BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked

Subject: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: GUEST,MM
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 08:35 PM

Hoyer wins. Big time. As in 149-86.

Ironically, Dennis Kucinich had also back the Pelosi/Murtha ticket.

She did speak quite well out of both sides her mouth about the "anti-corruption" thing by backing John "Abscam" Murtha, the king of Pennsylvania pork.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Peace
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 08:40 PM

Sometimes there just ain't no point talkin' morals in a whore house.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 08:41 PM

Why are you all concerned with her ass?

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 08:43 PM

I don't think this has anything to do with morals. Has to do with political pragmatism.

Some say Pelosi has the best of both worlds now. She can say she backed an immediate withdrawal hawk, while kissing and making up with her former deputy/current rival "moderate" who is for phased withdrawal.

There is one thing & one thing only the next Congress will focus on, and that is the war in Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Peace
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 08:47 PM

Not so. The new Congress will have to look at taxation, old-age security and health care. Ther are getting a 7 trillion dollar debt, and certainly they will have to look at that too. The Iraq War will have to be addressed, but to say "the one and only thing the next Congress will focus on" is the War is shortsighted and misinformed.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 09:05 PM

Nah, what Pelosi did was show that she is loyal to a co-member of the House who has been supportive of the her... She knew perfectly well that Murtra wasn't goin' to prevail but got this little bit of politis outta the way...

Very shrewd...

Plue, in the loose, she disarmed alot of Repubs who were out to show her up...

Very shrewd, Part B...

Now she has been ***humbeled*** and therefore more human...

Very shrewd, Part C...

Don't mess with this broad.... She'll take yer lunch money every time...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: DougR
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 09:18 PM

Pelosi should have not have backed either candidate. Very poor judgement on her part I think. The new freshmen class of Democrats are a bit more conservative than Pelosi and folks who think like her ever imagined IMO.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 09:28 PM

Methinks Bobert has right take on it. We'll see.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: number 6
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 09:41 PM

Bobert speaks for me also.

But is there any hope for the U.S. political system.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 09:42 PM

She got her "ass kicked"? Good heavens! What sort of barbarians are you Americans? We don't allow violence like that to occur in our parliament, specially not against women. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 09:43 PM

DougR-

I'll forward your advice to Pelosi right away. I'm sure she can benefit from your years of wisdom.

Of course you couldn't possibily be as ancient as me!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 09:49 PM

Nothing will happen until Iraq is safely off the front burner. Pelosi HAS to accomplish a withdrawal, or at least the beginning phases of a genuine one, within her first 100 days, or the Dems are screwed for 2008.

She should have followed Harry's lead. I think she gambled and lost.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Old Guy
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 10:27 PM

Speakin' of Pork, Trent Lott is sponsoring a $700 million dollar piece of pork to relaocate a railroad line destroyed by Katrina because to serve casinos. The Casinos will probably take in $700 million a week. Let them pay for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 11:33 PM

"new freshman class of Democrats" more conservative than Pelosi--very unlikely to have had much to do with the outcome of the Murtha-Hoyer contest.

Much more likely--Murtha's less-than-squeaky clean history---at a time the Democrats want to make it clear corruption will be, under them, a thing of the past.

And it's too bad--in a lot of areas Murtha made a lot of sense--and he had promised to support the anti-corruption drive to the hilt.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 06 - 11:52 PM

"Pelosi should have not have backed either candidate. Very poor judgement on her part I think. The new freshmen class of Democrats are a bit more conservative than Pelosi and folks who think like her ever imagined IMO."

Since when would Doug R ever think a Democrat had good judgement? He'll take any opportunity to run down the party, no matter how corrupt and self-serving the Republicans are. Nothing new here, and I predict several years of sour grapes.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 09:21 AM

Ah, geeze, SRS, DougR's really just a big pussy cat. I'm sure he really cares and wishes the Democrats would clean up the ungodly mess the Bush Administration has created in the last 6 years. Let's cut him enough slack so he can hang himself!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Amos
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 09:48 AM

I'm sure he really cares and wishes the Democrats would clean up the ungodly mess the Bush Administration has created in the last 6 years

As they say in AA, the first step in solving the problem is recognizing there is a problem. A review of Mister R's posts will not reveal the cognitive milestone having occurred.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 09:54 AM

Let's cut him enough slack so he can hang himself!

Redundant. He was hanged years since.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 09:58 AM

I bet we don't hear a peep out of Mr. R regarding the Republican tussle over positions today. That will, of course, all be sound political maneuvering.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Peace
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 11:04 AM

Hey Doug. You were right. The sky fell (with a big BOOM).

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 10:45 PM

Oh. I thought it said she got her ass licked. And given the recent state of politics...

