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Subject: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: mg Date: 14 Jan 07 - 01:10 AM It is a branch of my family..not sure I am spelling it right...they settled in Tacoma and I am putting them in a song..I am assuming Yugoslavia but have people heard the name and origins? mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: katlaughing Date: 14 Jan 07 - 07:39 AM Could this be the spelling: "Jurcievic?" Found at GenForum in the "Ju" section, but sorry, no postings, yet, for that name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: wysiwyg Date: 14 Jan 07 - 10:43 AM Jusenville? No, seriously, is "ovitch" one of those "man from" suffixes? Is "Jusen" a place name in some language for a region of a country? ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 07 - 10:46 AM Does 'ovitch mean 'son of', as in -son, Mac-, Ap- etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: wysiwyg Date: 14 Jan 07 - 10:56 AM Oh right, Russian? Ovitch, ova? Like "ski" for son and "skova" for daughter? ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: wysiwyg Date: 14 Jan 07 - 11:03 AM CHECK HERE for Jusenovic. Then there's Jasenovic death camp, which is to Serbs what Auschwitz is to Jews . ... Jasenovic), but because of the way they were killed: butchered with knives, ... www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/3235.html Played with the spelling at Google. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: wysiwyg Date: 14 Jan 07 - 11:11 AM Ivan Joseph Jasenovic (jasenovic.com) says I was Born in Montreal, Canada, May 21st 1963 at 1:am. I currently live in San Luis Obispo Co.Ca. and it is definitely my home. I am an independent computer consultant. My company Ivan Jasenovic and Associates-ACE, specializes in Computer Networking, Document Control, System Management and Database Intgration. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: mg Date: 14 Jan 07 - 10:04 PM This is very peculiar. I will look some more when I get home. But surely a whole family name can't be wiped out. It is pronounced yousinovich...I also tried with a Y. Any other spellings you can think of? I am wondering what happened to them. It sounds like it would be a fairly common type of name.....hope nothing awful happened to those in the old country, which of course it could have....but where are they here? Change their names to something? mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: wysiwyg Date: 14 Jan 07 - 10:13 PM ??? A family name CAN be wiped out of all the offspring are daughters and they take a married name. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: Jeri Date: 14 Jan 07 - 10:27 PM There's Jusenowitz, from Poland, I think. On a list of emmigrants (Ellis Island), one can find: Immigrated Born |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: GUEST, Topsie Date: 15 Jan 07 - 05:22 AM Many name spellings got changed when boat loads of European immigrants arrived in the US and the immigration officials guessed at the spelling when giving them their documents. |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: GUEST,mg Date: 15 Jan 07 - 05:04 PM Thanks everyone...but at least the most recent members of the family were here since the 1900s...my father's only known relatives although surely there must have been others... if people can keep trying other spellings I might not have thought of that would be great... Oh my DNA test came back today..I think I might be a Basque Near-Eastener...I'll post the sign in code soon so if anyone wants to see they can. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: GUEST,petr Date: 15 Jan 07 - 05:37 PM ski and the (sk)ova does not mean son or daughter. it is adjectival.. its more like OF. (or from) |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Jan 07 - 10:35 PM A not uncommon name which was often altered; the ending -vic is usually pronounced -vitch. Jeri also is correct, -witz is pronounced the same (pretty much) when altered into English, and Jus- seems to be Polish rather than more southerly. Also easy to have a Ja- changed to Ju-. And a Ja- to a Jas- and a -tz to a -vich Basque? Dunno what the original could have been. Josep(e or a) is Joseph, but I know nothing of that language (nothing like Spanish). |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: GUEST,petr Date: 16 Jan 07 - 02:04 PM its definitely slavic not basque. Although the vic ending is more common in Russian, Ukrainian, possibly Serbian or Croatian. I can say that it doesnt sound like a Czech name, the vic ending there is not very common. |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: Wolfgang Date: 16 Jan 07 - 02:18 PM witsch, vic, witz, vich, witch are all the same Tsarevich: son and successor of/to the Tsar. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: mg Date: 17 Jan 07 - 01:58 AM the basque is something different. That is my DNA through National Geographic genome project. The trail seems to end around there. Unrelated to my search for the Yusenovitch/Jusenovich? How many ways to spell this. Awful I have lost some of my only relatives. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Jan 07 - 06:23 AM vic/vitch/witz etc - Eastern European for Mac/Mc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: GUEST, Topsie Date: 17 Jan 07 - 08:07 AM The Basque DNA could have come from the female side, which usually doesn't continue the surname. Though there is also the fact that a surprisingly (to some) proportion of children were not in fact fathered by the men who think they are the fathers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: GUEST Date: 17 Jan 07 - 02:46 PM There should be immigration documents that show both the point of departure and the place of origin. Of course, the world was constituted differently then, so the place of origin may have slipped into obscurity. There is a community of Serbs and Croatians in the Seattle/Tacoma area, and that is name is a Slavic patronymic, so you've got a bit of a lead there--and, since immigrant communities tend to center around churches, there probably are church records relating to the family--Croatian uses Latin letters, and "vitch" is typically spelled "vic",so, offhand, you might start with the Serbian churches-- Depending on how hard you want to look-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: GUEST,mg Date: 17 Jan 07 - 03:04 PM Well, thank you all...I will keep looking. A Jusenovitch married my grandmother's sister, Devary (phonetic)...I have to do a better job with family history obviously. It was just all so very dismal...to hear them tell it no one in the history of my family ever had food or a job or warm clothes...there could have been some exaggeration in there.. Anyway, here is the verse that mentions them The boat can heave and roll and pitch That's joy for a Jusenovitch Live goes on without a hitch And the boats are in the harbor...mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: wysiwyg Date: 17 Jan 07 - 03:29 PM Sounds like if you go with your heart, you'll know the really important things about Jusenovitches that you need to know. Besides, if your song gets famous, and there are still Jusenovitches extant-- you WILL hear from them! :~) Just having posted the name here several times-- if one of them goes a-Googling, they will find this thread. Cool to contemplate, eh? ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: Les from Hull Date: 17 Jan 07 - 05:48 PM Yugoslavia only came into being in 1918. So it could be Serbia or one of the other countries in the area at the time which later became Yugoslavia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: mg Date: 17 Jan 07 - 11:10 PM here is the song..it has sort of a bouncy tune. Fishing comes and fishing goes Fishing's what this family knows Fishing boots and fishing clothes And boats out in the harbor Pretty girls in flannel shirts He never told us fishing hurts And money comes in drabs and spurts And boats out in the harbor He had no sons but had five daughters Who fish and fish these selfsame waters Each one treasures what he taught her And boats out in the harbor Dalmatian Coast to Steilacoom Bristol Bay and on to Nome So many ports that we call home And boats out in the harbor Early morning late at night We fish whenever fish will bite People think we're not too bright And boats out in the harbor The boat can heave and roll and pitch That's joy for a Jusenovitch Life goes on without a hitch And boats out in the harbor We'll fish until the fish are gone A father's love will carry on He'd be so proud of what we've done Our boat's out in the harbor |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: wysiwyg Date: 17 Jan 07 - 11:16 PM Excellent! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: Lepus Rex Date: 18 Jan 07 - 10:05 PM MG, I'm not quite clear on a few things: How, exactly, are you related to them? Is it just through the great aunt's marriage to a "Jusenovitch," or...? Were these the ones in Tacoma? And do you know any first names, or other personal info? Did your great-aunt and uncle have any kids? With an unusual name like that, in smaller city like Tacoma, it should be fairly easy to find out, with the right resources. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: mg Date: 19 Jan 07 - 08:34 PM Only through great-aunt's marriage. My father and Jusenovitch's were cousins. I actually met one in graduate school and we were related...I plan to go through my alumni association and see if I can find him...he would probably have been in Seattle..and was a coach or high school teacher of some kind. I am not positive it was Tacoma...they did move to Seattle some time after my grandfather died of Spanish flu and lived near Immaculate Conception Church in Cherry Hill (near Providence Hospital) in seattle, probably on about 19th ave or so..I ended up buying a house right nearby. I think my second cousin (is that what he was) had a sister if I remember correctly. I found the census records on my grandmother's family..Devery..her name was Ella as you said..her mother's name was Eliza..she was the one who emigrated from Ireland all by herself at the age of 7 or so during the potato famine..at least I think that is the one..the Taft family was involved..the ones with the famous political people...one was in love with her but I think she married a railroad worker. I can understand how a young girl made it here by herself..but how did she get to Iowa????? She must have gone into service right away as a maid..or maybe landed in an orphanage...gee..I wonder if any were on the orphan trains... Fascinating.. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: Rusty Dobro Date: 20 Jan 07 - 10:13 AM There's a lot of archive resources out there on the internet - UK government records show NO-ONE with that name or variation on the spelling has ever been recorded as landing in the UK or applying for any kind of residence. I know that's not relevant to your family enquiries, but it certainly shows it's a very rare name, so may have died out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: wysiwyg Date: 20 Jan 07 - 10:40 AM None in Washington white pages, Tacoma or anywhere else. I guess someone with a lot of time could do a white-pages check for each state. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: wysiwyg Date: 20 Jan 07 - 10:41 AM Never mind-- 0 Results matching "Jusenovitch, United States" ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: mg Date: 20 Jan 07 - 05:05 PM how truly odd...I would have thought it was a fairly common name..it sounds so...common a name. Where have all the Jusenovitches gone? Long time passing. Well, I shall try to find my second cousin...mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: wysiwyg Date: 20 Jan 07 - 05:25 PM I bet there are a bunch of maiden-named Jusenovitches lurking out there. Can't think how to search them, though, using it as a middle name.... Are marriage records online? Do you know what church they'd have attended (if any)? Baptismal registers and marriage registers live on forever, parish by parish. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 20 Jan 07 - 06:23 PM It's certainly transliterated from a slavic language - probably what was known until recently as Serbo-Croat rather than any of the others. In its original it would have been spelt Jusenović in Latin alphabet or Јусеновић in Serbian Cyrillic. I'm in some of those countries fairly often and will ask around. In the meantime it might be worth cutting and pasting those original spellings into search engines. |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: mg Date: 21 Jan 07 - 02:05 AM I am trying to find baptismal records for St. Leo's parish in Tacoma Washington...mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: where would Jusenovitches have come from From: Lepus Rex Date: 22 Jan 07 - 12:51 AM MG, for baptismal records, check with the Seattle Archdiocese Archives. Oh, and as I mentioned in a PM, all of the people with names similar to "Jasenovitch" that I've seen in the area (two guys, so far: an "Andrew Josonovich" arriving by boat in 1909, and a "Peter Yosanovich" living in Kittitas Country in the 1910 US Fed. Census) have been Montenegrins. Ditto, what Peter K wrote, about the proper transliteration of whatever the original (presumably Serbian or Montenegrin) name might be. "Jusenoviæ" and "Jusanoviæ" are certainly real names. Also, the name "Jošanoviæ" is out there, as well, although the "š" in this name would be like an English "sh," which differs from your pronunciation of "Jusenovitch." But simplification of a "foreign" name's pronunciation by Americans isn't unheard of... Anyways, I guess my point is that there's tons of similar names, really... Also, there's plenty of people surnamed "Yosanovich" around the country (particularly in California), although I don't see any in Washington,. Heh. ---Lepus Rex |
