BS: Is this Racism?

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 11:04 PM

Yeah, 'Strings', L.A. had its periodic problems with the black communities when they erupted...but that is a far cry as to what went on in the South......There was no active KKK, lynchings, 'back of the bus' crap and all the rest. The South was legendary..even openly electing over the top prejudiced officials...Byrd, Wallace, etc etc,

Hey, where in L.A. were you? and when?....maybe we've met inadvertently, maybe even played a same gig....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 02:19 PM

".and BTW, the south has a lot more to launder than we did, I grew up in Southern California..nobody gave a shit, as long as 'they' (ANYBODY) didn't fuck with you.....but that's where I grew up....and if you press it, I've got some rather 'embarrassing' history..that would make your claims quite ridiculous."

I grew up in Southern California too and in my experience the LAPD and hate groups would mess with you just as much as they did in the South, mainly because L.A. had many transplanted Southerners there. Also, the Latino community caught institutionalized hell by the former mayors and cops.

The reaction to this prejudice took its form in the creation of "Rifas" or Latino gangs who saw no reason not to stick it to the Anglos. L.A. had its own West Side Story.

Then there was the Watts riots. Don't tell me that nobody didn't mess with the black community. I had friends in Watts and it was the same as in New York, stop and frisk and intimidate.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 06:01 PM

Don, why did you reply to this post on the 'gay marriage' thread?...I was speaking of racism, and the fact that James Baldwin was at one time a homosexual, was just a side note to those who like to throw out the accusations of 'bigot' and 'racists'. ..(Like killing two birds with one stone)..but knowing your past history, you did it to cloud the issue, and disconnect the continuity, just to slip in some of your propagandized nonsense...(often called 'bad science')
Let's try to avoid that shit, OK?


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 10:36 PM

Rednecks????...well I'm not a 'Redneck...but as long as we're on the subject..you got something against 'reds'..like some people have against 'blacks'???

Be careful next time so that shit doesn't slip out!

..and BTW, the south has a lot more to launder than we did, I grew up in Southern California..nobody gave a shit, as long as 'they' (ANYBODY) didn't fuck with you.....but that's where I grew up....and if you press it, I've got some rather 'embarrassing' history..that would make your claims quite ridiculous.
yeah, maybe in certain parts of the country it was worse than others, but where I grew up, there wasn't this 'reparation/guilt' trip....in fact, my first REAL band, I played guitar, for a 5 piece 'soul' group...and we elected 'Jimmy'(the black piano/back-up singer, to be the leader.....way before Obama was born!
...so lighten up, OK?.....and as so far as James Baldwin, of whom we were good friends, he was a writer, and original founder of the Black Panthers....AND SPENT SOME TIME BEING A HOMOSEXUAL!!!!...look him up..he has bios online.....that is going to shock some of the accusers of me being either racist, OR homophobic, right out the window!! ...but I'll just let the whiny idiots prattle on!
(James Baldwin, BTW, is the guy who gave me the quote that I posted on here several times, and I posted him credit for that, long ago..."Right wing and left wing are on the same bird!"..J.B.)

Now go imagine new crap.....BUT, until next time...................

Regards!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: gnu
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 07:12 PM

Did Biden not mean that he was "clean" as being of good moral character and having no "skeletons in the closet"? I am just asking.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 06:40 PM

Why yes, GfinS... And so were the abolitionists back in the 1850s...

Do you ever get tired of defending rednecks???

Guess not...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 05:51 PM

Unfortunately a recent poll, in October, appeared to show that "51 percent of Americans hold explicitly anti-black views. That figure is up from 48 percent in 200". (that's from here )

So some way to go, with a u-turn in the direction in which you are collectively headed?

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 12:59 AM

Oh, bull-pucky, Bobert!..You and your race bit...don't you think it's getting a little old??..by now??..at all???
There ARE some people who aren't having to launder the guilt of being a Southern Democrat, who were the most racist of them all....That's YOUR heritage..No mine..or a lot of other people's!
It's a broken, worn out record, that worked back in the '60's...catch up!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Dec 12 - 09:50 PM

The current crop of Democrats are ***far less*** inclined to either think of, or state, racist thoughts... They have moved on and in calling the Republicans on their inherent racism is not racism... It's observation...

Get over it, Republicans... On both levels...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Dec 12 - 09:25 PM

The people in every place in the world have their own folk music. And only a very small proportion of those people are 'white'.

Folk music is far wider and more varied than a lot of. People seem to think.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Dec 12 - 12:02 AM

Right....and if this were a Motown forum, a lot of white folks would not be as interested in it, as folk music...even though a lot of the blues has it's roots in black gospel, and is well liked and appreciated by whites, it isn't quite that way with the blacks.....ESPECIALLY when lame, lifeless campfire music is supposed to fire them up as much as hot gospel..or blues...or soul.
Just the way it is...but I have found that many blacks are as fascinated by a beautiful melody, much the same as whites get-off on black rhythm!....but then try applying it to folk.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Dec 12 - 07:13 PM

Folk music isn't a white thing only. A good deal of it is based on blues and jazz oriented music that emanated from black musicians. The fact that the membership here on Mudcat is mostly white is simply because the English-speaking folk audience back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's was mostly composed of white, middle class, young people in North America and the UK. That same group of people are still here now, a lot older...and they're still talking about folk music...and that's all there is to it. Race has nothing to do with it. The only thing that has anything to do with it is who was listening to that particular music back there when we were young.