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: 282RA
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 12:09 AM

Translation:

"I'm still infuriated that my lord and master's party got thrashed in the election when Rove is supposed to be an infallible genius. But I'm not the real loser. Pelosi is! HAHAHAHA!"

Last time I looked she is still House Speaker. Get over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 12:44 AM

Cruelty to donkeys, surely this is an issue for some animal welfare group?

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 01:31 AM

DougR wants to be a winner so he is slowly shifting his support to the 'freshman class of Democrats' or at least using them to justify his conservative dogma while trying to dis Pelosi.


7 trillion dollar debt?

A war in Iraq?

Let her do her job.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Hrothgar
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 03:17 AM

A male chauvinist pig is somebody who thinks "haraaa" is two words.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: kendall
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 07:56 AM

The only thing I know about Murtha is the video tape from 20 odd years ago, in which he refused a $50,000 bribe. What else has he done?

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 08:12 AM

Well, Capt'n, just fir starters, Murtha stepped up to the plate and really got the anti-war ball rollin' for the Dems in this election cycle... Which very well may have been the main issue to get Rove and Co. defeated...

But you know that...

No, I think what we have going here is more than a little of Karl Rove's PR machine gettin' into "slander" gear and bashin' the Dems... And it's workin' to some degree 'catse the press is makin' a mountain out of a mole hill with Pelosi's backing of Murtha... hey, did anyone ever expect that politics would simply die with the Dems gettin' control of Congress???

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 11:41 AM

What I want to know is, has anyone been arrested yet for kicking this woman? Shocking, just shocking.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 02:44 PM

I too find the Pelosi ass kicking language very offensive.

Right wing shock jocks actually prefer "clit snipping" to ass kicking when describing a defeated plan by the new FEMALE house leader.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 03:36 PM

As I understand it, Murtha was accused of corruption some twenty-five years ago, but it was never proven and he was never convicted of anything. Of course, in politics, merely to be accused is to be condemned for the rest of your life.

Heard on the radio today:   "Papa Bush gave Georgie the presidency to play with.   And he broke it."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 04:03 PM

Too bad Murtha can't use the expression, "Fuck off!"

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 04:50 PM

Women have asses that deserve kicking as often as men. The reference is to the newly crowned speaker, not the gender of the newly crowned speaker, which is irrelevant to this discussion.

What is being discussed is the margin by which Pelosi's hand picked majority leader was defeated in the vote by the House Democrats when they met this past week to vote on new leadership.

Pelosi's boy lost by a wide margin, hence the use of the term "got her ass kicked". In this context, it means the speaker lost the election big time.

Bobert, you sure are trying to spin things like this to make it match the rose colored glasses you bought at Wal Mart, perhaps? Or have you been drinking too much of the Donkey Koolaid?

Nearly every Friday night, I watch the political talk show "Washington Week" on PBS. My interpretation of events surrounding Pelosi's ass kicking were no different than the majority opinion expressed by the mainstream media pundits on Friday night's show.

I really don't understand how you can interpret the loss of Murtha to some crafty, savvy political move on her part. The widespread conventional wisdom at this point was she overreached, and it may have weakened her right out of the gate with her caucus. She put too much emphasis on her loyalty to Murtha, at the expense of getting off to a winning start, with the wind of the election still at her back.

As I said above, I thought she would have appeared much more politically savvy & in control of her caucus had she played it like Reid is playing the jockeying for position in the Senate Dem leadership races. She should have kept her mouth shut, and been behind the scenes and low key. She shouldn't have publicly backed Murtha, because he had so little support.

Now, it not only looks like she doesn't know how to count the votes, it also looks like she may not be very good at swinging them the way she wants them to go.

Not the best start for a novice Speaker.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 04:52 PM

You clearly fail to understand my Canadian sense of humour, anonymous one... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 04:56 PM

I wasn't responding to your post Little Hawk. Methinks you think to highly of your sense of humor. %-0

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 06:42 PM

Also, the majority leader in the House is now her enemy. I fail to see how that is in any way "politically savvy". The majority leader is who gets the agenda pushed through that the Speaker sets.

Why set yourself for a Machiavellian nightmare right from the start?

Or has her ego grown so big, that she really thought she had much more power and influence than she actually has?

Details at 11:00.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 08:15 PM

Nah, GUEST, I haven't had any Donkey Coolaid in years... Too much sugar, you know...

But let's get real hear... Pelosi did what she had to do with Murtha... She owed it to him... He had helped her gain her position as minority leader and had thrown himself on a political grenade for the party with his anti-war position... He deserved and got her endorsement... What he didn't get was her "full bore" arm-twistin'...

