BS: Should they top Saddam?

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 08:36 AM

And just how is that "national governemnt" doing these days, T???

And on who's accountin' do you define "droves"??? Related question: What are your sources???

I remember makin' the statement that 100,000 Iraqis had died and you, I believe, and others jumped down my throat and stated, rather matter-of-factly that I was some kinda heretic... Your side had the numbers at somethin' like 14,000... Now we learn that I was way off as an independent estimate by an organization with no particular axe to grind has the numbers as much as 650,000!!!

So when I hear folks talking about "droves" and usin' terms like "national governemnt", yeah, there's that same ol' cynicism in tthe folks who have been telling the story... Especially seein' that the story tellers haven't been able to muffle the entire story and that Iraq has, as I and others predicted, fallen into civil war...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:45 AM

Today's 'Independent' newspaper (UK) contains a typically grim article by the great journalist, and authority on the Middle East, Robert Fisk. He details (again - see his recent book, 'The Great War for Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East') how Britain and America supported Saddam until, presumably, he no longer served their purposes or got out of hand. To quote Fisk: "We ... sent thionyl chloride [a component of mustard gas] to Iraq in 1988 at a price of £26,000. Yes, I know [this, together with other chemicals] ... could be used to make ink and fabric dyes. But this was the same country - Britain - that would, eight years later, prohibit the sale of diphtheria vaccine to Iraqi children (sic) on the grounds it could be used for - you guessed it -"weapons of mass destruction". ".

So, although, in my opinion, Saddam richly deserves to be executed we should remind ourselves that his death will deflect our attention from the cynical, hypocritical machinations of the geopoliticians who themselves are also complicit in so much death and suffering.

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:47 AM

The people of Halabja would likely agree.

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:49 AM

Saddam's work.

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 11:23 AM

I'm sure there are lots of people in Iraq who would like to see Saddam hanging. Mind you a lot of the same people, especially among the Shi'ite majority would be even happier to see Bush and Blair sharing the gallows with him.

That's not the point. The time for all this should have been when the occupation was over and when there was a stable government in charge. The trial and the execution will do nothing to bring that day closer, quite the reverse. I predict it will turn out to be a serious mistake, like so many things that have been done over the last couple of years.

"And, given his history, it will not be easy to sell Saddam as a martyr." History does not bear this out. The execution will ensure that for many people the image of Saddam will be of him defying the court as it sentenced him to death, and this will be likely to overshadow the terrible crimes for which he was responsible. That is how these things work out.

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 11:42 AM

I think you are right, McG of H. It was foolish not to shoot him when he was first fount. "Oops! I coulda sworn he had a gun."

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: breezy
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 11:54 AM

Elba !

Bush may be open to critism and so might Blair but they never behaved as S H did.

He may have united Iraq but that was through brutal fear and intimidation of his subjects.

Hanging was and is barbaric and the western civilsed should object.

Final verdict must wait until all foreign troops withdraw and Iraq's destiny is in its own hands.

A final last minute stay on the trap door would be psychologically cruel or even opening the trap door and he only falls a short way but leaves him still supported on his feet, that'ld put the shits up him!

Sorry , must have seen too many films.

he should not be killed, murdered or executed.

To compare him as a figurehead in the same sentence as the Brish Royal family is preposterous and tantamount to treason , so off with the head of the thread contributor I say.

Got to go now to have me neck measured, for a shirt, who said 'Shroud'?

And Bush didnt even win the last election as far as many are concerned, so , what yer going to do about that guys?

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 12:53 PM

I certainly hope that despite the evident sentiment against any capital punishment, no Western group attempts to stop this planned execution.   That would be a serious mistake.

If Saddam has 30 days for appeals, so be it. But the West should not seek to interpose at this point.

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:10 PM

Saddam's court stance will override his crimes? That's stretching it. He's not likely to be seen as a John Brown.

But we'll see.

It certainly is too bad it was such a high-profile trial. I suspect this was Bush's doing--his regime wanted pictures of Saddam on the news as often as possible--to remind his (Bush's) own base of one of the precious few successes of the wretched Iraq war--and to give giant intellects opportunity to make absurd predictions of Saddam's return to power. As we've seen here on Mudcat.

As I've said before, I would have handed Saddam over to the Kurds--or aggrieved Shiites. I don't think they would have had a high-profile trial.

At any rate, this was the verdict of an Iraqi court--and not a kangaroo court--whether we agree or not.   If you believe that irregularities in the trial are such that Saddam should be found innocent, I disagree. If you accept the death penalty for anybody, you'd have to accept that Saddam would be a good candidate.   If you don't think Saddam has earned the death penalty, if anybody has, you need to do more research.

At this point it would behoove the West to stay out of the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: Old Guy
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:39 PM

I think he should be sewn into a sack with a dog, a rooster, a viper, and a monkey and thrown overboard, Roman style.

It was their highest form of punishment.

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:56 PM

Thank you, GUEST, Shimrod, for pointing out yet again something that I have have tried to get folks to accept and that is that Saddam was one of the US's "company men"... Donnie Rumsfeld, *****after the Kurs had been gased*****, went to Irag with a boat load of gifts, including a gold plated M-16, to give Saddam for being such a team player...

This is something that the Bushites here gloss over but they ahve become very good at glossin' over stuff because the ****friggin' truth**** is in conflict with their hero's woof-woof-woofin'... Normal... Bushites have only one goal and that is to keep their party in power so that it can rip off the working class so they will gloss over anything that might stop the theft...

But, yeah... Had I been president, I jsut would have loaded up another boat full of goodies and sent Colin Powell over to present them to Saddam an' ahve Calin take Saddam aside and say, "Hey, ol' buddy, remember the "end around" we palyed on Iran??? We might need you to do it again. And, BTW, word on the streets is that you are killin' too many of yer own folks so cabn ya' kinda chill out..."

Yeah, that would have saved 650,000 Iraqis from being killed by the neo-cons and another 3000 plus Americans... Not to mention bankrupting the US financing a war while giving big tax breaks to the filthy rich...

But no... The neo-cons had to have their war... Now they have it where are the 2 architects of it??? In hiding... Well, not really... One of them, Richard Pearle, has just surfaced and is trying to do an "end around" of his own in blaming Bush for the quagmire that he himself was is responsible for...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: Old Guy
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 08:52 PM

Bobert, You never had it so good. You just feel guilty.

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 09:17 PM

Bite me, Oldster...

awww, jus' funnin'...

Subject: RE: BS: Should they top Saddam?
From: DougR
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 11:41 PM

Bobert: "The current government in Iraw is not the legal government." Really? Then what government is?

DougR