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BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants

mousethief 26 Jul 10 - 02:53 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 26 Jul 10 - 07:25 AM
GUEST,Steamin' Willie 26 Jul 10 - 04:15 AM
beeliner 26 Jul 10 - 03:46 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 25 Jul 10 - 01:49 PM
mousethief 24 Jul 10 - 06:22 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 24 Jul 10 - 06:12 PM
GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1 24 Jul 10 - 03:41 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 24 Jul 10 - 03:21 AM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Jul 10 - 09:07 PM
GUEST,Steamin' Willie 23 Jul 10 - 06:43 AM
catspaw49 22 Jul 10 - 08:44 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Jul 10 - 06:01 PM
The Fooles Troupe 22 Jul 10 - 01:55 AM
Uncle_DaveO 21 Jul 10 - 05:40 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Jul 10 - 02:53 PM

In the days of the internet surely you should be able to look online and see what the locals like? Local newspapers' websites are a great place to start.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Jul 10 - 07:25 AM

"Of course I don't doubt that there are many other such places, but how does one go about finding them other than trial and error?"

Like Willie sez, we too tend to avoid eating at Hotels. All faded decor, guests and food alike.. Yuck! I've often walked straight out the door after walking into an hotel for lunch. They're too often lacking in any charm or appeal other than the possible surrounding scenery.

Go for an historic coaching Inn which has guest rooms instead. Not all of them still offer lodgings, but you can check out online in the area you're traveling to for those Inns which do. All the charm of an historic building (oak beams, creaky floorboards and ghost stories galore), much more genial 'traditional English pub' type atmosphere, and the food is likely to be much better too, IMO!


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 26 Jul 10 - 04:15 AM

Hi beeliner.

Same as any other country I suppose. I travelled far and wide through my work and tried anything and everything.

Small hotels do, I suppose, cater for a market and that market tends to be older people, brought up post war who expect meat & two veg. My family own a pub and started a rather bland stereotypical menu every Tuesday. I kid you not, there is a bus company who ferry people on day trips who make a point of stopping there for lunch now. The old dears lap it up.

My Aunty owned a small hotel in Blackpool when I was a lad, and we got dragged there every summer. Yep, if I were to sum up the old UK culinary habits, I would take my childhood holidays as my reference.

It is a pity you didn't experience good food. I now live in the place John Wesley was born and we get many buses full of people on a pilgrimage most weeks, (many of the American.) Now... there is a wonderful restaurant, a great hotel with excellent food, a nice tea shop I take our visitors to... And there are a few places I wouldn't exactly be proud of. I wonder of course how different tourists view our little town based on which place they noticed the queues being shorter and go in. makes you think, and also makes me stop before defending my knowledge against your experience!

Similarly, I work regularly in central London and know how and where to avoid the tourist traps. Move a few yards from where you are lured to and London is the finest place in the world to eat in my opinion. (OK, I may add a few Western California places I visited the other year...)


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: beeliner
Date: 26 Jul 10 - 03:46 AM

Just noticed a post a few up saying that whenever they visit The UK, they eat McD because the food in The UK is generally awful.

That was I, and based on a trip to England and Wales in 1998, and a later return visit to London.

Most of the places I stayed had horrible food. The singular exception was the Tweed House in Blackpool, which served an enormous English breakfast every morning, included in the cost of the room, and everything absolutely delicious!

Of course I don't doubt that there are many other such places, but how does one go about finding them other than trial and error?


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 10 - 01:49 PM

The chief source of litter in our area is Dairy Queen, which sells a large container of sweet drinks cheaply. Every kid coming home from school buys one and tosses the container on lawns, the street, alleys- anywhere except in a waste receptacle.
Dunno if this outfit exists outside of Canada, but a lot of us would like to see it exported lock, stock and barrel.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: mousethief
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 06:22 PM

Wonderful people!   And I know, each time I pick up all the crap litter with their name on from down the end of my road that there's never been such a wonderful company who cares so much about us all...

You can hardly blame McD's for people littering. There are plenty of other companies' food wrappers by the side of the road.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 06:12 PM

McDonalds in Canada does care, and is well-known for its Ronald McDonald House charities, which helps children with serious disabilities and their families. There are 12 Houses in Canada which give support.
There is one in my city; donations are welcomed.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 03:41 AM

But....McDonalds CARE about us, about the environment, about their food...I know this 'cos I've seen their organicy advert...

What a Lovely McDonalds!

