BS: Cell guns

Subject: BS: Cell guns
From: kendall
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 08:18 AM

What next?
Now, someone has invented a gun that looks just like a cell phone. It fires 4 .22 caliber bullets in rapid succession, and it is impossible to tell one from a real cell phone.
You can bet from now on when you go through airport security, and you draw your cell phone, you could be looking down the barrel of a Glock 9!

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 08:49 AM

maybe they make a phone waht looks like a gun?

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Alec
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 08:52 AM

Rosa Klebb had one of those.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: skipy
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 08:53 AM

Fwd: .22 cal Cellphones!!

Deadly Decoys
Cell Phone Guns Discovered

Hitting the 5, 6, 7 and 8 buttons on the phone gun fires four .22-caliber rounds in quick succession. (US Customs Service)

By Lucrezia Cuen

L O N D O N, Dec. 6 At first sight it looks like a regular cell phone same size, same shape, same overall appearance. But beneath the digital face lies a .22-caliber pistol a phone gun capable of firing four rounds in quick succession with a touch of the otherwise standard keypad. European law enforcement officials stunned by the discovery of these deadly decoys say phone guns are changing the rules of engagement in Europe.

"We find it very, very alarming," says Wolfgang Dicke of the German Police union. "It means police will have to draw their weapons whenever a person being checked reaches for their mobile phone."

skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Scrump
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 08:53 AM

That Russian bloke had a gun that looked like an umbrella. And James Bond had one that looks like a pen.

The phone that looks like a gun sounds fun, but when you hold it to your ear to listen you might get people shouting "Don't do it!"

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 09:08 AM

They've been around for quite some time -- my brother, when he worked for the Illinois State Police, sent me a flyer on them. This was more than ten years ago.

"Pen guns" were used during WW2 by the OSS and SOE. There was also one disguised as a (smoking-type) pipe.

Cane guns had a vogue during the last quarter or so of the 19th Century. And there was a gun back then for bicyclists that doubled as a tire (or tyre) pump.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 09:30 AM

There are even porpoise guns.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: JennyO
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 10:08 AM

And what is the porpoise of those, Donuel?

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Wolfgang
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 10:15 AM

Photo of this gun

(scroll to third photo on that site)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 11:44 AM

That's excellent. I need one so I can feel safer flying with air marshalls around.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 12:05 PM

We don't have cell phones in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: kendall
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 12:37 PM

Air Marshals? What about all those pilots and co pilots who are now armed?

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 12:43 PM

Bloody hell Kendall! I've just got over my fear of flying, don't talk about guns on aircraft - too scary to contemplate!! :-)
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 01:20 PM

Strollin' Johnny, a rose by any other name...

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 02:02 PM

I remember in the 70's? someone involved in spying was killed by a dart or knife in a cane.

This is awful...I'll never trust another cell phone!

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: frogprince
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 02:22 PM

Next thing you know, some pinko liberal will be trying to interfere with my constitutional right to carry one of those !

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 03:01 PM

Well I'll tell ya, if I cain't carry ma gun on a plane I ain't gonna fly ta Chubbuck no more.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Barry Finn
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 03:52 PM

Calling 911 could put your life on hold

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: skipy
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 05:45 PM

Kat:-
Georgi Markov is believed to have been murdered after a tiny pellet containing the toxin ricin was fired into his leg from the tip of an umbrella as he was walking across Waterloo Bridge.


Mr Markov, a communist defector who was working for the BBC World Service, was waiting at a bus stop when he felt a sharp jab in his thigh and saw a man picking up an umbrella. He developed a high temperature and died three days later in September 1978.

A post-mortem examination, conducted with the help of scientists from the Government's germ warfare centre at Porton Down, established he had been killed by a tiny pellet containing a 0.2 milligram dose of ricin.

Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 06:11 PM

new "ring tone"..."The 1812 Overture"

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 07:07 PM

Oh, Bill D.....BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! One of my favorite pieces and you ruint it!!! LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: GUEST,Mr Red who noticed a red tie
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 06:57 AM

look two down on the gun link. I was intrigued so I got a translation.   I looks like a pocket for MP3 players - Am I right? - Babelfish says:

Why do men wear ties? I ask for a reasonable answer, in which keins the Woertchen "one" seems, "all" or to "Business-umfeld"? Aha, silence in the forest. But everything becomes now differently, because finally (apart from freudianischer length symbolism) the over-liquid article of clothing of the world gets a practical task - owing to inserted bag as owners for the MP3-Player, he is called now iPod, zweiPod or Karl August.

I am none the wiser.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 07:34 AM

OK Ebbie (or maybe some Mudcat Techno-geek out there) - why 'cell'? We call 'em 'mobile phones' here, because it describes what they are - mobile! What's 'cell' got to do with it? (My ex-boss was a Texan and she couldn't explain it either - and even she called them 'mobiles' after a while!) :-) :-)
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Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: kendall
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 08:46 AM

Johnnie, "Cellular" is more accurate, but, basically, "What we have here is a failure to communicate".

Why do you insist on sticking an "F" in leutenant? Or an extra "U" in humor, color, etc???

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 02:52 PM

Kendall, I'm not getting involved in arguing the differences between The Oxford and Webster - they're different versions of the same thing and smarter people than us have failed to come to an agreement over the 'right' spellings and pronunciations of various words. I just don't get 'cell-phone' (and neither do any of the people I mix with). Wot's it all abaht then Guvnah? There must be a reason - help me understand? :-)
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Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 03:06 PM

I have two words for you, Strollin' Johnny: 'Featherstone. Cholmesley'.

"Cell' is shorter than 'mobile' or 'wireless' or- you get the idea. We in the US are notoriously lazy when it comes to words.

On the other hand, you say 'lift' where we say 'elevator'. We are also notoriously inconsistent when it comes to words.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 04:16 AM

LOL! Proof positive of how divided we are by a common language Ebbie!
Is it a touch on the cool side in Juneau just now? We had a frost this morning - minus 2C! Positively Arctic for Lincolnshire, had to put my hat and gloves on and scrape ice off the car windscreen! LOL!
Best,
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Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 04:48 AM

'cell phone' has the same number of syllables as 'mobile', which is what we usually call them here, and 'mobile' is quicker to type.

Skipy, so: Was he waiting at a bus stop, or was he walking across the bridge?

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 08:48 AM

But Topsie, there were "mobile" phones around long before there were "convenient" mobile phones.

There still are a few accessible "relay networks" around that are used both by commercial comunications and by amateur radio enthusiasts that are "mobile phone" networks but are NOT "cellular phone networks."

It's the development of networks of antennas/antennae/pointythings each covering an area within a "cell," and the method of linking the "cells" together in a way that let's someone move from one cell to another without interrupting the communication, that defines a cellular network, and the rather specialized cellular phones that use that particular method of communication.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 01:36 PM

Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!
Thanks JiK, an answer at last! You've saved me from going nuts! LOL!
Now I understand, I'll stop rattling cages about it.
Thanks again.
S:0)

PS - Still like 'mobile' best! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Becca72
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 01:52 PM

It's always been my understanding that a 'mobile phone' is not necessarily a 'cell phone'. Mobile is used to described cordless and the old "bag" phones, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 02:20 PM

"Mobile" in England these days always seems to mean what Americans call "cell phones", and the French call "portables" (or sometimes "téléphones cellulaires").

Landline phones that aren't anchored by cords get called "cordless phones".

"Wireless" seems to mean something different yet again. For it still brings to mind the old Home, the Light and the Third programme.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 03:22 PM

I just couldn't figure out what 'Cell' was all about, McG, and no-one seemed able to tell me. It was, as they say, 'Doing my head in' (LOL)

My ex-boss was American, and she didn't seem to know either. Now I know, I can rest easy in my bed..... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: GUEST,hoot&fidget
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 09:35 PM

Howzabout the shotgun flashlight?

