BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:24 AM

"(QRS-11 autopilot) Once triggered, no one on board will be able to deactivate the system."


So... since auto landings aren't yet reliable (read always able to walk away from - if they were, then the military would have them in every plane, especially for carrier based aircraft!) the plane is pointing somewhere - not always the final destination, since commercial airliners are 'handed off' from one controller to another at differing heights and headings to stop them all flying into each other! - then suddenly the hostess carrying the tea tray to the pilot stumbles against the cockpit door, and BOING! nobody can control where it is going...

F*CK!

This is somehow desirable, and 'safer'

????!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 11:33 PM

"The dismal state of some facilities at Walter Reed cannot be directly attributed to poor performance by a contractor. After all, it has been only a few months since a politically connected firm called IAP Worldwide Services started taking over many of the management functions at the medical center.

Yet a battle over whether to outsource those functions has been going on since early 2000, when the Army commenced a cost-comparison study of support services at the medical center. Such studies—which were being promoted by the Clinton administration's "reinventing government" initiative led by Vice President Al Gore—forced groups of federal workers to compete with potential contractors to figure out which could perform a given function more efficiently."

from http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/03/06/outsourcing_walter_reed.php

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 11:17 PM

Please note:

Look closely and you will see some faint dotted lines under various words (look at 'discussed here' in the first paragraph). Click them, because they link to further info.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 11:15 PM

http://www.unbossed.net/index.php?itemid=1355

Keep a record of that link. These folks have done their homework.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 11:10 PM

"Currently, Dan Quayle is Chairman of Cerberus Global Investments, LLC (Cerberus), President of Quayle & Associates, and serves on the boards of directors of IAP Worldewide Services, Inc., K2, Inc and Aozora Bank, Ltd in Tokyo ."

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 11:03 PM

Donuel ... You trying to out perform Dennis Kucinich

The soul man Dennis

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:59 PM

Bt the way, some pages will undoubtedly vanish as this story gets legs.

I have seen the White House web pages vanish while browsing.

saving offline is a good idea incases such as these.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:57 PM

16 billion and what do ya get
another vet sicker and deeper in debt.

Tell St. Peter when I gotta go
I owe my soul to the company store.



Neo cons have billion$ of reasons to destroy America and the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:52 PM

Don, it's no secret. They openly publish this stuff on the www. That's how brazen they are and how secure they feel. Hell, IAP's value now is on the order of $16,000,000,000. They are a company that's all over the place. CACI does work for the Dept of Homeland Sec. These fuckers have been in bed with each other for years. The only people capable of dealing with them for any wrongs they may have done are the Senate and House. As an aside, Dan Quayle is on the Board of IAP.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:47 PM

http://www.iapws.com/Newsroom/Newsroom_details.aspx?id=63

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:45 PM

NB

""IAP is proud to have the opportunity to partner with CACI on FIRST," said Al Neffgen, IAP CEO. "FIRST requires project discipline and understanding of the Army's mission in a complex and changing environment to provide services in a disciplined and responsible fashion. IAP has a strong record of success providing logistical support for the Army and the warfighter, and we look forward to building on that success."" from http://www.iapws.com/Newsroom/Newsroom_details.aspx?id=63


": Does CACI currently provide interrogation services to the U.S. military in Iraq or at any other location such as Guantanamo Bay or Afghanistan?
: CACI does not currently provide interrogation services any where in the world, and it has never provided interrogators for work at Guantanamo or in Afghanistan. Civilian interrogators employed by other private companies have been involved in interrogation at Guantanamo and in Afghanistan, but Iraq is the only place where CACI employees ever provided interrogation services." from http://www.caci.com/iraq_faqs.shtml

Nice to know who sleeps with whom. Business goes on as usual . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:39 PM

Bush appointed Dole and Shalale to investigate the Walter Reed story.
I think the thing to do is to send a certified letter with return recipt to both Bob Dole and Shalale that contains this information, particularly the loose (good ol boy) connection to Halliburton, so that when the Dole report comes out I will have proof that he recieved information that he may neglect to mention in his final report.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:30 PM

Selected capabilities: [of I A P]