Wonderful people!   And I know, each time I pick up all the crap litter with their name on from down the end of my road that there's never been such a wonderful company who cares so much about us all...


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 03:21 AM

"Missionary zeal of some telly chefs". This is now on telly, and exactly what I mean: http://www.hairybikers.com/index.php?hairybikers_food_tour_of_britain


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 03:12 AM

For those who like English country pubs (can't speak for other parts of the UK), there has been a decided improvement in the quality of pub food.

If you're happy to spend a tenner or so for a meal, nice food akin to well home-cooked fare, can easily be had. I had the best chips of my life on the Welsh border recently. Skin on, fried in goose fat (it came with game pie and chard or something, but it was the chips that we remembered!). Seriously lovely pint of scrumpy too.

There has been an upturn (due it seems to the missionary zeal of some telly chefs) in interest in traditional regional foods in the UK, which definitely makes going for a pub meal when on hols a tad more interesting than it might once have been.

Otherwise, for anyone visiting Manchester's Norther Quarter, ditch McD and visit the Soup Kitchen there instead. Lunch for 3.50, can't be bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 09:07 PM

Of course major centers like London, New York, San Francisco, etc. have restaurants on the Pelegrini and Michelin lists, but at best, for me these would be once-a-year special occasion stops.

McDonalds provides a decent meal for under $10, as do a number of other eating spots.
I think these are really the subject of this thread.

And some of the top ones can be disappointing. One here in my town is on the World's top 100 list (Pelegrini), along with Ducesee at the Dorchester in London and the like. Being the only one on the Canadian prairies on the list, we went there for a special occasion. We would have had better food at many other local restaurants, for half the price or less.
On the Michelin list for London, I might be able to afford Benares once a trip, but certainly not Darroze at the Connaught.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 06:43 AM

Just noticed a post a few up saying that whenever they visit The UK, they eat McD because the food in The UK is generally awful.

I suppose post war it was portrayed as such, and even Willie remembers the windows steaming up at home on a Sunday as mum prepared sunday lunch by massacring the veg...

But it's a bit like the all wearing bowler hats, supping tea and beefeater being a career option.... Not a UK the inmates recognise.

There are more Michelin starred restaurants in London than in the whole of France, or so I read recently. Even pubs have latched on to quality being a bigger draw than quantity. I moved into a village earlier this year, and our village has a place with four full time chefs and their staff and the next village along has a Michelin star chef.

I must admit though, we are not a million miles from Scunthorpe, and a local tourist information booklet has an advert for a restaurant there with a picture of a dish with crinkle cut frozen chips on it (!) and the proud boast "Voted Best Restaurant in Europe." With an * after the claim. read down and the * denotes "as voted by readers of Scunthorpe Evening News."

Laugh?   I nearly bought a round...


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 08:44 PM

Wendys had a pronounced drop in quality and service after Dave Thomas died.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 06:01 PM

Wendy's wasn't bad years ago, but the last I had was leather burger, wilted lettuce and dead tomato. Couldn'r eat it and won't go back

MacDonalds lettuce and tomato is always fresh, and the meat is edible. Too many good restaurants in Calgary to bother about them much, however. Even the supermarkets have good fried chicken, all kinds of salads (esp. Safeway) and fresh sandwiches made to order.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Jul 10 - 01:55 AM

"Most of us eat some sort of crap occasionally, so long as the general diet is relatively healthy I don't see that it makes a lot of difference. "

I seem to remember in the McLibel case - a witness for Maccas admitted that you could eat cardboard as part of a balanced diet...

:-P


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 05:40 PM

Mousethief, the only fast-food burger place I'll willingly go to is Wendy's.

De Gustibus non est disputandum

Dave Oesterreich

PS: I might just add, I almost always order the Spicy Chicken Fillet Sandwich at Wendy's, though sometimes a burger, which is always both tasty and juicy. Never fries, so I can't testify to their fries quality.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:57 PM

I have never, ever, ever been happy with the food I got at Wendy's. Every time I swear I'll never go back, then someone talks me into going back because their experience has always been so positive, ya-da, and each time I get crap food. Their burgers are leather. Their fries are goo.

Never again. This time I mean it.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:39 PM

They all supply nutrition info. I think the Wendys double is 760 cal. Not too bad a treat once in a while if eaten in two meals.

And, the Wendys burgers are the best I have had.

