BS: does your zodiac suit you?

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 10:06 PM

FYI. An introduction to it.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: kendall
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 10:02 PM

I have no faith in astrology, but the Enneagram is not a parlor trick. You tell them nothing. What you do is go through the basic personality types and I guarantee you will find your own personality. Now, until you have done this, you can't know what you are talking about.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Slag
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 04:38 PM

Astrology, the manager of Astronomy! Aster = Star(s) and logos = word or the study thereof. Nomy = names or naming. It seems to me they got it backwards. Astrology is the study of the Stars and Astronomy is the naming or even perhaps the Law of the stars (nomos = law).

Geeh Mooh. I don't know what one of "THOSE" Christians are that I should be worried. Maybe I'm one!

Well, I am a Christian, the kind that believes the Bible ( where else are you gonna find out about Christ?). I am also an amature astronomer, among other things and I give no credence to astrology.

HOWEVER! I am absolutely pegged by my horoscope! I am about the most typical Sun sign Taurus, birth sign Aries (and dominated by Venus) that you will ever meet. I would almost chalk it all up to probability except there in the ancient Book of Job it does mention the "Bands of Orion" and the "Sweet influence of the Pliades (the Seven Sisters [or 'Subaru' in Japanese]). It also claims the God is the one who hangs the Earth upon nothing! That's pretty advanced for it's day! And what exactly were the Magi following? They had seen His star in the East!

nonetheless, lots of fun and food for thought!

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Firecat
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 03:57 PM

Accurate bits in bold...

The outgoing, positive polarity of Capricorn is applied on a practical basis to his or her everyday life. The negativity of this sign gives the children of Capricorn the ability to withdraw from a situation and wait for the right opportunity to further their ambitions. One type of this sign is like the sure footed mountain goat, that is forever climbing and attaining greater heights. The other type is the domesticated goat that is kept on a lead and is forever striving to do something but can never quite make it. Positive Capricorns are reliable and along with other good attributes, they have a dry but good sense of humor.

Their positive traits are being practical, ambitious, prudent efficient, persistent andpatient. They are ruled by the concentrated energy of Saturn. They can be very cold and distant, pessimistic, almost intolerably conventional. Time is always of the utmost importance to them due to Saturns influence. They are slow to develop, requiring more time than othersbut at middle age they seem to reach a point where it seems they will never age; not changing for decades. The worst problem that Capricorn seems to have is psychological in nature.

Their wavering self confidence can greatly disturb them as one minute they could rule a nation and the next, self doubt sets in and they feel inadequate for the most minor jobs; they are comfortable in some spheres of activity and not so in others. They may feel sure they can manage and cope with their job but have not the confidence to think they can establish and maintain a personal relationship. This is a direct cause of not being able to see themselves as clearly as others see them so they underestimate their own abilities. They should accept compliments from others and learn to believe them.

Problems may cause some digestive difficulties which can lead to ulcers or skin disorders. Setting a stress alleviating regimen will go far to preventing these disorders and make you more efficient in your endeavors, thus building your own self image up to where it should be. You can be too easily depressed, even by minor setbacks and annoyances. You should get more exercise to reduce the tension as well as making music a part of your life, either playing or listening. Use your inherent rational qualities and make room in your life for the spiritual as well as the material.


Riiiiight!

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 09:08 PM

Good point about the chimp and the dachshund, Cluin. ;-) That might make a difference allright.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Anne Lister
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 07:47 PM

I suspect this is always a discussion with an angle, depending on prejudices held. If you really don't want to believe that astrology can be accurate you're most unlikely to spend the money on getting a proper chart drawn up by anyone who knows what they're doing, so you're very unlikely to read anything that convinces you. I have been persuaded that there's some truth in it by the two proper charts that I have had in the past (the first of which was done as a favour, but done well) which have both pointed up features of my childhood and thought patterns which wouldn't be applicable to many people but very true for me. I've also read other people's charts which wouldn't have suited me at all. I've just had a go with the Enneagram and was totally frustrated by the choices within the questions - it was mildly accurate for me (a 7) but very off for my husband.
But to each their own - whatever works for you, works for you and I'm certainly not going to attempt to convert anyone!

Anne

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: bobad
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 07:30 PM

"Both of them rodents"

FYI rats belong to the order Rodentia, rabbits to the order Lagomorpha, rabbits are not rodents (and they are tastier too).

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Gizmo
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 07:21 PM

as for the free enneagram, I tried it and the answer was that I am a number 3, 5, and 7 personality simutaneously, and recommended I buy the full version for a more indepth analysis.