Base camp facilities and life support
Air traffic control
Power generation
Transportation and heavy lift
Facilities management
Program management
Engineering services
Disaster relief and cleanup
Procurement
Infrastructure reconstruction
Contingency planning
Augment existing workforces
Logistics planning
HVAC systems
Food and custodial services


Their Air Traffic Control is of interest to me. Also that they now have their hands in the IRS where they do some contract work. I'd wonder if then they have access to the IRS database. Nice access if ya know what I mean.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:27 PM

"> March 1, 2007
U.S. Navy Reaffirms Global Contingency Construction Contract Award to IAP, URS

> February 1, 2007
Retired Marine Corps Gen. Michael W. Hagee Appointed to IAP Board of Directors

> January 17, 2007
IAP Selected to Continue Supplying Emergency Ice Nationwide

> January 11, 2007
IAP Subsidiary Awarded U.K. Prison Contract

> January 5, 2007
Edward R. Hamm Promoted to IAP Senior Vice President, Facilities Management

> January 5, 2007
G3 Systems Awarded Contract to Provide Medical Facilities for Afghanistan Airfield

> December 22, 2006
IAP to Partner with CACI to Provide Logistics Support to U.S. Army

> December 21, 2006
G3 Systems Opens New Integration Facility

> December 14, 2006
Department of Defense Renews IAP Contract to Manage the Defense Visual Information Center

> December 13, 2006
State of Florida Awards IAP Contract to Provide Emergency Power for Special Needs Shelters"

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:24 PM

Man, you are good.

Not even MSNBC could dig up the root faster than you.

Besides being a teacher , were you also a journalist?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:23 PM

Uh-huh. Think: "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" - John Perkins

The job of an economic hit man is not to improve society or spread freedom. It is to land lucrative contracts for major corporations and enlarge their profits.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:22 PM

Interesting to note that

1) Cerberus is the dog that guards the gates of Hell
2) Cerberus owns Bushmaster Firearms

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:13 PM

"IAP is owned by Cerberus Capital Management, a New York hedge fund chaired by John W. Snow, the former Treasury secretary [under George W Bush]. The company specializes in global operations and logistics, facilities management, and professional and technical services. Last year, IAP acquired Johnson Controls World Services, a longtime federal contractor."

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:06 PM

"The letter said Walter Reed also awarded a five-year, $120-million contract to IAP Worldwide Services, which is run by Al Neffgen, a former senior Halliburton official."

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 10:01 PM

WHAT DOES KATRINA RELIEF AND WALTER REED HAVE IN COMMON?

The same private firm hired by FEMA to deliver life saving water and ice to NEw Orleans (3 weeks late) is the very same firm that the Defense Dept. outsourced the care and maintenence of Walter Reed with less than 100 private employees which replaced 400 - 500 experienced goverment workers.

The company's name, I A P Worldwide Services.
http://www.iapws.com/who/heritage.aspx

What I have not been able to find out yet is if they are a subsidery of Kellog Brown and Root / Halliburton.

But they smell the same so far. http://www.iapws.com/who/heritage.aspx

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: GUEST,9q4ruj f j pvu u
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:47 PM

The name came to me in a sneeze. Now I use my great powers of copy and paste to summon it.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:34 PM

Hmmm. Well, that's interesting. The technology certainly exists to fly planes automatically wherever you want to fly them, and crash them too, if you want to. Only question is, was it involved at all in 911?

Number 6 - Yeah, I would've loved to have been in school in Canada instead at the time, I can assure you. ;-) I was in a small and spectacularly rightwing town in upstate New York. "Liberals" were definitely an endangered species around there...in fact, they were almost unheard of. Rural New York State is a very different world from New York City in that respect. I moved back to Canada in '69, after finishing high school.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:30 PM

I gotta ask this: What does 9q4ruj f j pvu u mean? And how does he/she remember to type it the same way every time?
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: GUEST,9q4ruj f j pvu u
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:24 PM

Some of the folks you're talking to are from the "greatest generation" in the U.S., Little Hawk. Those old hogs aren't going to lift a lip against the government because it might endanger their pensions. Kudos for trying to educate them, though.