I had a coupon for a McChicken a while back... not bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:11 PM

Here's GUESTmg's link, clickified:

McD's FAQ

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:52 PM

here is FAQ from mcd

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/food_quality/see_what_we_are_made_of.html


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:41 PM

Fast food in Britain is generally bad, but there were some good fish and chip outlets. They certainly know nothing of hamburgers.

In North America, McD's burgers are pretty blah, but the meat is decent quality. Ask them to skip the dressing goo and then add ketchup; not bad at all. The lettuce and tomato are generally OK. I like to make my own burgers, with lean beef mixed with chopped onion, a good seasoning salt and dried oregano leaves, but travelling, a McD's is often the choice.

For light fast food, there is a chain here (western Canada) called Opa- no imagination, but I guess all North Americans know the word and know roughly what is served.
We ate lunch at one yesterday. The plate lunches are good, my salad had almost a full tomato,, cuke, fresh lettuce, green pepper and abundant slivers of good parmesan (preferred here to feta), and the dressing was fresh and good. The meat was lamb kebab, very tender, calamari, or a good spanikopita (sp?), wish a round of fresh pita, all for $8.95.

Another good chain, Edo, with a variety of Japanese fare in addition to the fish bait, but I wish the Japanese would open a noodle chain here; there are some in Honolulu (branches from Tokyo) and I enjoyed them- the big bowl of noodles in a good broth with toppings of meat, fish, etc.
Good noodles are an art.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:23 PM

Anyone know if their ice cream is natural milk based and healthy, or if it is made of some kind of fake milk mixture?

It's real milk, at least in part. Don't know if it's healthy.

They used to have a wonderful hot caramel sundae. It was fabulous. Then they switched from ice cream to lowfat yogurt, and from real caramel to nonfat caramel. Now it's dreadful.

They used to make an insanely good fried cherry pie stick. Now they have a dreadfully dull baked apple pie stick.

If I'm going to desecrate the temple of my body by having dessert, at least make it sinfully good.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:22 PM

I find their soft ice cream...and small apple (and blueberry) pies, (that I believe are baked not deep fried, as at BK) fine.

Anyone know if their ice cream is natural milk based and healthy, or if it is made of some kind of fake milk mixture?


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:33 PM

Why does the big M not try some of the local fare in other markets?

Am told that in Greece during Lent they sell a veggie burger called the McLent. Not that most Greeks take lenten fasting terribly seriously, if travelers' tales are true....


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: jacqui.c
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:33 PM

while out west I discovered that McDonalds do a pretty good chicken salad, and at a reasonable price. As I don't eat protein and carbs together, and try to avoid wheat, finding something like this is a godsend for me.

I must admit that McD's burgers would certainly not be on my list of preferred foods - they certainly don't make a burger that suits my taste. However, as an occasional treat when the kids were young we would go there - but only very occasionally. Most of us eat some sort of crap occasionally, so long as the general diet is relatively healthy I don't see that it makes a lot of difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Stu
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:43 PM

Oh well, must have been a different US I went to.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:42 PM

I think the US is not full of places selling excellent burgers and fries..at least that you can find and know in advance what you are getting..quite a few places are extremely stingy with the meat and with McD's you kmow what you are getting..I generally go there when I am traveling and find them to be pretty good burgers. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: beeliner
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:41 AM

Odd that there are so many negative statements from Brits here, when I'm in the UK (which is rarely) I seldom eat anywhere other than McD because the food in general there is so awful - but perhaps that's more a cultural thing.

I gotta say, though, the ala carte breakfast bar at the Tesco in Barking is excellent, though the eggs are usually cold. The sausage there is the best I've ever tasted - God knows what's in it, and I'm not asking Him to share that knowledge with me.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:51 AM

You draw the line Suibhne?

It's a chicken thang, CS - at least with a Big Mac you don't really know what you're dealing with; the experience is as essentially occult as the provenance of the corporeal burger. I like my junk food to be as remote as inhumanly possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:46 AM

OK, just for those who need it spelling out for them, this thread is, as far as I am aware, about McDs operations in the UK.
Now you may or may not like the product, personally I can take it or leave it, but whether you like it or not, and I am talking about their burgers in particular, there is absoloutly no reason for these defamatory and possibly libellous comments about their products. I would suggest that the hygene standards and quality control are amongst the best in the industry, and as far as additives are concerned with burgers, just take a look at almost any supermarket pre-packed product.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Stu
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:18 AM

"It's not very good beer, they don't want people coming in for the beer"

At least they're consistent, selling crap beer along with crap food.