I carry a Mag-Lite in my car for reading street signs and house numbers. Now I'll have to be doubly careful if a police officer sees it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 04:02 PM

The "German" word for these phones is "handy". Our salespeople like to invent English sounding names (and pronounced) for new things whether these names are known to English speaking people or not. So in Germany this gun would be a handy gun.

Why is a handy called a handy?
Well, when a Suebian German saw a cordless phone for the first time he exclaimed in high surprise and in his Suebian dialect: "Hen di koi Schnur?" ("hen di" is exactly pronounced like "handy" in that dialect) which means "Don't they have a cord?" Since then they are called "Handy" in German.

Wolfgang (refraining to tell you the Suebian version since when Reggae is called Reggae)

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 06:08 PM

Remember the Pink Panther film where the cigarette lighter that looked like an automatic got mixed up with an automatic that turned out not to be a cigarette lighter?
....................
Do we take it Suebians are used for Kerryman jokes in Germany, Wolfgang?

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: sapper82
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 03:03 PM

McGrath, I still refer to VHF instead of the less technically accurate FM.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: jeffp
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 03:25 PM

From Wikipedia:

Very high frequency (VHF) is the radio frequency range from 30 MHz to 300 MHz. Frequencies immediately below VHF is HF, and the next higher frequencies are known as Ultra high frequency (UHF).

Common uses for VHF are FM radio broadcast at 88–108 MHz and television broadcast (together with UHF). VHF is also commonly used for terrestrial navigation systems (VOR in particular), Marine Communication, and aircraft communications.

So all FM radio is VHF, but not all VHF is FM radio.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 06:50 PM

Long Wave, Medium Wave and Short Wave...

I remember Crystal Radio Sets. No need for electric cords or batteries. They'll be back...

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 06:55 PM

Crystal Radio Set Society

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: bubblyrat
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:31 PM

The Germans were very clever at making concealed weapons. One of the most ingenious was ostensibly a large,ornate ,belt-buckle, which concealed a number,up to nine I think ,of very small calibre ( 1.5 or 2 millimetre) spring-loaded gun barrels. The idea was that, when called upon to surrender, an Officer so equipped would slowly and deliberately position himself directly opposite his foe, and then undo his belt-buckle. As he did so, the battery of sub-calibre barrels would spring out and fire a volley of shots into the guts of his captor. Of course, we English were much less subtle, and anyway,a belt-buckle gun would not have been " sporting ", but we did issue a lot of agents with the "Welrod " gun. This was a very small,easily hidden one-shot pistol,with a very short ,smooth-bore barrel, chambered for the .45 ACP round.Cheaply made from pressed & stamped components,it had no range at all, but if held up close to the body of a victim,the damage could be devastating.They were designed as a last-ditch resort, & for opportunistic assassins who could get close enough to their targets.

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:36 PM

Georgi Markov - 1978: Umbrella stab victim dies

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 10:45 PM

Opps! Sorry, wrong number!






Slag from an alien computer!

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 12:38 AM

G'day bubblyrat,

Without digging round to find WW2 reference books, I think you're wrong on all three points:

The Welrod was a silenced, single shot, .22" assassination weapon,

The .45" smoothbore pistol was American-made (in a car headlamp factory... ?) and dropped in quantity to French Maquis area, with 5 spare rounds stashed in the handgrip - and

De Lisle, who designed the .45' silenced carbine (made up from damaged .303" SMLE frames) also designed a belt buckle pistol housing a Browning .380" semi-auto pistol ... used in the assassination of a German general in occupied Europe.

All's fair in ...

Regard(les)s,

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: GUEST,ozchick
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 08:02 AM

Next they'll make a phone that looks like a shoe.......

Subject: RE: BS: Cell guns
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 03:03 PM

WOW! Seedless oranges and now this!!

This can lift road rage to a whole new level. If, when you're driving down the freeway in your six-ton SUV while talking on your cell phone, someone whom you just about ran off the road flips you the bird, you can shoot him with your phone.

That's called progress!

Don Firth