And that's........100!

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Dec 12 - 04:29 AM

I would certainly agree with that point here in the UK Sanity, where "multiculturalism" has meant ghettoised racial groups who have no intention of any form of social integration.

This of course is not just the fault of the minority groups, but a relexion on the worthlessness of modern western culture.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 11:43 PM

Stringsinger: "I don't think there are many black people on Mudcat and that's really a shame. Folk music shouldn't be a "white" thing only."

Maybe you're so fucking 'white' that you're snow-blinded to how 'white' you are!..Maybe you ain't got 'no soul, Man'.....you write like it...maybe certain blacks segregate themselves from something they are NOT interested in...
...ever think of that?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 04:26 PM

Racism can be unconscious. Attention must be paid to it so that it can be shown for what it is. Well-meaning anglo folks can be racist without being aware that they are.
They show cultural conditioning in their racism. Sexism is another similar problem.

I don't think there are many black people on Mudcat and that's really a shame. Folk music shouldn't be a "white" thing only.

Biden obviously meant well but betrayed his unwitting conditioning in his remark.
I think it's fine for him to have been made aware of it without calling him names such as "bigot" or "racist".

The problem is that African-American or Black people have suffered inordinately at the hands of caucasians and so I think they deserve a special sensitivity in treatment.

Racism is about power and the persecution of those of a different color.. Those persecuted don't have the power that is in the hands of the persecutor.

Black people have not persecuted white people historically.

In my experience from the Fifties I was always welcomed into Black people's homes and made to feel comfortable. The reverse was never done in Caucasian homes in those days.

Who has the power is the racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 03:33 PM

Hey, is dividing the human race into so-called 'bigots' versus 'non-bigots'....so we can 'hate' and despise' one more than another...is that bigotry?..or racism?..you know, like hating the human race, so you find new lines of demarcation?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 03:09 AM

BS: Is this Racism?......having a beard isn't a race, is it?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 06:20 PM

Thank you, Wes - whack accepted, lesson taken.

Now can you srrange some professional help and intervention for Bearded Psychotic before he hurts himself or others?

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 05:54 PM

No problem Ake...you're welcome!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Wesley S
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 01:15 PM

"AND NOT A SINGLE LIBERAL HERE WILL TAKE HIM TO TASK FOR IT."

I know - let's whack his pee-pee with a hairbrush!! Greg - consider your virtual pee-pee whacked. Let that be a lesson to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 10:20 AM

Hey Pharoah! Blow me.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 04:26 AM

Greg you really should remember that abusive rhetoric can damage self as well as others.

Thanks GfS.....for taking the time to respond.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 04:21 AM

"Racists" do not always wear hoods, or carry burning crosses.

I tend to look at the motivation of those with a blame obsession.

Ebbie, I am glad to see you back, hope you are well on the way to recovery. I enjoy our little occasional "spats"....take care of yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Fossil
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 02:21 AM

It is a salutary lesson foe a WASP male to come to live in a country (in my case, New Zealand) where being white Anglo-Saxon and Protestant (or presbyterian), seems to be a distinct disadvantage.

And old (ish) as well.

And male.

And hetero.

Oh, sod it, get on with the semi-disguised racial abuse. I am so not glad to see that the revival of this thread has dragged out some of the old Mudcat trolls from underneath their bridges. Hi, GfS, Hi, Akenaton and the rest, merry Christmas, may the New Year bring you some enlightenment.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Dec 12 - 01:29 AM

Now you're going to 'debate' THAT??????

Lots of spare time on your hands, huh?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 05:59 PM

The only real racist that i saw here, was black and no longer posts.

If you're refering to Azizi, you're even more of completely ignorant, fuckwitted asshole than I thought, Pharoah.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: olddude
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 04:22 PM

It would be wonderful if someone in authority would just delete these fucking things when they come up, nothing ever good comes of them

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 03:13 PM

ake, what you are calling 'racist' in her posts is her forthright depiction of how we paler folks think and act in relation to our darker kin. Evidently a person of colo(u)r in a white world has never in our history been able to escape the label. Worse yet, we paler ones rarely are aware of it.

I am reminded of what President Obama said (paraphrased): Of course I grew up considering myself black; no one ever let me forget it.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: meself
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 02:07 PM

And that, folks, is why this part of the forum is called BS.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 01:46 PM

The only real racist that i saw here, was black and no longer posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Dec 12 - 01:20 PM

The 'FAR' anything is still the same wing off the same bird.....and they both suck!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 09:18 PM

> 'Left wing' and 'right wing' are on the same bird!'

He didn't say "far left and far right."

