BS: Obama's goose is cooked

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 07:55 AM

America Too Racist for a Black President? (DER SPIEGEL interview with Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., Obama's pastor)

SPIEGEL: Do you think he will be President in two years?

Wright: No. unless Barak pulls off nationally what he was able to pull off locally, and wins the hearts and minds of people who have been perennially anti-black. Racism is so deeply engrained in this country that he could be flawless in terms of his policies. But he's still a black man in this country, which has a sorry history in terms of how it sees African-American males. That's my 65-year-old, jaded perception of where this country is. I was pleasantly surprised in the Senate election. I would like to be as pleasantly surprised in the presidential election.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 01:25 PM

Don't go there

If all the republicans that were having affairs while impeaching Clinton were to go public, cable news might have to do fewer Anna Nichol News.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 12:08 PM

"Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: John Hardly - PM
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 04:01 PM

Democrats time and time again weather storms of scandal brought on by their sexual behavior and/or drug use. Republicans NEVER do. You might find an exception. I doubt it."



We may get a chance to find out about this very soon.



WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was having an extramarital affair even as he led the charge against President Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair, he acknowledged in an interview with a conservative Christian group.

"The honest answer is yes," Gingrich, a potential 2008 Republican presidential candidate, said in an interview with Focus on the Family founder James Dobson to be aired Friday, according to a transcript provided to The Associated Press.

"There are times that I have fallen short of my own standards. There's certainly times when I've fallen short of God's standards."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 08:00 PM

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Yep, underwear is being thrown against the wall in hopes that a pair will stick.





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Joe Offer is it kosher to change the name of this thread to
Obama is cooking...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:48 PM

Yes

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:18 PM

Hillary - the other white meat ?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:17 PM

I meant your remark anent Hillary Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:45 PM

Ebbie

someone asked for a cooked goose recipe.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Dickey
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:02 AM

Standard #1: Negative Bush cartoons = acceptable

Standard #2: Negative Obama cartoons = unacceptable

"Gertrude Bornstein of Palm Beach, Florida appeared on TV Thursday morning to say she accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan on Election Day. Asked who she intended to support, she replied, "Al Gore and Al Lieberman""

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:51 PM

And that means?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:36 PM

Pressure cook goose for 2 years in a brew of nuts and noodles.
Serve crisp and golden brown on a bed of truth.


PS
Hillary - the other white meat.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Stringsinger
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 04:45 PM

Kat, I second the motion. Let's eliminate the "rhetoric" wherever and whenever we can.
I like the poem.

Bottom line: The military industrial complex has syphoned American resources into the "black hole" of Iraq and will do furthur damage in invading Iran.

All the social policies advocated by any candidate can't be funded as long as these military agencies control our government.

All of these candidates can't make independent decisions because they are the marionettes of the Corporate strings.

Ralph Nader is looking better to me this year.

I will vote for a Sheehan, Kucinich ticket in either order.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 04:31 PM

Dickey, it's going to be hard for you to rise up to respectability, huh.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 03:52 PM

For the record, I think Barack Obama is a bit of a star.

But re the title of this thread: perhaps he'd like to post the recipe...? There's a very good recipes thread at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Peace
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 03:10 PM

What an idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 03:10 PM

How would Usama vote?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 10:08 AM

I said that Obama's goose is cooked.

It is:

Obama's goose is cooked to a delectible crisp golden brown with both white and dark meat.

In this age of mad cow disease it beats milk and beef by a parsec.


The only person I know who is truely black enough is Lewis Black.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 07:57 PM

Riginslinger, I hope that you are being facetious in harping on the "relationship" and not just not paying attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 07:54 PM

Obviously Sharpton didn't get his quick wit and charming personality from the Thurmond side of the family.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 07:16 PM

BTW, it looks to me like Obama is the cook. NOT the goose.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Peace
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 07:16 PM

Friday, March 2, 2007 10:19 p.m. EST
McCain, Obama Make Deal on Financing


Reprint Information
Clinton's Pardons an Issue for Hillary


McCain, Obama Make Deal on Financing


Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama have agreed to accept just public financing for the general election if they are the Republican and Democratic nominees for president in 2008.

Under current federal regulations, candidates can receive taxpayer funds for the election. In return, they are not allowed to raise or spend any additional funds. Some candidates may be able to raise as much as $500 million in private money for the 2008 race, according to the New York Times, and rejecting the public financing.

Under the agreement, each campaign would be limited to $85 million for the general election. Obama proposed the idea in February, and the Federal Election Commission approved it Thursday.

McCain's campaign chairman told the Times that he welcomed the decision."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 07:15 PM

good response.

The truth is, the colour of a person's skin is irrelevant.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 06:45 PM

Obama responded (paraphrased from my memory)
"We expect absurd accusations but we are going to hit them hard and often with the truth over and over again... and truth will win"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 06:13 PM

Azizi - I think the rumour that Obama is not Black was started by Deborah Dickerson:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/logan-nakyanzi-pollard/blacks-fine-thanks-wri_b_41050.html

Stephen Colbert,

"Is Barack Obama black?