I need to go back and find my categorization effort...the thing I was doing on the issue of denial. The people supporting the boxcutter Jihad myth are a pretty fascinating group. The ones who aren't govt operatives, that is.

I just heard part of an interview, and the next big slap in the face of the govt's 9/11 lie may involve a retiring Northwest airline pilot. Says he has evidence of a missile guidance system in Boeing's planes. A quick search shows this on the system, known as the QRS-11. The thing definitely exists, and Boeing paid fines for using the dangerous system. A Boeing spokesman said:

"We have not resolved QRS-11 [a gyrochip Boeing exported inside some of its commercial jets without an export license between 2000 and 2003], which is a BCA issue. But the other four, we have paid a total of $50 million in penalties, we've had three consent decrees and several special compliance officers...."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002772424_boeingtranscript31.html

Some stuff about this on infowars.com's page today. Then, oddly, this story appeared in a U.K. paper 3 days ago:

New autopilot will make another 9/11 impossible

Scientists at aircraft giant Boeing are testing the tamper-proof autopilot system which uses state-of-the-art computer and satellite technology.

It will be activated by the pilot flicking a simple switch or by pressure sensors fitted to the cockpit door that will respond to any excessive force as terrorists try to break into the flight deck.

Once triggered, no one on board will be able to deactivate the system. Currently, all autopilots are manually switched on and off at the discretion of pilots....

The pilot being interviewed said this system most likely uses the QRS-11, and that's what took over control of the planes on 9/11.

The "official version" of 9/11 is dead. Decapitated, drawn and quartered. Yet some people think it's still walking around. All you can do is repeat the obvious and add more grains of sand to the scale as they appear.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 08:31 PM

The latin derivation of the word conspiracy is "to breathe together"

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 08:04 PM

"do we go for the Australian rules?"

Aussie Rules is getting popular in the USA

(Our friends from the Great White North (Canada) have challenged us (USA) to a junior Aussie Rules match to be held in Vancouver, BC, in the summer of '07. ...)

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:59 PM

LH ... to bad you went to an American High school .. I do remember my grade 10 history and the mention of the of the Americans forcing the Japanese with various embargos to tempt them into hostile aggression.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:39 PM

That's the issue peace ... do we go for the Australian rules?

I think the Canadian definition would just make things to complicated if we apply them to this thread.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:39 PM

Number 6, I recall Grade 10 history in New York State. I do not recall ever being offered a hint that Roosevelt made moves which might have been intended to provoke Japan into launching a war. All I remember was lots of emphasis on the "day of infamy" aspect, the "sneak attack", the cruelty and bestiality of the Japanese, and stuff like that.

I mean, it was as if they were still trying to get us schoolkids mad enough to enlist right away and go off to Asia and kill "slant-eyed, bucktoothed little maniacs" for America....and that was a whole generation later, after the fact.

How long does hatred for another people have to be maintained in a "free society"? And what for? What good could it possibly do?

Would it serve to expiate guilt for having dropped atomic bombs on 2 cities, and incinerating a few others with conventional bombing? I wonder.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:37 PM

"(other than a husband and wife)"

So, wot's the odds Bush and Cheney tie the knot?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:31 PM

The Canadian legal definition of Conspiracy ...

Conspiracy: A criminal offence that is complete whenever two or more persons (other than a husband and wife) agree to do something that is unlawful, or something that is lawful by unlawful means.

So ... are we playing Australian rules or what?

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:29 PM

That Australian definition sounds like a pretty good one to me, Foolestroupe. Yes, we all assume that a "conspiracy" implies results that are detrimental to someone, and also illegal.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:19 PM

I should have added that it is the 'outcome' as interpreted by The Law that establishes a conspiracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:18 PM

Thanks for the history refresh LH ... I remember all that rhetoric in my grade 10 history.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: number 6
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:15 PM

Now we have the definition of 'conspiracy' and 'conspiracy theory' established ... let the posts continue ................

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:14 PM

bubblyrat, the USA high command DID know that a Japanese attack was imminent. They fully expected a wide-ranging Japanese attack to commence at any time after the beginning of Dec '41. They were nervously waiting for it. They had been tracking the Japanese carriers as best they could (by monitoring radio transmissions) and were perturbed by a sustained period of silence in those transmissions for a couple of weeks prior to Dec 7, suggesting strongly that the Japanese were commencing setting up a long range attack and attempting to avoid detection of same through radio silence.