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 08:21 PM

I had a good friend, 'black'....James Baldwin was his name..he articulated it well, when he said, 'Left wing' and 'right wing' are on the same bird!'
Some of you may have heard of James Baldwin. He was also a writer!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 07:18 PM

By saying that Obama was the "first", that is a racist comment. There is a history of articulate and well-spoken, intellectual African-Americans and Sharpton was right to call him on that statement regardless of how Biden actually meant it.

Also, there are lesser known African-Americans who are intelligent, articulate and they don't have to be famous to prove this.

Also, wisdom comes in many forms and sometimes the words from someone ostensibly uneducated can be quite profound and revealing.

Langston Hughes brought this out in his incorporation of African-American speech patterns in his poetry.

W.B. DuBois was an intellectual giant. There have been many.

This is why Black History month is so important.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 04:20 PM

McGrath of Harlow: "The point isn't about Jesse Jackson being admirable in all ways, it's about him being, pretty evidently, a highly articulate man..."

Yeah...and if it wasn't for talkin' 'bout racism, he'd have a lower payin' job!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: ollaimh
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 12:36 PM

racism undrlies everything in america, and britain canada australia and bew zealand. alglo culture has been at war in every part of the globe for five hundred years, and people are completley desensitized to the implications of that.

on mudcat , regulars have recently posted that obama is a third generation socialist, or alternatively a national socialist. totalyy and complketely fantasy based views of the world, but you have to live in fantasy to be at war all over the globe and call it freedom

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 11:30 AM

Let him be, Bruce - he thinks he's having fun.

Interesting tho, that despite my correction and apology to him (which he somehow NEGLECTED to post) he whines about being "stalked", but then proceeds to follow my posts around - whether or not they have anything to do with anything he may have posted - and play his "delenda est Carthago" recording ad infinitum / ad nauseum.

Obviously some mental problems there.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 10:49 AM

BB, I don't want to play the game right now. I'm dealing with some disquieting news. But thanks anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 10:47 AM

"Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:31 PM

For Max and Beardie's benefit, from the archives:

Subject: RE: BS: Louisiana Makes It Illegal To Use Cash
From: pdq - PM
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 07:37 PM

Just for the record, the idiot behind this bill is a member of the Louisiana House of Representitives.

He is Black and a Democrat." "

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 10:41 AM

"Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:00 PM
...
Beardie is also the guy that, in the thread about cash only for second-hand goods, wanted us to know that the sponsor of the bill was a Dumb Ni--er.
"




So, Bruce, would YOU have accepted such an acquisition without defending yourself, or NOT objected when your replies were removed without note by Mudelves????

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 10:38 AM

It seems oK for someone that agrees with the "accepted viewpoint" to make personal attacks, but any attempt to clear the name and reputation of someone in the minority is not allowed, and the Mudelves take steps to insure that that only one side ( the "liberal") is allowed to do whatever they want without being held accountable.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 10:35 AM

Shall I repost the thread entries?

I have them all on archive, since the mudelves removed many of my posts and several threads. GregF accused me of being a racist because he disagreed with me. Someone els had posted the "Black and a Democrat" comment, which he accused me of posting stating that it was "Dumb ni**er"

How did I take it out of context that a liberal here can make racist comments and accusations and not be held to account by the many here that agree with his politics? How do I take it out of context that he runs around ONLY attacking the people ( never the statements posted ) of those he disagrees with and NO ONE ever tells him to stop, yet the SAME people have told conservatives to stop attacking people?

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 10:24 AM

"AND NOT A SINGLE LIBERAL HERE WILL TAKE HIM TO TASK FOR IT."

BB, you have taken Greg out of context. Saying it over and over won't change that.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 10:07 AM

Bruce: get help. Your monomania is showing. Off your meds again?

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 09:46 AM

And GregF, states that the term "Black and a Democrat" is the same to him as "Dumb ni**er"

AND NOT A SINGLE LIBERAL HERE WILL TAKE HIM TO TASK FOR IT.

In Fact, the Mudelves conspired to cover up any mention by others of it, and removed threads started to discuss it.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 09:19 AM

The Fugitive from Intelligence (a.k.a. Shit-Sirrer from Nowhere)strikes again- resurrecting a 5-year old thread; but then he's a 5-year old, so perhaps its appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Dec 12 - 04:34 AM

Look, it's easy....If a Democrat says something racist, it's not really racist...if a Republican voices his opinion about anybody of another color, its racists.
Everybody makes up their own judgements and rationalizations, and if 'your' particular party fucks up, you make excuses and rationalize it away.

Simple.

Meanwhile, you can safely hold onto your political double standards....but of course, that doesn't mean 'you'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 06:29 PM

ha, John, I say- glad to see that you stumbled over the "town" bit. There is hope for you yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 06:15 PM

The point isn't about Jesse Jackson being admirable in all ways, it's about him being, pretty evidently, a highly articulate man.

I wasn't just joshing when I mentioned the hearing aid - I got one recently and it really did make a big difference. I found that people I'd thought were swallowing their words were actually pretty articulate in that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Is this Racism?
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 06:11 PM

well, I guess I'm okay with mush. I have, after all, owned sled dogs for the past thirty years.

Mush on Yukon King!!! take me and Jesse to Hymietwon!!!