DD: No he's not, in the American political context, black means the son of West African, the descendant of West African slaves brought here to labor in the United States. It's not a put-down, it's not to say that he hasn't suffered. It's not to say that he doesn't have a glorious lineage of his own. It's just to say, that he and I, who am descended from West African slaves, brought to America. We are not the same."

John Hardly -

" Democrats time and time again weather storms of scandal brought on by their sexual behavior and/or drug use. Republicans NEVER do."

If that is true, it is probably because the Republicans (conservatives) consider themselves the moral majority and use religion as a platform. Democrats (liberal) are more secular.

Why are you surprised?

ie: If a politician uses hate of homosexuality to score political points and is then caught making sexual advances to men, he becomes a laughing stock.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 05:51 PM

The problem is that 'swift boating' is alive and well, and it works. If it didn't, there would be no threads like this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 04:53 PM

I love it when the "swift boat" crowd rips a hole in their bottoms on the reefs of truth.

Don Firthy

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 03:22 PM

from a submission to today's Washington Post about a previous story:

No Ancestor, and No Story

Saturday, March 3, 2007; Page A13


Assuming that each generation produced six offspring (a conservative assumption for a time when 10 to 15 offspring were common), here's how I understand "Sharpton's Ancestor Was Owned by Thurmond's" [front page, Feb. 26]:

Strom Thurmond is one of 2,376 first cousins twice removed of a woman who owned a slave of whom the Rev. Al Sharpton is one of approximately 216 great-grandchildren. While that no doubt is emotionally important to the Sharpton and Thurmond families, it is not exactly front-page news. It strikes me as more like an advertisement for Ancestry.com

Note, too, that the slave-owning cousin is not an "ancestor" of Strom Thurmond, as your headline stated.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: pdq
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 03:00 PM

...from his web site:

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, where he grew up herding goats with his own father, who was a domestic servant to the British.

Barack's mother, Ann Dunham, grew up in small-town Kansas. Her father worked on oil rigs during the Depression, and then signed up for World War II after Pearl Harbor, where he marched across Europe in Patton's army. Her mother went to work on a bomber assembly line, and after the war, they studied on the G.I. Bill, bought a house through the Federal Housing Program, and moved west to Hawaii.

It was there, at the University of Hawaii, where Barack's parents met. His mother was a student there, and his father had won a scholarship that allowed him to leave Kenya and pursue his dreams in America.

Barack's father eventually returned to Kenya, and Barack grew up with his mother in Hawaii, and for a few years in Indonesia. Later, he moved to New York, where he graduated from Columbia University in 1983.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 02:17 PM

Hey, come on. No one has said that Obama is related to the Thurmonds. What is a matter of record is that Obama's ancestors were held as slaves by Strom Thurmond's ancestors.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 01:52 PM

And now we learn that Al Sharpton is related to Strom Thurmond, and Obama's white ancestors owned slaves.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 02:44 PM

Obama's goose isn't cooked. I saw it flying over coastal Oregon yesterday afternoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 07:48 PM

Note - I did say I hadn't lived in the UK for a few years (to say the least)!!! I think the paid advertising is crucial in the British system (or lack thereof). I remember in my youth very serious politicians like Joe Grimond or Harold Wilson being granted equal TV time with anyone who made enough votes to retain their deposit -- appearing on TV in slots where Screaming Lord Sutch ( a perennial ruuner for election)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 07:26 PM

The Sun bears more or less the same relationship to a reral newspapers that a Massage Parlour does to a HealthClub.

A bit like Fox News perhaps in relation to TV news.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 12:34 PM

Wow. I've never heard of a US newspaper going that far.

Most newspapers here- at least those with which I am familiar - in the weeks ahead detail their 'recommendations'. This is after months of interviewing candidates, running resumes and controversial issues with which that person has been involved.

I am of two minds about that. I like the publishing of candidates' positions and recaps of the candidates' careers but I don't really like the newspaper coming out with its official stance. After all, the newspaper is made up of many disparate views. Why should one view take precedence? Even a consensus has opposition.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 12:05 PM

Parliaments run five years, not even. The power to choose when to call an election does have disadvantages as well, and periodically there are suggestions for going over to some kind of fixed period system.

One thing that makes a difference here is that there are strict limits on how much any individual candidates can spend, and that is enforced - MPs have lost their seats for going over the limit. There are no limits on what parties can spend, but there is a lot of talk of putting a cap on that as well, because fund raising by parties is recognised as tending towards corruption.

And the fact that no paid election adverts are allowed changes the way elections are fought.

