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Subject: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Donuel Date: 14 Feb 07 - 07:52 PM Commercials and "swift boating campaigns" are already in production. Last week the first foul shot across his bow was an ingenius whispering campaign that Barak was educated by muslim terrorists since the age of 6 and that the Hillary campaign hired the dectectives who found out about his terrorist education past. The current campaign against him is coming from hired blacks who claim that Obama is not black or an African American. A little pamphlet sized book is currently for sale that reads like it was hatched in one weekend from the American Heritage think tank. The next campaign against him will feature what looks like the Aflac goose standing in front of an unflattering photo of Obama quacking " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Don Firth Date: 14 Feb 07 - 08:12 PM I knew it wouldn't be long. I'd like to see Obama haul these people into court in a libel suit. The only defense in a civil suit for libel is for them to prove that what they say is true. That would bloody-well settle it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Peace Date: 14 Feb 07 - 08:16 PM I think that Obama will be the first Black President in the history of the US. I guess the bastards who do smear campaigns are starting to think that, too. The key is to stay with the issues and absolutely ignore the statements fromm groups like that. Then, when the legal ducks are in a row, nail them in court. |
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Subject: RE: ? From: Donuel Date: 14 Feb 07 - 08:19 PM for some reason only a part of my initial post appeared here it is in its entirety Commercials and "swift boating campaigns" are already in production. Last week the first foul shot across his bow was an ingenius whispering campaign that Barak was educated by muslim terrorists since the age of 6 and that the Hillary campaign hired the dectectives who found out about his terrorist education past. This is currently belived by about 10% of the people who heard the rumor. With proper repeatition it can be believed by 33% or more. The current campaign against him is coming from hired blacks who claim that Obama is not black or an African American. A little pamphlet sized book is currently for sale that reads like it was hatched in one weekend from the American Heritage think tank. During an interview Obama's wife was asked if she worried if Obama would be asassinated since he was both a black man and a populist candidate ( you see All populist presidents have been shot although some survived like Teddy Roosevelt) She answered that "a black man in America can be shot just going to the gas station and we will not live in fear. Conservatives like Tucker Clarson said that its a lie that black people get shot anymore than anyone else in America and that some one would have to prove otherwise. The Australian PM (hand seleted by Rupert Murdoch and political clone of W) said while seated next to a grinning Bush Jr. said, sic "Obama would be a disgraceful presidential candidate that would destabilize the middle east and cause chaos and disaster." Obama responded that If Howard is so ginned up to escalate this illegal war, Howard should send his own troops to suffer this failed strategy." The NEXT campaign against him will feature what looks like the Aflac goose standing in front of an unflattering photo of Obama quacking " Half Black Half Black Half Black !!!!!!!!" This will inspire white racists as well as racist blacks. Next there will be mailings that insinuate that on top of admitted cocaine abuse Obama is still suffering from an addiction of Heroin proportions. Finally what will cook his goose , just like Harold Ford, will be the allegation of Obama having sexual intercourse with white women. They may even get a few whores to go on camera and describe his penis the same way they did with Bill Clinton. of course smear tactics are despicable but we all know that politics is the steering of EMOTIONS for the power to steer profits into designated pockets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Donuel Date: 14 Feb 07 - 08:21 PM Here is a smear for Mitt Romney I think his wife is hot, all three of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Peace Date: 14 Feb 07 - 08:24 PM Thing is, ads that appeal to racists are as good a waste of their money as anything else, because that type of crap will reach the eyes and ears of people who wouldn't vote for someone because of race or sex. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Charley Noble Date: 14 Feb 07 - 08:25 PM Well, I hope the Swift boat folks get deep-sixed! Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Donuel Date: 14 Feb 07 - 08:29 PM Gulliani not only has kissing cousins, he marries them! The smears against Hillary have been mostly sexual by calling her a lesbian for years. I think if she were smart she would get Obama to sign on early as her Vice President. IT makes sense as insurance against right wing assasins as well as boosting her appeal by 50%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Don Firth Date: 14 Feb 07 - 08:45 PM This sort of vicious hate campaign will undoubtedly take a few votes away from Obama, but it could just backfire and win him a lot of sympathy votes from people who might not have voted for him otherwise. Don't start sharpening your carving knife yet. The goose is still loose. There's this song that Leadbelly used to sing. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Donuel Date: 14 Feb 07 - 09:04 PM Loose as a goose is not a pleasant thing in our family Don but I see the race being introduced by corporate networks who have dismissed all the real journalists in favor of entertainers. I see a Ceasar like figure standing before the colloseum exclaiming "Let the swift boating begin" The most smears will be on any candidate that might cost a defense contractor to lose even a small sliver of a profit margin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Peace Date: 14 Feb 07 - 09:05 PM And forewarned is forearmed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: mg Date: 14 Feb 07 - 09:06 PM Oh for heavens sake. He will most likely win, and I hope he does and hope he will lose the nomination rather than cut a deal with Hillary. If he wants to cut one with Edwards, I think that would be a great team, although we can kiss our behind goodbye, probably one way or another, internationally. But domestically, I think they would be great, in eeither order but I would prefer Obama/Edwards. With General Honore somewhere in the cabinet. I like him. He says don't get your father another tie for Christmas, get him a weather radio. A sensible man. And of course I would like to see women in the cabinet, or as a vice president, or president if it wasn't Hillary or Nancy Pelosi. Or probably others. And he doesn't need the Heritage Institute to write that sort of booklet for voters; this is a concern that some people (not me) have that he will have to address. I think his heritage is awesome and more diverse even than we realize..Cherokee..which I swear I see in his face...Asian upbringing, a Muslim culture, Kansas farmland on his mother's side. Plus he sends me emails now and then (well along with millions of other people). And I do believe that the dirt or what some perceive as dirt, and I do not call being taught by Muslims dirt but rather more diversity in a world that has to reconcile with Muslims, will be dug up or manufactured by the CLintons and has been already...mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Peace Date: 14 Feb 07 - 09:26 PM The Heritage Institrute is a respected 'school' whose mission is to educate educators. I think it unwise to mix that up with the Heritage Foundation--which is a conservative 'think tank'. Heritage INSTITUTE. Heritage FOUNDATION. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 14 Feb 07 - 09:36 PM Obama is the negative-campaign organizer's worst nightmare. He hasn't been in the public eye long enough to have done much that can be criticized, and attempts to attack him on a personal level run the risk of being seen as race-based. He also may be the only presidential candidate in almost fifty years from whom many Americans would be willing to buy a used car. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: mg Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:01 PM He reminds me of my favorite carpenter on Trading Spaces...Andrew Dan ???Don?? Jumbo. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: wysiwyg Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:17 PM Another thread title in poor taste. Of course I thought it was another cooking thread. That makes TWO cooking threadtitles, abused. '~) ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: GUEST,TIA Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:33 PM Didja notice that FOX News spent hours and hours denying that Obama went to a muslim school, and saying that "some say" that Hillary was behind the rumour. It's a FOX twofer - they get to plant the Obama-muslim link in the mushy minds, and the "Hillary is manipulative" meme at the same time. Picture perfect propaganda. Damn they are good. Instilling one (two!) thoughts (lies) while literally denying them. All but one or two here understand that (and you two probably know exactly who you are!!!!!!!!!). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Peace Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:44 PM "WASHINGTON - I hope Sen. Barack Obama remembered to send Australia's Prime Minister John Howard a Valentine's Day card. The PM has done the Democratic presidential hopeful from Illinois a tremendous favor: He has treated Obama's Iraq ideas seriously. Perhaps you missed this story amidst cable TV's obsessive search for the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby." Rest of the article here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: mg Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:47 PM I think a magazine, and not Fox news, was the source of Hillary's team as the source of the information. Forget the name of it. I mean the original source. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Ebbie Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:49 PM Oh, for heaven's sake. I hope -and expect - Mudcatters are too smart to even pass on this kind of gossip. When one knows something to be untrue but passes it on anyway one is part of the problem. * Barack Obama isn't black (African American) in the same way that most Black people in the US are. His Kenyan father's ancestors were not coerced into slavery. * Cherokee? Must be from his Kansas mother. * |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 14 Feb 07 - 11:08 PM His goose hangs high? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: katlaughing Date: 14 Feb 07 - 11:26 PM If this kind of crap is successful, those of you who gleefully point it out will have to take some of the blame...we have enough fear-mongering through the predictions and dire warnings from ths shrub et al without generating more. I am reminded of the last part of a poem by Ella Wheeler Wilcox (my emphasis): You never can tell what your thoughts will do In bringing you hate or love, For thoughts are things, and their airy wings Are swifter than carrier doves. They follow the law of the universe-- Each thing must create its kind, And they speed o'er the track to bring you back Whatever went out from your mind. That goes for WORDS, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Ebbie Date: 14 Feb 07 - 11:28 PM Hmmmm. Not all of my post survived the transition. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Don Firth Date: 14 Feb 07 - 11:53 PM The goose is not loose in that sense, m'man. I'm saying he's nowhere near the oven. Not caught yet. May as well put the stuffing back on the shelf. Check the Leadbelly song, "The Grey Goose" in DT. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Peace Date: 14 Feb 07 - 11:56 PM I am reminded of something I read in the past ten years: "When you grab a tiger by the tail, you better have a plan to deal with the teeth." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: GUEST,Dickey Date: 15 Feb 07 - 12:38 AM I think Jesse Jackson should be the PM of Canada. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Peace Date: 15 Feb 07 - 12:46 AM FOX news does like to play games. But I think if Obama keeps his cool, the US will wind up with some sort of Edwards.Obama ticket, and that will give y'all a great team to lead the nation. Hi, Dickey. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Donuel Date: 15 Feb 07 - 06:35 AM commercial: A voice over aks in a deep voice "wHO IS oBAMA" The Aflac goose THEN SAYS "Half Black Half Black" distasteful or not, it made me laugh when I saw it on the Daily Show |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: John Hardly Date: 15 Feb 07 - 09:12 AM My guess is that until we elect a president because he is black, we will be unable to elect a president, based upon qualifications, and ignoring color. The explicit racism of our past is nowhere near as dangerous or pervasive as the tacit racism of our present. Let's elect Obama and get it over with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Greg F. Date: 15 Feb 07 - 09:35 AM Worth taking a look at an alternative view of OBAMA HERE |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Azizi Date: 15 Feb 07 - 09:40 AM FWIW, I've heard people who have one birth parent who is Black and one birth parent who is White described as or describing themselves as "half-white" and/or 'half and half". But in my 50+ years I have never heard any Black person refer to another person as being 'half-black'. Nor have I ever heard a mixed race person refer to themselves as "half-black". I suppose that this may occur in American communities where there are very few Black people, but I don't think that 'half-black' term is used in more heavily integrated communities or all Black communities in the USA. After all, what would be the point? In the USA, it used to be a matter of law, and I believe that it's still social practice that if a person has any known Black ancestry, they are Black. Being 'half-black' certainly doesn't cut any ice when it comes to DWB {driving while Black} and other discriminating and down right racist atttudes, occurances and practices. I think these 'half-black' statements have been planted by folks who want to peel off potentially huge Black support for Barak Obama. Furthermore, I think these statements were made and manufactured in some White factory. And I'm not convinced that Hillary Clinton's campaign is responsible. It should be obvious to anyone who can see that many {if not most} Black Americans are a mixed race people. And I'm talking about Black Americans who don't have first generational mixed ancestry. I state that we are a mixed race people as a matter of fact and without conferring any positive or negative valuation unto that statement. Therefore, people who are half black or half white or half and half are all full members in the club. At one time or another, all these people have paid their dues or will pay their dues {when they are confronted with the negative BS and sometimes life threatening happenings that occur just because this nation hasn't fully uprooted racism from the core of its being and then extending outward. For instance, in my opinion the fact that African Americans in the past and still today refer to people as 'half-white' instead of half-black' is more than a statement of fact, but is reflective of the positive valuation that being part white had and still has. Also, fwiw, in my opinion, the