened last time! Ho hum! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: John MacKenzie Date: 28 Oct 06 - 11:56 AM I see they specify England and Wales, which makes sense as the winter days are even shorter up here in the highlands, The thing is that time zones work better running north to south, because the sun goes east to west. As the Scottish border runs east to west as well, it would make Scotland being in a different time zone even more impractical. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bunnahabhain Date: 28 Oct 06 - 01:25 PM I though the England and Wales only bit was due to the differing buracracies of Scotland and down south, rather than they thinking Scotland didn't need it... The Daily Mail will shoot it down, as we would then have effectively the same time zone as the French, and we can't be having with that now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Paul from Hull Date: 28 Oct 06 - 01:32 PM I remember the issue of armbands, & was actually reminded of it the other day, when I saw a news report (cant remeber where it applied to, or even if it was National or Local news) about a School issuing kids with reflective waistcoats. I agree, its better left alone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Tootler Date: 28 Oct 06 - 01:51 PM I remember the last time. I was living in Whitehaven at the time and the mornings were distinctly dark. I now live in Middlesbrough and it will be just as bad. As was stated earlier, the accidents that they are claiming to reduce were simply transferred from the evening to the morning, not reduced at all. I suspect this is driven by councils in the South of England. It was last year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bernard Date: 28 Oct 06 - 02:39 PM It's interesting how they sensationalise the thing by starting "Hundreds of lives would be saved" - which, of course, is extremely difficult to confirm or refute. Okay, BST is a relatively recent thing (20th century?), but during the time it has existed, no-one has succeeded in coming up with a more workable alternative. Whatever happens it has to be a compromise. The frightening thing is that, unless enough people make a noise, these people either with short memories, or maybe not old enough to remember, will succeed in causing mayhem. Perhaps they can be persuaded to look at the actual GMT dawn and dusk figures, so they may see exactly how things would be affected if they mess with them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bernard Date: 28 Oct 06 - 02:41 PM Just a thought... schools now close, on average, at least half an hour earlier than they did in the 1970s - which was done for mainly economic reasons. So the plan to make it darker in the mornings looks even sillier in that context! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: number 6 Date: 28 Oct 06 - 02:42 PM Time, time, time. Think of all the possibilities. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: GUEST, Topsie Date: 28 Oct 06 - 02:57 PM The time the sun rises and sets will not change, apart from the few minutes a day it changes naturally. It's just a device to make everybody get up, go to bed, and do everything else an hour earlier or later. You only have to change your clocks and go along with this nonsense if you are required to fit in with everyone else (and I don't see why farmers need their cows and chickens to do that). As I am self-employed and work at home, I can work the hours that suit me. I get up when I wake, or as soon after that as I feel like it, I go to bed when I feel like it, and I eat when I feel hungry. However, I've only had major problems with the time change when more than one person decided to change the clocks, or when someone changed them in the wrong direction, either of which can make you, or the other person, two hours out of step with the rest of the world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 28 Oct 06 - 11:19 PM Daylight Savings time is being adjusted here in the U.S. starting in 2007. Daylight Savings will begin in March and end in November. I welcome the change here. Yes, it will be a little darker when we go to school - but it won't be pitch black. It is estimated that there will be considerable energy savings for this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Liz the Squeak Date: 29 Oct 06 - 02:48 AM I remember going to school in the 1970's in the dark. The school was fully lit by electricity for most of the morning - as it got lighter, people forgot to turn off the lights. Of course, if the day was overcast and the class room had north facing windows (school ran east-west) they were never switched off. Doesn't seem to me that it saved much fuel at all. Shortly after that we had the 'switch off' campaign where every light switch in the school had a neat little sticker demanding you switch the light off as you left the building. Wonder whatever happened to that idea?! As for the accident rates, are you more likely to be inattentive first thing, before the coffee has hit home, or whilst you're still mentally wrapped up in the duvet, or at the end of the day when you're tired from work, your brain is engaged on deciding what to get for dinner or you've had a crappy day? I don't like the idea of this double daylight savings - I can't see how it will make any difference to accident rates or energy saving at all, particularly in areas where there is almost permanent daylight due to streetlighting, shop lighting and illuminated buildings. Make people turn off their lights when the shop or office is closed, turn off monitors and unused electrical equipment, use low energy bulbs, open windows instead of air conditioning and fans, wear appropriate clothing instead of putting the heater on.... Teach kids AND adults proper road safety - go back to 'wear something white at night', put pedestrian crossings in places where people want to cross, rather than where drivers think they want to, improve and promote clockwork torches and radios.... the possibilities are endless. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: DMcG Date: 29 Oct 06 - 03:22 AM As someone said, this is a matter that is raised every decade or so. Heres an extrace from Hansard from October 1990:
My guess is that the underlying rationale is really the belief that trade with Europe will benefit, rather than anything to do with safety, but its less inflammatory to declare it to be about preventing accidents. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: GUEST,LGA Response Team Date: 29 Oct 06 - 02:24 PM Local Government Association Local Government House Smith Square London SW1P 3HZ Dear Brendan Cromatry, Thank you for your email which is dully noted; it will be forwarded to the appropriate official for reply. However, as you have chosen to address your concerns in a public forum, I have to advise you that the LGA Response Team have a duty to provide an Immediate Response Service in cases of extreme pubic concern. Your case has been assesssed as being of considerable impudence to the LGA and I am pleased to inform you that a full reply to all your concerns will be forthcoming. Yours sincerely, LGA Response |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bernard Date: 29 Oct 06 - 06:05 PM You honestly didn't expect me (or anyone else) to fall for that one, did you?! ;0) LGA have my email address... and my correct name, too! Still, I suppose it's given someone a cheap laugh... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bunnahabhain Date: 29 Oct 06 - 06:30 PM The interesting typos are a giveaway as well. The civil sevice don't have a sense of humor on an instituitional level. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Paul Burke Date: 30 Oct 06 - 04:30 AM The single time idea isn't silly, and it's quite possible. But it would make sense for it to be based on the sun time somewhere about Penzance for the UK and Ireland, probably Spain and Portugal too. There's probably some international ban on having fractional timezones though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Jos Date: 30 Oct 06 - 04:33 AM I believe Nepal has a time zone that is 'fractional' from our point of view, though they may think it's us who are out of step. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bunnahabhain Date: 30 Oct 06 - 05:14 AM That sounds sensible Paul, until you remember about GMT, Greenwich mean time. By moving it to Penzance, the whole country gets a permenant case of PMT..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Oct 06 - 11:34 AM I think they should ditch the whole idea of clocks going back and forwards. When it was just clocks and watches it wasn't so bad, and but with mobile phones and computers and TVs and central heating it just gets silly. And what's the point? For example - children going to school in the dark? Why can't the school just change the time it starts when the mornings get darker? Or not, if parents are more worried about enabling their kids to play out a bit after tea. They might even prefer to move the school hours in teh opposite direction. This whole business was introduced as a temporary emergency thing during the First World War, probably as a way of distracting the attention of people from mounting casualty fugues. But, as with pubs having the government decide which restricted opening hours they should have, it just carried on, so that people got to think that it was how it had to be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: GUEST, Topsie Date: 30 Oct 06 - 11:48 AM If, instead of just telling us to change our clocks, the government oredered everybody to go to work or school an hour later and to stay there an hour later in the afternoon/evening, and then a few months later they ordered everyone to go to work or school an hour earlier and to leave an hour earlier, I reckon there'd be an outcry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Oct 06 - 12:00 PM Why should it be down to the government to make those kind of decisions? Why shouldn't it be the job of the schools or work places, and of the people who use these? The only responsibility of the government should be to require that there was proper consultation over these kind of things with parents and workers and their representatives. It's the kind of decision that should really be taken by PTAs and Works Councils. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Liz the Squeak Date: 30 Oct 06 - 12:17 PM Oh please.. it's hard enough keeping track of what holidays the little darlings are having, without changing the bloody times mid term.... For instance... most of the country went back to school today after half term. I still have Limpit at home til Wednesday. She'll break up for Christmas 2 days after her friend in Norfolk, but go back a day earlier. Add to that the going to school for 10.00am BST instead of 9.00am BST, then it all just goes bonkers. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Oct 06 - 12:33 PM Schooling from 10am till 3pm every day, with the normal 3 to 4 weeks holiday that all the rest of the world gets. That would solve the problem! Giok I'll get me gymn slip. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: MBSLynne Date: 30 Oct 06 - 03:42 PM Oh Giok!! The thought of you in a gym slip!!!! I'd better go and lie down in a darkened room. Love Lynne |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Liz the Squeak Date: 30 Oct 06 - 04:46 PM You can spot the non-parents or parents of no-longer-school-age children....... Hmmmmmmmmmm LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Geoff the Duck Date: 31 Oct 06 - 10:19 AM Personally I am TOTALLY in favour of the proposal to have British Summer Time through the winter (YES I know that sounds as if I am taking the rise, But I'm not). I do believe that there are more accidents caused by people trying to drive in half-light conditions, when pedestrians and unlit cars are more difficult to see. If it is properly dark on a morning, people turn on their headlights, and they can be seen and avoided. As for children and going to school. In the 1970's children were by and large unaccompanied when going to school. Since then there are two major new factors. One is that we are so concerned for their safey in the light of abductions and dodgy characters that we do not dare to let them go unattended. The other is the fact that parents who also work seldom have an option other than to drop them off by car. Other thoughts... In Winter one of the greatest causes of flat car batteries is starting out to work in darkness, but arriving just after daylight has set in. That is the time when you park up and don't realise your lights are on and then at home time return to a dead car. Turn the clocks so that it is dark until after the main population is in work and we might have transport which will get us home in time to enjoy any remaining daylight. I once worked in a job as a motorcycle patrol around public parks in Bradford. For most of the year the hours of the job were counted backwards from dusk (i.e. we finished at sundown). That was the most depressing job I have ever done as there was NEVER any day/daylight left at the finish of a working day. One of the reasons we get depressed during Winter is because there is no day left to enjoy by the time we finally finish work. I personally couldn't care less what it's like outside whilst I am working. I would like to have the nice time when I can enjoy it. More asides... In Summer I get woken at dreadful times such as 4 AM just because it is daylight and the birds won't shut up. I would rather have my summer evenings going on later so that I can enjoy them. It is lovely to sit outside a pub until closing time and still be in sunshine. Currently we can perhaps manage this for during a couple of weeks near Midsummer. Wouldn't it be nice to extend the opportunity? One Summer I worked for the Parks Department, planting flower beds, weeding them and such jobs. We started at 7 AM when the rest of the council started at 9 AM. I could never understand why. There wasn't a task done during the whole of the day which could not have been done two hours later than the time we did them. Must go to collect children from school. I'll finish my rant later. Quack! Geoff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Geoff the Duck Date: 31 Oct 06 - 10:42 AM As I understand it, the reason why we needed daylight early in the day was for agricultural workers. In particular it was so that herds of cows could be milked early and the milk delivered fresh in time for other people to have milk before they started their working day. Nowadays milk takes about 6 days from farm, via paseurisation plant, to doorstep or supermarket. There is no longer any reason for early daylight in winter. Quack! GtD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Oct 06 - 03:52 PM Cows don't have watches. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: GUEST,Lady P wot still hasn't reset her cookies... Date: 31 Oct 06 - 04:02 PM Indeed daylight savings time was only actually introduced at all for agricultural workers during the war (can't remember which one though). As it stands, we get a slight difference in day light for about 2 weeks before the advantage is lost altogether. Same as we come out the other side in March. So for a slight difference for about 4 weeks a year, is it really worth it at all? Why not just teach the little darlings to cross the road properly, get some reflective strips and enforce speeding restrictions. Mucking about with the clocks is just window dressing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Rasener Date: 31 Oct 06 - 04:13 PM I lived in Holland for many years and thought it was brilliant to have daylight until 11pm Cant remember it causing any problems over there. Incidentally I am parent with an 11 and 15 year old. I think we moan too much in this country |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:02 PM over in Western Australia they don't have daylight saving, the reason or one of the reasons is that it wolud fade their curtains and the cows wouldn't be able to give milk. I mean what a load of Crap! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:22 PM I can't see how they can justify using a daft term like "Daylight Saving". How is any day light saved by moving the clocks around? Anything we get at one end of the day we lose at the other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Geoff the Duck Date: 02 Nov 06 - 09:01 AM Be nice if they saved it up in Summer and then gave us it back in the dark days. Quack! GtD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bunnahabhain Date: 02 Nov 06 - 11:02 AM Don't be silly geoff, that's totally inpractible. On the other hand, by simply straigtening the earth up, rather than having it at its current messy angle, we all get 12 hour days. Much easier! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Geoff the Duck Date: 02 Nov 06 - 11:56 AM And THAT, of course is a completely reasonable task then? I expect it could be done if all the Chinese jumped at the same time, or something? Quack! GtD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bunnahabhain Date: 02 Nov 06 - 12:33 PM It will just take a very big bang in the middle east somewhere, but that could never happen.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bernard Date: 02 Nov 06 - 05:53 PM It would be easier to set up a system of mirrors in space to reflect sunlight to give everyone their own particular preferences for day/night times. I'll nip out to B&Q in the morning and see what they've got... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: GUEST, Topsie Date: 03 Nov 06 - 04:09 AM Even within a single household there could be conflicts over how much light was wanted, and when. What's the betting that the person who had control of the mirrors would be the same person who monopolises the remote control for the telly? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Paul Burke Date: 03 Nov 06 - 06:07 AM The only true light is the Light Within. It shines out in my case too, but I won't tell you where from. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: GUEST,Dazbo Date: 03 Nov 06 - 06:13 AM So if the clocks stay 1 hour further ahead in winter it'll be darker when the little dears go to school (in the rush hour) and lighter when they go home when there's less traffic about. Yeah, that makes sense! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Mo the caller Date: 03 Nov 06 - 06:52 AM All this messing with the clocks has reminded the weather man that it's supposed to be winter. Nearly noon and the frost still on the grass near the house. I blame the government. At least last time we experimented with this it was to do away with the confusion of the changeover. And the farmers, who complained about having to get the cows used to the change then complained about having to milk in the dark. People seem better at noticing the diadvantages of what they have than realising the snags of anything else. But if we all set our clocks/worktimes/schoolday/time the milktanker called/etc. to suit ourselves how would it all co-ordinate. We'd be back to the days when the Townhall Clock set the time for a whole community, before the coming of the railways and a need for standardised 'railway time' throughout the country. On the other hand working hours are becoming more flexible, maybe it would work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Geoff the Duck Date: 03 Nov 06 - 06:53 AM Topsie - in personal experience, the one with the TV remote is usually the one ho couldn't be bothered to open the curtains, so they wouldn't know if the sun is shining or not. Dazbo - going to school in the dark means that cars will have their headlights turned on and therefore can be seen. The dangerous time is the half-light where they don't bother and so can be nearly invisible. Quack! GtD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: GUEST,Dazbo Date: 03 Nov 06 - 08:18 AM GtD - so the problem is the drivers not using their headlights? Anyway from what I see around here is the kids are busy bunking off school or are in the cars not using headlights being driven to school. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: GUEST,HughM Date: 03 Nov 06 - 03:20 PM GtD: How can it possibly be more difficult to see pedestrians in half-light than in no light at all? And as for working parents having to take their children to school by car, that's something I would have found impossible once they were at secondary school - it was in the opposite direction to my work. In any case I have to set off for work before the children set off or else the roads are too congested. My wife remembers being issued with reflective armbands when permanent British Summer Time was tried. I remember having to cycle to school in the dark, and I can't for the life of me see how this improved my safety. I certainly wouldn't have wanted my children to have to go out by themselves in the dark from the age of 11. If Britain were to go onto Central European Time (I think this is what these people propose) I would have to set off to work in the dark for more than six months of the year. (Anyone who thinks I'm unique should look at the M62 near Brighouse at 7:30 in the morning.) If that is going to improve my safety I'm a monkey's