She played it right... She probably knew that he was going to lose but she showed her loyalty... Only in the eyes of Rove and his PR folks, tv puppets included, did this in anyway hurt her... I mean, lets get real here... The elections are over and now it's gonna be a rough ride with Rove & Co. waiting to call attention to everything this woman does...

The new 'n improved Rove Plan for '08 is allready in high gear...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 11:21 PM

No one I've heard, seen, or read said Pelosi owed Murtha anything more than a private assurance she wouldn't stand in his way if he chose to run for majority leader. Everyone I've heard, seen, or read has said she could have offered him another spot, and had her cake and eaten it too.

bobert, you are the only person I've seen who keeps trying to put a positive spin on such an obvious miscalculation on Pelosi's part.

Why do you need so badly to keep believing she didn't trip up out of the starting gate?

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 12:07 AM

Bobert ain't puttin' no spin on nuttin... so's y'all are callin' the kettle black, ghoster. He's just got his ol' finger on the pulse o' reality, and Ah don't see 'im picken no bones hea... Ya see, some Dem-ocrats can be found ta be beholden ta decency an' such, and their loyalties... they don' aways come from top down like yer basic snowball effect... but more lak lookin people in the eye and bein' grateful fer service well done.

Pelosi is a gifted politician. She's level headed, sincere, and smart. Not such a bad combination of attributes for a speaker of the house to posess...

No matter what the spin miesters miff...
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 01:47 AM

You're so right, Guest. ;-) I think it's brilliant. I never cease to admire my wit and I go over and over my past posts to savour it, of course.

But I'm still not nearly as funny as either the Democrats or the Republicans, as they pretend to be public servants and protectors of democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: fumblefingers
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 02:05 AM

Murtha didn't just refuse the bribe outright. What he said was he'd like to do business for a while first. He got out of it because then speaker Tip O'Neil quashed the investigation.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 02:27 AM

Thanks for the smear, Little Hawk... you slithery duplicitous fame monger... ;^)

Seems democrats and republicans aren't the only pretenders around here... ARE THEY, LITTLE HAWK...

Maybe Murtha was just being polite, fumblefingers.

ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: John O'L
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 05:38 AM

Pelosi get her ass licked?

What, regularly? Like, you know, check the gas & oil, lick the ass, wipe the windscreen, or is it just for special occasions?

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 07:45 AM

Murtha's problem--'Caesar's wife' situation. (No, not far-fetched necrophilia).

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 07:56 AM

Pelosi is being rubbished by the Republicans, because they're scared of any woman succeeding, what they have their eye on is Hillary, that's who they're really scared of.
GF.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 08:08 AM

Pelosi is being rubbished by the Bushites--since that's the way politics works.   Fear of a woman has nothing to do with it. Hilary has big negatives---and not just among Republicans. She's seen as even more as an opportunist than a lot of politicians---and that's saying a lot. Pelosi stands up for what she believes--and when you do that, you're a target.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 09:09 AM

Well, yeah, Ron...

We've sho nuff seen Karl "One-Trick-Pony" Rove's repitiore and this one come right there in chapter 1...

What I find interetsing is the the press continues to bite on these news-less stories as if they were real??? I blame them more than Rove 'cause we all know what Rove is about...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 12:27 PM

Bobert and Ron, perhaps you haven't heard/seen/read that Democrats are actually the ones saying Pelosi blew it right at the start?

You know, some of those 149 of them who DIDN'T vote for her boy, and against her first act as Madam Speaker?

Come ON you guys. What is so crafty about losing your first vote, and being left with your political enemy as your #2 man, and him knowing you went against him?

That ain't exactly a match made in heaven.

Remember Hastert/Delay? We could be seeing a similar situation here, where the majority leader actually has more power than the Speaker. Only time will tell, of course. But it is a distinct possibility that she shot herself in the foot, and could go into her first session of Congress as Speaker, with a limp.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: pdq
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 12:31 PM

If so, they will even blame the limp on Republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 12:49 PM

Ahhhhhh, which Dems, GUEST??? Please list the Dem Representatives who have said that Nancy Pelosi got her "ass kicked"...

And to save you a further step, then be prepared to list, or at the very least give us a number of Dem reps who haven't...

This oughtta be very interesting...

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi gets her ass kicked
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 01:26 PM

Guest


Get a name or a handle. It is not reasonable to expect intelligent people to debate with somebody who insists on being totally anonymous---since anybody who does not take a name or handle is ipso facto Guest--and therefore more than one person, on the same thread, can be called just Guest--and discussion then becomes impossible.

This has happened before

I don't care whether you do this--which is a totally reasonable requirement--or not.

But if you don't-and stick to your handle--I, for one,, will not waste my time trying to figure out which Guest I am supposedly talking to. And I hope others will also refuse to play your game.

But if you don't, you have made yourself, in the best Stalinist tradition, an unperson.