Still don't undestand why our American brothers and sisters would eat this shite when their own country is full of places selling excellent burgers and fries?


"One doesn't go to McDonald's to eat, one goes to paint pictures of infinity and contemplate the joyful noise of eternity."

Nah, one goes in to have a slash or a crap as at least the bogs are clean. All that "noise of eternity" stuff works better in the pub after a pint or two of Pale Rider and two packs of Taytos or dry roast.

Thinking about it, our high street McDud's was closed down here in Macclesfield due to lack of interest (and the fact they opened a ';drive-thru' cafe up the road), so even if you wanted to open a franchise here you couldn't, as they've already closed it down.

I used to like the gravy from KFC, but I stopped going because my Mum worked with a girl who part-timed there and their hygiene precautions were a little, er, unique (more hearsay Silas - call me a liar if you wish sunbeam).


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:17 AM

Remember when they started selling pre packaged salad as a "healthy" option. then had to admit the dressing had more transfat than the burgers....

Or the fact that their milk shakes are not suitable for vegetarian or adherents to the Islam faith... (Once you have got all the cuts you can off a chicken carcass, boiled the bones for stock, (at an industrial scale,) you render down the bits of skin, gristle and Lord knows what...

The mush you are left with is used, (and to be fair, not just McD but most preprepared bulk supplies..)

As thinkening agent for milk shake.

Makes you think, especially as before they reverted to potato rather than maize, there was already more potato in the milk shake than in the chips! (Anyone any idea if the milk shakes contain any milk? Just curious, that's all.)


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: beeliner
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:03 AM

Do they have McBlutwurst in Germany?

No, but they have McKroket in Holland.

YECHHHH!

Aside from the McRib being the top-selling item, the main difference between American McD and German McD is that German McD serves beer.

It's not very good beer, they don't want people coming in for the beer, and it's way down at the bottom of the menu in small print, but it's avaialble if you want it.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:19 AM

"called a Donair" +> Donna +> Donna Kebab....


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 10:00 PM

Why does the big M not try some of the local fare in other markets? Versus pushing the dated, regular boring stuff everywhere? I tried a Philly Steak in Boston that was excellent, but never saw it in other locals.

BTW, the greek Gyro (often lamb) is a fast food dish, called a Donair (spiced, on the spit, ground beef on pita) in Canada, especially popular on the east coast...but, not at McDonalds.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 09:52 PM

Do they have McBlutwurst in Germany?

Q: Kebab in pitta???

That skewer do make it interesting.


"Kebab" in Blighty is "Gyros" in the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: beeliner
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 07:56 PM

I like McD more than most of the posters on this thread.

They were among the first to list all of the dietary data on their offerings, and their menu includes some very tasty and nutritious choices.

In Europe they offer a veggie-burger, it has different names from country to country, Gemuese-Maec in Germany, Groentenburger in Holland, etc. Melts in your mouth, and quite moderate in fat and calories.

In Germany, they offered tempura vegetables for a limited time, I couldn't go often enough, they were BEYOND delicious.

The McRib, offered only occasionally in the USA, is the number one menu item in Germany. Walk through a German McD, you'll find about 60-75% of the patrons downing McRibs. Probably not the best choice nutritionally, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 04:38 PM

"I draw the line at KFC, CS - but the weirdest burgers are those frozen self-microwave jobs"

You draw the line Suibhne?

Ye gods, if my poor Netto-burger scoffing mother heard me talking with your like, she'd have.. been confused. Are you proud of that? Are you? Mmm...


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 04:37 PM

I've been bemused by the assertions by several here, something to the effect that "all meat products at McDonald's are raised in Ireland or England," and that all potatoes, ditto.

Boy, that must make the cost of a Big Mac and fries (chips) sky-high in Japan, Australia, or India! And I don't understand how the McDonald's restaurants stores in the US can sell their food products at the prices they do, with the cost of all that transportation from Ireland and/or England built in!

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 04:20 PM

I draw the line at KFC, CS - but the weirdest burgers are those frozen self-microwave jobs you sometimes get in B-road petrol stations, In religious terms it's the Bogomil of the burger.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 02:29 PM

"Go for that Big Mac, CS - it'll blow your mind!"

Ahh, but have you ever had a Zinger Tower? Hm? Fuck Big Gnostic Mac, There's some spicy zen.................... (etc.)


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 02:23 PM

Well, it'll certainly bring you closer to God....


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 02:13 PM

eat nothing but stuff off a McDonald's menu for 6 months.