uncle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bunnahabhain Date: 03 Nov 06 - 03:56 PM The point, which has been mis-understood by various people is that if it is fully dark, many drivers tend to be that bit more careful, look a bit more, and remember to turn their lights on. When it's half light, lots of people just assume it's the same as full light, and don't take any extra care. Personally, I think it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. We could do with less idiots on the road either way though |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bernard Date: 03 Nov 06 - 03:59 PM Round here, most young children walk to school. Okay, maybe accompanied by an adult or older sibling, but they aren't cocooned in a car. On a purely selfish note, I'd be glad if the clocks weren't messed with, because I'm a diabetic, and the change in mealtimes is difficult to cope with for a week or two. It doesn't matter what people do, there will always be those who don't like it. As Bill Cosby once said, "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everyone." |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Geoff the Duck Date: 03 Nov 06 - 07:23 PM HughM - I know the weather across the Pennines alters as you head East, but as a Bradfordian, I know the fog line at Wibsey and the show line just below Queensbury. I have experienced the temperature differential between snow laden Bradford in Winter and rainy Leeds. What I do not recall is 6 months of darkness at 7 A.M. Anyway, what are schoolkids doing on the M62? It's definitely banned. Quack! GtD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Geoff the Duck Date: 03 Nov 06 - 07:27 PM That should have read SNOW LINE |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: GUEST,a pheasant plucker Date: 04 Nov 06 - 07:20 PM Daylight Robbery For Bernard Did you ever hear in Lancashire of Ashton-Under-Lyne, When the Council implemented Single Double Summer Time? The clocks went back like spring-heeled Jack as the Mayor began to speak, By the time he'd finished speaking it was the middle of last week. Down our way, I'm sad to say, the sun has never shone, And the lamp outside our front door is permanently on; It's freezing hard inside our yard all the seasons of the year, So if there's any daylight to be saved we'd like to have some here. Farmer Brown went to milk his cows in the middle of the night, He milked them all twice over then he got an awful fright; He gave a pull on his prize bull - the 'milk' flowed in a stream, He sold it to the Co-op as a pint of double cream. Old Mister Owen was well known to be a careful man, He kept his Daylight Savings in a conny-onny can; By oversight one fateful night he poured it on some tarts, Now he lights up all of Manchester every time he farts. The lads all swore they'd stand no more to play football in pitch black, So they crossed the moors one evening to bring some sunshine back, When the sun had set they used the net to fetch it to our park, Now the sun it shines in Ashton while Yorkshire's in the dark. They're all big fools that make the rules and you can only laugh, When the man who winds the town hall clock is on time and a half; One ha'pence of common sense would soon stop all their craft - 'Cos if you live by Double Summer Time you'll soon go double daft. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Nov 06 - 07:34 PM It just seems a pointless exercise changing what the clocks say, rather just leaving them alone and changing the times at which we do things, when necessary, to suit our own convenience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: GUEST, Topsie Date: 05 Nov 06 - 05:47 AM I agree with McGrath. Why limit the change to an hour either way? If we were allowed to make our own arrangements we could be much more flexible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: GUEST,HughM Date: 06 Nov 06 - 08:10 AM To re-phrase what I wrote previously, with Britain on Central European Time, during the summer the clocks would show 7 a.m. when it was really only 5 a.m., so it would be dark at that time in early April and much of September. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: Bernard Date: 06 Nov 06 - 02:58 PM It's a bugger when our lives seem ruled by something as arbitrary as the time on a clock! It's really more down to getting everyone to do things at the same time... and for why? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Nov 06 - 04:16 PM during the summer the clocks would show 7 a.m. when it was really only 5 a.m So you'd get up when the clock said eight instead of when the clock said seven, or when it got light. Do it by the sun, like the human race always has throughout history and prehistory, until a few years ago when this daft innovation was imposed when nobody was looking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LGA (UK) Daylight Saving plans From: gnomad Date: 06 Nov 06 - 05:24 PM Good, do it with the sun, stop the twice-yearly mucking about gets my vote. Since it won't really matter what time zone is picked, can I put in a word for GMT, that way any sundials installed since GMT came in will still be useable. Those ageing boy scouts among us who can still remember how to find North using a watch and the sun will also benefit. Wonder if the Luddites are still recruiting these days. |