Chinese astrology wise I am a goat, my son is a rat and my daughter is a rabbit - by jove she can bunny! Both of them rodents. And my son and his friends at school have little rat packs.

All three of my uncles are dogs.

There was a time, I had a page for someone elses astro chart sent to me by mistake, as I was reading through the personality, it wasn't making any sense about me at all, on closer inspection it was for someone who is an aquarius. Apart from liking to socialise (a feature of most air signs i.e. aquarius, gemini and libra) none of the other traits described me at all.

Also, by the same reputable astrologer, my friend had incredibly personal traits and occurances which happened in her childhood which came up in her chart analysis, mine was very much true to my childhood, yet had we swapped our papers it would have meant nothing to each other.

By the way - were the students adults, or teenagers, as this can depend on the results you get back, as well as the astrologer who sets these descriptions out. There are many people out there who do not know what they are writing/ interpreting, and in all senses of the word, pulling a fast one, but equally there are those who know their stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:41 PM

I didn't do it. (not a clone) Just pointing it out.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Alice
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:40 PM

Thanks, Cluin.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:37 PM

Your link has been fixed, Alice. It used to lead to a "not found" page.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Scoville
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:16 PM

Ha ha!--astrology has reached the level of [dis]respect accorded pseudosciences?? I had no idea! I was thinking more along the lines of "novelty". Like the first Blogthings.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:07 PM

*shrug*

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Alice
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:06 PM

tsk, tsk

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:04 PM

"Slippery When Wet"?

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Alice
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 11:59 AM

Terrier, That's funny! ;-)
Can anyone guess my rising sign?

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: terrier
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 11:55 AM

Maybee we could work out catters birth sign by the content of their posts? But then it's probably me just being a bloody Scorpio! :=)

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 11:19 AM

From that great fount of esoteric wisdom, "The Simpsons":

   Pepe: Tell me more! I want to know all the constellations.

   Homer: Well, there's... Jerry the Cowboy. And that big dipper-looking thing is Alan... the Cowboy.

   Pepe: Oh, Papa Homer, you are so learnéd.

   Homer: Heh heh heh.... Learn'd, son. It's pronounced learn'd.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Alice
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 11:09 AM

When I was at our local planetarium this summer, the star show had a great presentation on how different cultures in history have assigned completely opposite meanings to the varied pictures they see in the dot-to-dot star sky.... then neatest part was when they rotated to a different perspective in space instead of seeing the stars from earth. The stars are not on a flat plane, so of course if you are not looking from earth, the stars do not create dot to dot pictures the way we see them on earth.   People will cling to their beliefs, though, even when presented with the facts.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 11:00 AM

Yep. About the way I see it, too.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Alice
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 10:59 AM

Consider this - Astrology Fact Sheet

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 10:57 AM

"Well, Doctor, you are the one with the dirty pictures!"

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Becca72
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 10:57 AM

On the Chinese zodiak I'm a rat, as are my eldest sister and both her sons. 12 is a good number for me.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 10:35 AM

Astrobabble Rorshach tests.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 10:18 AM

several folks have said, approximately, "It seems pretty close"

but the point is, they are DESIGNED to "seem pretty close". If you accidently read the wrong page in the book, and give yourself the next chart, you will be able to find much stuff in the 'wrong' chart that 'seems pretty close'. Our minds work by identifying matching characteristics and abstracting from them. Almost everyone has some of the properties of each sign.....This is another way of saying "we see what we expect to see".

   The other psychological trait that supports this is that when people see many others nodding in agreement, and see many expensive book analyzing the field, they feel like there 'must' be something to it, and thus feel obligated to 'find' agreement, and look even harder to see matching descriptions. It is a perfectly natural thing to do, and in its way, much harder (and also, more fun!) than resisting.

   All this is why people would rather read the supporting arguments than sift thru tedious, boring tracts explaining why it CAN'T work, and which cite careful studies showing little or no connection.

As for Ennaeagrams....this seems like just a version of the Myers/Briggs personality inventory....which has a better chance of a relatively accurate description, becaue YOU tell THEM about yourself, and they categorize the results. Even then, it can only be an approximation, and can't 'predict' how an individual will perform or react in a given circumstance.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: TIA
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 10:17 AM

Recent actual experiment (being written up by a student as a science fair project):

Obtained the actual birth date, place and time for 35 students, grades 6 through 8.