statement that only Black people who have ancestors who were enslaved are African Americans sounds like it was also manufactured in some White factory as a means to divide and conquer potentially huge African American support for Obama. To state or believe that in order to be African American you must have had ancestors who were enslaved discounts countless numbers of African Americans in the North, South and elsewhere in the USA whose Black ancestors were never enslaved. That statement also discounts the large numbers of people of African descent who have come to the USA since the end of slavery. I don't have any Southern ancestors who I know of. My father was adopted from New York state, and my mother's family is from the Caribbean. Does this mean that I'm not African American? Humph! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: John Hardly Date: 15 Feb 07 - 09:52 AM Interesting article, Greg F. I concur with the idea. The notion that we should somehow just get along -- put aside real differences instead of seriously hashing them out -- is naive at best, and a contrivance for the "progressive" movement at worst (from my POV -- after all, the notion of "getting along so that the government can DO MORE is seen only as a good thing if bigger government is one's goal) I am all for getting rid of the 95% of public/political discourse that is this horrible, blog-driven, conspiracy-behind-every-public-issue nonsense that passes for political awareness these days. Where shooting down an opponent's ideas is the goal that has totally replaced having ideas in the first place. But don't take away good, hard-fought, well reasoned disagreement. Don't take away a two-party system (unless you wish to replace it with a three, or four, or five....) just because you're tired of hearing "bickering". The parties are supposed to "bicker". Political "science" is not that. It's not a science. At its best it is well-informed positions based upon greatest probabilities. I don't believe that one politician or one party has all the answers. Those positions need to be constantly and consistantly battled. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Donuel Date: 15 Feb 07 - 10:09 AM Since it is human nature to only read the most recent posts, i remind you that the reason for this thread was to show what the far fetched smear campaigns against Obama have been so far. When the future smears appear, and they will appear if we talk of them or not, I was musing how we could possibly psychologically vaccinate the nation with good humor so that swift boating will be dead in the water before they begin. On the Colbert show When a lady claiming to have written the book about Obama not being a true African American nor having any slave ancestry, Colbert said " Maybe we could put Obama in slavery, not in a racist way but maybe selling him to Jesse Jackson and then setting him free" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Feb 07 - 12:52 PM I think in England it'd probably be more common to hear the expression "half black" rather than "half white". But Azizi's point that in the US context the term is being used part of an attempt to reduce Obama's backing among African Americans sounds valid. And at the same time appeal to the racist element among white voters. I like the idea of Clinton and Obama as a double ticket, with a view to reducing the likelihood of the presidential candidate getting shot either during the campaign or following victory. Obama for President, of course. It might reduce the real possibility of assassination - he has been spoken of as having some qualities of a latter day Bobby Kennedy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Ebbie Date: 15 Feb 07 - 12:55 PM In my truncated post above I had noted that Senator Obama answered a question with "Of course I relate to being black. No one ever let me forget it." In my opinion, Obama's racial history may be an excellent way to get this country jump started. My thinking is that if Black Americans can accept a Black person as presidential material, even though he or she does not have the same 250-year history as they and at the same time White Americans can accept a Black person as presidential material partly BECAUSE he or she does not have the same 250-year history, we may be on the way to wisdom. It's a start. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: saulgoldie Date: 15 Feb 07 - 01:45 PM The campaign should tell us that the right is concerned about Obama, so they are trying already to bring him down so they can fight an easier opponent. BTW, the "half-black" duck bit was already done on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Azizi Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:16 PM "My thinking is that if Black Americans can accept a Black person as presidential material, even though he or she does not have the same 250-year history as they.." This misses the point that I tried to make in my 15 Feb 07 - 09:40 AM post. Let me try again: Black Americans do not have to have any connections with slavery to be considered by us or by others to be Black Americans. [in this context "Black Americans" means the same thing as African Americans", since for the most part, I beleive that those two referents means