"On Election Day, the total topic is taboo to radio, TV, newspapers etc" Not really so. Some papers do go in for splash stories intended to affect the election. On the day of the 1992 general election the Sun ran a headline saying: "If Kinnock wins today, will the last person to leave Britain turn out the lights." And after the election resulted in Kinnock losing it ran a headline "It was the Sun what done it'.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 02:56 AM

As I recall, TrueBrit, the US had a variation of that rule at one time. Not TOO many years ago, all electioneering - on television and radio- had to end the day before.

About the only such rule now is that on election day no one can campaign within 200 yards (I think it is) of any polling place, nor can a person wear a candidate's button or hat or carry any other campaign material into a polling place.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 11:48 PM

Going back to Barry's point earlier of - dammit the next election isn't til 2008 -- a word to possibly trying the British system? The PM is, of course, the leader of the party in power at any one time. S/he gets to choose when the next election is held (I think it MUST be within 7 years but apart from that - the incumbent PM gets to pick). Once the date is selected, there is a very short period of time in which advertising may be carried out -- I haven't lived in the UK for a while but it is TRULY a short period (perhaps 45 days?). On Election Day, the total topic is taboo to radio, tv, newspapers etc (easier in a country with one time zone I admit). And THEN, once the election is over and the polls are closed -- the journalists can start commenting on it.

Keeps it in proportion, I think......

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 11:00 PM

Well, I think this thread gives us a pretty good idea of the nature of the campaign and the kind of arguments we can expect.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 08:34 PM

That's also a characteristic of addicted Gamblers. Double your stake when you are losing. If you aren't doing too well in one conflict, you start another.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 08:21 PM

"War without goal?

That is a war without a benchmark for success, a war whose reason for being changes as time passes, a war with no exit plan, a war that uses up lives and money with little or nothing to show for it. "


to put it another way...

'Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have lost sight of the original goal.'

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: mg
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 07:40 PM

the only reason to ever engage in war is to save people from something worse...which is slaughter, rape, enslavement, starvation, and torture and disease, probably all simultaneously. Knowing what will happen in all possible situations is hard to call (lots of the present situation was not hard to call...it is hard to fathom why we didn't impose martial law..read my lips.... not democracy...as we went in and loosen the grip as quickly as possible). mg

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 07:23 PM

I suppose if you thought a politician was an honourable and honest person, finding out he or she was a liar and a cheat would have to change your view of them, no matter whether that was personal or political lying and cheating.

I suppose it might be that your Democrat voters are more sceptical about politicians than your Republicans. Less of a sense of betrayal when the truth comes out maybe?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 07:04 PM

John Hardly, smeone else's adultery is not my business. My president and my government making war IS.

If I become aware that my neighbor is having an affair behind her husband's back I may not respect her for it - but it is NOT up to me to be the one to tell him.

War without goal?

That is a war without a benchmark for success, a war whose reason for being changes as time passes, a war with no exit plan, a war that uses up lives and money with little or nothing to show for it.

And no one knows how it will end.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 06:53 PM

In UK politics used to be said that for Tory politicians it was sexual scandals that were harder to survive, and for Labour politicians it was money scandals.

I'm not sure if it's still true. But I don't think anyone would ever suggest that there's any significant difference between the propensity Tory and Labour politicians to behave in ways that invite both sorts of scandal.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: John Hardly
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 06:38 PM

I would never have thought you had the legs for it, but that cheerleading outfit really looks cute on you, Greg F!

Got anything to add? ...I mean besides, you know, GO TEAM,GO!!! You never add much content to a discussion, but you got the enthusiasm thing down, man!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 06:34 PM

Democrats time and time again weather storms of scandal brought on by their sexual behavior and/or drug use. Republicans NEVER do.

Oh, please. The bullshitometer is pegged at full scale.

Or is this simply an example of the fantasy world BuShite apologists inhabit?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: John Hardly
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 05:38 PM

No TIA. That's not what I'm going to say. And it's not what I said. What I impied is that the rationale that nothing is, in itself, wrong, so long as I can find something wronger is as juvenile a rationale for evil as the word "wronger"...

....and Ebbie, of all people here, knows better. I find rationalization for all kinds of immoral behavior here........but never from Ebbie. Well, until this.

But, of course, we can all feel good anyway because, after all, I did score post #100.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 05:27 PM

"So, because of the war there isn't anything short of war that "your guys" could do that would be scandalous. Pretty safe bar you set there."

Damn right it's a safe bar. Or, are you really going to make the argument that adultery is every bit as immoral as lying nations into a war that kills thousand to hundreds of thousands?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 04:32 PM

Seems to me that people write "controversial", national enquirer, type books just for the profit.

Describe a "war without goal" please.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's goose is cooked
From: John Hardly
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 04:27 PM

"I admit I am more scandalized by those who make war without goal than I am about people who have consensual sex. The one is not my business, the other is *everyone's* business. And if you don't know which is which."

See? Adultry is "consentual sex" not scandal.

In addition, if you can say that what someone else does is worse, then there is even LESS than no scandal (if that were possible). So, because of the war there isn't anything short of war that "your guys" could do that would be scandalous. Pretty safe bar you set there.