Got detailed personality profiles from a source recommended by a true believer in astrology. For each student, got a "correct" one, and three others -- wrong date, wrong place, wrong gender (with all other data correct).

Each student was given their four profiles, and spent a week pondering them, showing them to friends and family, and deciding which was the "best fit".

Final score: out of 35 students, 7 picked the "correct" profile. Darn close to the 25% expected for random chance.

Best/most revealing student comment: as we discussed the results, one of the students said "I guess we just aren't very good at astrology" - implying that the astrology must be correct, they just weren't able to "read" it properly!

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 10:07 AM

Bad boy, kendall! BAD boy!

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: kendall
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 09:39 AM

On the Chinese zodiak I'm a dog.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 09:38 AM

I've got nothing rising at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: kendall
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 09:34 AM

Yes, that's it. Maybe a clone will correct the spelling.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 09:24 AM

I'm a Cancerian but usually I just get by the best I can.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 08:58 AM

I'm Leo with Sagittarius rising and the moon and four other planets in Leo. I've had my chart done and it comes pretty close, according to those who know me.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 02:53 AM

JohninKansas, a dearly loved friend of mine was a Taurus. Like you, he wasn't stubborn either. Just - well, you be the judge:

A few months before, he had met my brother in law and when I showed him some recent pictures I pointed out my brother in law to him. He raised an eyebrow, scanning the picture intently. Hmmm, he said. I'm not sure that IS Allen.

I said, He's been my brother in law for 37 years. Take my word for it: That is Allen.

Another time I ran into him on the street. He yelled at me to wait then strode over to me with a birthday card for me. I'm sorry to be late with this, he said, but I DID have it in my car.

I said, That is very sweet of you but actually my birthday is not until NEXT month.

He said, It's not October 28?

No, I said. It's November 28.

He said, uncomfortably, Are you sure?

:)

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:04 AM

Or a dachshund.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:02 AM

That's just because they don't have a chimp as a zodiac sign.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:00 AM

I don't care one way or the other about it, Scoville.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: GUEST,Scoville, checking in
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 11:27 PM

Crap--my Chinese zodiac is the snake and that seems to apply pretty well, too.

Rising sign is Taurus. Not really a surprise, either, although they're sort of similar to Cancer anyway. My college boyfriend was Taurus to a "T": Unbelievably stubborn but secretly cuddly, and capable of putting away enormous plates of pierogies at dinner.

My best friend is a Scorpio but seems to lack the potential stalker qualities. Whew.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 11:21 PM

Kendall recites the standard cliche about Taurians:

"I'm a Taurus but I'm not stubborn."

I've never met a Taurus whom I considered stubborn.

People fail to recognize that our principal characteristic is unlimited

                PATIENCE

while we wait for those of lesser abilities to figure out that we were right to begin with.

John

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 11:21 PM

Kendall, is THIS what you mean? They have two free sample tests available. Judging by the results of both, I am a Type 7. It does seem pretty accurate.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 10:45 PM

I signed on because I thought that the zodiac in question was an inflatible boat.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: number 6
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 10:34 PM

Kendall ... do you mean the Enneagram?

No, I'm not familiar but would like to know more about it.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 10:28 PM

I think you will find that the Enneagram is much closer to the truth. That is a book which was created by the Sufis. It's a study of different basic personality groups.This is not hukum, it is widely used by reputable psychologists.Is anyone else familiar with this?

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: number 6
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 09:46 PM

Oh ... yeah, thanks for that advice Peace.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 09:45 PM

Make sure the frames are square.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: number 6
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 09:38 PM

Holy f@ck!

I'm gonna go out and get bifocals tomorrow. Tinted ones at that.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 09:35 PM

WATCH OUT

biLL

or

I'll

FONT YOUR ASS

UP one side and

down the

OTHER

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: number 6
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 09:30 PM

Been into the Christmas swill a bit too much have ya Spaw?

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 08:28 PM

Thanks for sharing.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 08:27 PM

I'm a Testes with Penis rising. I read mine and it says, "You have monstrous titanium balls and your Johnson looks like a baby's arm with an apple in it's fist."

Pretty much right on the money!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 08:14 PM

All three of my sisters and I are Aries, but there are a lot of ways in which we are not alike, at all. Of course, as someone said, it goes much more into all of the other aspects at the time of one's birth. They were all in April, while mine is in March. We do share general characteristics such as being really good at starting things.

I believe it can be a tool in being aware of how things may be for us, but I do not use it to any extent, or bet my life on it.

kat