the same thing in the USA to most Black Americans as well as to most non-Black Americans] Furthermore, I would certainly hope that regardless of what race or ethnicity a voter is, her or his decision who to vote for as president of the USA-not to mention other elected offices-would be based on a whole lot more than his or her race and gender and the candidates' race and gender, if either's race and gender plays a factor in that decision at all. And this is an aside, Ebbie, but I'm assuming that you used "250" symbolically, since most history books indicate that enslaved Black people were brought to what is now the USA in 1619, which would be 388 years and not 250 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: John Hardly Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:24 PM Azizi, Don't know where you studied math but 1619 to 1865 is only 246 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Ebbie Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:24 PM I wasn't addressing your point, Azizi (although you are right- I just tossed in 250 years. That was careless.) but what I have heard on political shows recently. Several of them have quoted Black Americans as expressing reservations about what other Black Americans may be thinking. As for hoping that we - Americans, all - voters will vote on the basis of more than gender, ethnicity or race- of course. But we haven't done that so far- my point is that Senator Barack Obama could open the door smoothly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: JeremyC Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:25 PM Azizi posted: Absolutely. I have a huge problem with the fact that race/gender is considered an issue in politics. And am I the only one bothered by the fact that, if Obama wins, it'll be considered a victory for blacks, and he'll be called the "first black president"? Talk about insulting! I'd hate to have my personal achievements co-opted by my race. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:38 PM "250 years" would presumably refer to slavery as such, leaving out what came after that, which wasn't quite slavery. If Obama is elected president I would anticipate it won't be seen as "a victory for blacks". Onthe other hand it would be seen, all round the world, as a defeat for racists in America. And a victory for Americans of all colours who are opposed to racism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: GUEST, heric Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:43 PM >>I'd hate to have my personal achievements co-opted by my race. << Yeah it sucks, but that's his lot in life. As he said "No one ever lets me forget it." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: John Hardly Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:43 PM MofH, The racists who wear sheets will be seen as defeated. The racists who think that blacks are somehow so deficient that they cannot thrive without government assistance will be grinning patronizingly and patting themselves knowingly on the back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Ebbie Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:44 PM Good one, McGrath; I'm sure you are right. As for being known as the 'first Black US president', by the time they leave office, virtually all presidents are known for their actions. George W. Bush? Yeah- wasn't he the guy who ruined it for a generation? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:52 PM Here's Barack Obama's February 10th Springfield Speech on YouTube - Clip 1 Clip 2 Clip 3 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Ebbie Date: 15 Feb 07 - 04:54 PM I had heard excerpts on various shows before but I just now listened to the whole speech. Given a chance, that man will go far. Not only I thrill to the message I love the cadence of his voice; it is reminiscent of so many gone before. But- he will get death threats. Of that, we may be sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Azizi Date: 15 Feb 07 - 04:55 PM John, I subtracted 1619 from 2007. I'll give you that point. Re: Black people writing books and/or being on talk shows saying that Obama isn't "really" African American, for some money and power, among other incentives, you can always find somebody to say anything. My sense is that this "Is Obama really black? question is a politically manufactored hatchet job. I think that Republicans know that regardless who the Democratic candidate is, most Black people will vote for him or her, as oppossed to voting for the Republican candidate. But if the Republicans can peel off some votes from the "Black voting block", then they would have succeeded in the goal of that "Obama's not really black" campaign. And fwiw, it's too soon for me to decide which Democratic primary candidate I will support. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Peace Date: 15 Feb 07 - 05:01 PM Is he Black? As opposed to what, Chartreuse? What a bloody stupid question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Feb 07 - 05:16 PM Wow! I just listened to that whole speech. What a breath of fresh air. I'd vote for him if I was an American. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked From: Peace Date: 15 Feb 07 - 05:24 PM I'll vote for him anyway. |