Anything that brings you closer to God is divine; this is ceremonial food to be eaten on ritual / folkloric occasions. To use the above as an argument is to miss the point - it's like telling a Roman Catholic to live on Holy Toast and Communion Wine for 6 months or a Folkie to live on Real Ale and Phileas Fogg packet snacks for 6 months. One doesn't go to McDonald's to eat, one goes to paint pictures of infinity and contemplate the joyful noise of eternity. Shit, if it was good enough for Sun Ra, then it's good enough for Sedayne.

Go for that Big Mac, CS - it'll blow your mind!


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 01:34 PM

"The thing that just slightly vexes me is their use of the word "restaurant","

Honestly I went into one of those BIG independent shops one Xmas a few years back, the kind that attracts well heeled types.

I asked the lady at one of the counters downstairs, nicely if they had a "cafeteria" (note: not a lowly "Caff", nor even a "Cafe" but a "cafeteria").

She informed me in a suitably superior manner (for a shop assistant!), that there was a "Restaurant" upstairs. Not just *any* old "restaurant" of course, but one in an affected French accent!

Larf much! Yes I did.. But then it was the only place open where we could get a cuppa coffee and a mince pie.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,josep
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 01:20 PM

For the benefit of Silas, my information comes from the book "Fast Food Nation" by Eric Schlosser who toured the various factories where meat patties, fries and flavorings are made. It's a very hard read for those who actually think McDonald's is healthy. But my challenge to Silas will go unmet: eat nothing but stuff off a McDonald's menu for 6 months. Egg Mcmuffins for breakfast, filets for lunch, shakes, cokes, orange juice, salads, mcnuggets--whatever and then let's have a look at you.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 01:15 PM

"More like an agnostic?"

Mmm, a fast food agnostic? That probably fits.

I DO like fast food, but I have some favourites as cited: Marky's Sushi/Salmon Sarni would come a close second to a Kebab. My best burger is Kentucky Zinger Tower, beating anything offered from McD out of the water. If I could get Singapore Chow Mein in your average high street however, I'd ditch Marky's like a shot.

See, it's complex..


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Stu
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 12:59 PM

"OK Sugarfoot, it's a simple matter to trawl the internet for negative reports on McDonalds and its produts, even if some of them are 30 years old."

Fine - I provided information, much up to date some to provide ideas on how the opinions of many people here are formed (i.e. established fact, however old). Tell you what though - I am not a liar.

"I've never yet had a Big Mac, and I call myself a Gnostic?"

More like an agnostic?


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 12:47 PM

There isn't really anywhere else on Mudcat that I can flag this fresh disovery up right now (umm, there was another thread but I'll let it rest). So I'll do it here: MJ Harris & Martyn Bates Murder Ballads

Ooer, is all I'll say. So far I've only checked the lone Bloody Gardener track.. Well worth it though. Ooh..


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: gnomad
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 12:38 PM

I don't go for burgers as a whole, though I would not reject the option if hungry enough and having no alternative. They just are not to my taste, and have no cultural significance for me. Other people have a different take on that, OK, it isn't something we need to fall out about.

I did, once, eat at McDonalds and their product didn't strike me as significantly better or worse than others of that ilk. The place was at least clean, which cannot be said of all cheap eateries.

The thing that just slightly vexes me is their use of the word "restaurant", maybe that has different connotations in McD's homeland, but cafe or snack-bar would strike me as more appropriate descriptions. Restaurant, to me, indicates a rather more involved cuisine than a fast food franchise offers.

I was amused by this story, it suggests that at least somebody wants McDonalds.

As for Spaw's proposition; he'll think me a dickwad, but I would decline, not because I hate McD's but because I've seen how hard a franchisee needs to work and am happier as I am. I would also be glad to be able to dance morris again but until someone gives me a time machine ride it won't happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: McDonalds Fast Food Restaurants
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 12:34 PM

OK Sugarfoot, it's a simple matter to trawl the internet for negative reports on McDonalds and its produts, even if some of them are 30 years old.

McDonalds chips (fries - whatever) come from British Potatoes and are produced by McCain. No flavourings or added ingredients, just potatoes and oils. The red sauce they use is your common or garden Heinz Tomato Ketchup. The buns are a standard recepie bun that you could buy almost anywhere. The cheese - well, its shite. Its processed muck. Dill? just pickled gherkin.

Chicken nuggets - well, they are bound to be crap, but they are crap wherever you buy them. Can't point the finger at McDs for that.


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