BS: rumsfeld - war criminal

Subject: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Lox
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:26 PM

The link I am about to give you gives the background, but it looks like the issue has been resurrected now that he no longer has immunity.

The fugitive starring Donald rumsfeld.

old link to background (2005)

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:34 PM

I believe that I read that the whole thing was dropped.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Lox
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:37 PM

The new suit includes more evidence including guantanamo bay torture.

It shows Rumsfeld as having a direct role in the torture and abuse of prisoners.

In one document where it was reported that a prisoner had been made to stand for 4 hours as a way of weakening him, he commented in his own written hand that he stood for a good 8 hours a day so the prisoner should have been made to stand for at least that amount of time, or words to that effect.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Lox
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:40 PM

Was on BBC newsnight tonight as being rekindled by german human rights lawyers.

No mention of individual Iraqi's making complaints, more a general war crimes indictment.

I'm just waiting for it to come up on the BBC's website.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Lox
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:46 PM

here we go

click here

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: dianavan
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:52 PM

Good! He should be tried for war crimes. Maybe after he's convicted, they can go after Bush and Cheney - they will be out of office by then.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Lox
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:56 PM

holy shit

While we're on the subject

By sheer coincidence (no joke) I stumbled across this
in the last 2 minutes

click here

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Peace
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:23 PM

How sweet it is!

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:31 PM

I've known that about asparteme for years, but not about Rumsfeld. Why does it not surprise me?

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:34 PM

"now that he no longer has immunity" - any immunity that he has or had is purely a matter of power politics. Properly speaking any supposed "immunity" has never had any standing in courts outside the USA.

The same goes for any other people (with the exception of a currently reigning head of state) involved in war crimes and human rights abuses, who might be under the impression that recent legislation in the USA gives them some kind of immunity from prosecution outside the confines of the USA.

But of course power politics do come into it, and courts and judges are liable to cosy up with the people in power - so I think there's no need to worry when visiting, for example, the UK. But there are some other countries torturers and suchlike had be best advised to avoid. I'd hope Germany might be one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Peace
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:41 PM

Maybe the US could trade Rumsfeld for bin Laden.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:54 PM

Aspartame? THAT bad?...geeze.
Even cyclamates didn't get that much bad press! (and the entire ban on them is being reconsidered)

I LIKE my coffee with some sweetness, and I thought I was clever to avoid sugar....now what? *grump*

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Peace
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:01 PM

How about trade Rumsfeld for Saddam Hussein?

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: jeffp
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:04 PM

If they reverse the ban on cyclamate, we may see the return of Fizzies. Bill, there's always saccharin (Sweet 'n Low).

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: number 6
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:12 PM

Maybe Rumsfeld can be traded for some Fizzies?

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:39 PM

Why go after Rumsey when Cheney was the one givin' the orders??? Yeah, okay, "I was just following orders" ain't much defense but let's get real here...

The folks who oughtta be brought up on war criminal charges, in order of participation are:

Paul Wolfowitz
Richard Pearle
Dick Cheney
George W. Bush "The Stupid"
Condi Rice
Okay, Donald Duck Rumsfeld
Colin "Uncle Tom" Powell

Yeah, that's the way I see it...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 09:00 PM

Bill D, use Splenda. Look it up.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Amos
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 09:14 PM

A little plain cane sugar won't hurt you, Bill. Nor will honey.

A

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 06 - 09:10 AM

Splenda (sucralose) tastes much better than aspartame too.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 15 Nov 06 - 04:00 PM

Sorry folks

That was my fault

2 conversations happening concurrently

Oh well, you seeem to be handling it alright

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Barry Finn
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 01:22 AM

It'd be ironic to see him illegally transported by a midnight military flight to Germany via Syria.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 04:26 AM

Perfect! Deport him to Syria and see if they can make him sing.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 04:40 AM

yes and the Blair Government

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Paul Burke
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 04:50 AM

Sorry to be serious dianavan but torture is wrong whoever it's done by- and whoever it's done TO. Even Rummy, even OBL, even Cliff Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 10:17 AM

There's a huge backlog of U.S. war criminals need prosecution- they could start with Henry Kissinger & work up to the present.....

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Peace
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 11:23 AM

GSG9 should do a remake of "The House on Garibaldi Street."

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 08:39 PM

Agreed, Greg. Kissinger is the prince of death. I'm sure he has been right behind Bush, Rummy, Wolfy and Cheney as a highly paid consultant. I hope they are all tried for war crimes. As long as they are allowed to get away with war crimes, war crimes will continue.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Barry Finn
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 03:06 AM

& the newly seclected Gates can fit right in for his Iran-Contra
ass-ins.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 09:59 AM

There's still a miniscule hope that the Dems- if they can get over their "Gutless Wonder Party" performance of the last dozen years- will block Gates- as they should.

But I'm not putting money on it.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Barry Finn
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 05:03 PM

In all likelyhood Gates will make Rummy look like a gental giant the Democrates will pay dearly if he's installed. It'll be a case of going 3 steps forward & wham 2 miles & 6 six years in reverse.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: Adrianel
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 09:35 PM

I understand that Gates was the Reagan administration's designated supporter of Saddam in the 1980s. I don't know if he was involved in the CIA "assistance" of their chemical weapons program, though.

Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 02:21 AM

The Dems will have to block Gates.

If they don't, kiss your privacy good-bye.

He is the Republican answer to changing the name of the war and the epitome of big brother.