Roosevelt DID want a war with Japan, and he made sure to get one by cutting off their overseas sources of oil and steel earlier in 1941 by a trade embargo. War was inevitable after that, and Roosevelt knew it.

Whether they knew Pearl Harbor would be hit is hard to say. They may have underestimated Japanese capability to launch a serious raid at that distance from their home bases. They certainly expected the Japanese to hit Clark Field (in the Phillipines) and invade the Phillipine Islands. They may or may not have expected them to hit Pearl...by "they", I mean FDR and the top brass.

I'd give it a 50/50 chance that they knew a raid was coming shortly on Pearl...but even if they did, I doubt they had the slightest notion just how effective and deadly the Japanese attack would be. They were accustomed to thinking of the Japanese forces as far inferior to those of the USA or Britain. They were in for a big surprise in that regard. The Japanese were far and away the MOST effective navy and naval air force in the world in 1941. They were superbly trained, experienced from years of fighting in China, and equipped with the finest naval aircraft squadrons in the world.

Roosevelt knew war was coming in late '41. He may have known an attack on Pearl was coming. But he did not know how competitive the Japanese war machine was.

In the end it didn't matter. The USA had the industrial strength to overwhelm both Japan AND Germany in the long run, and Roosevelt knew it. Therefore he arranged to get in the war by provoking Japan with his trade embargo. I'd have to say that it was a smart decision on FDR's part...and a most unfortunate and tragic decision on the part of the Japanese...but it was inevitable, considering their national character. "They preferred to die fighting than live on their knees..." to quote the old phrase.

So, did Roosevelt conspire to get the USA in a war with Japan...and in short order from there, with Germany? You bet he did. ;-) And like I say, probably a smart move on his part. Hitler fell for it like a lead balloon, and conveniently declared war on the USA, saving FDR the trouble of having to convince Congress to declare war on Germany first (which could have taken some time to arrange, given that Germany had not yet attacked the USA).

Roosevelt was clever. Bush's wars, however, I do not call a smart move. I think they rank among the dumbest moves ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:11 PM

"How do you define the word "conspiracy"?"

Australian Law defines it as several people acting together (against the law) to produce an outcome detrimental to someone - these 'conspirators' do not even have to be in contact with each other, physically, or by any other communication means.

Case law.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:38 PM

I sat and watched a lot of that 'live'....I musta missed the 'alien structure' and commentary

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:06 PM

If the film is doctored, it is beyond my expertise.
I wouldn't know where to begin

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: 3refs
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 02:04 PM

"Rush Limbaugh says that "what we have here is a criminalization of politics. IF Ronald Reagan could say he didn't remember, why can't Libby?"

Because they have photographic proof that Ronny was asleep at the wheel on more than one occasion.

I forgot! Pictures can be doctored.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:50 PM

And that would not be photo-shopped, NG?

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:39 PM

Ancient structure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkGTJEK0Mc&mode=related&search=

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:17 PM

Conspiracy theory
4 out of 5 dentists prefer Crest

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:15 PM

And there are bugs crawling in your eyelashes, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 01:02 PM

Monsanto Used Sick People Like Lab Rats In GM Trials

NRC used orphanages and GIs for radiation experiments

Electronic voting can be manipulated.

There have been over 100 atmospheric nuclear tests.
20 of which were done in near orbital space.

There are insecticides in your breakfast cereal.

George W's IQ is over 100.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:43 PM

Borat is the father of Cheney's grandchild.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: bubblyrat
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:42 PM

Well ,what if it really was a "conspiracy" , and the whole thing was planned and expedited by the US government ?? How are you going to PROVE it ?? What are you planning to DO about ?? What other theories have you got ?? Next ,you"ll be saying that the US government   knew about the Japanese fleet approaching Pearl Harbour, but held back the information,as they wanted an excuse to enter the war, in order to prevent the murder of any more Jews in Germany . Well,it"s POSSIBLE ,isn"t it ?? Like the British Government, who deliberately carried out the murder of Lord Mountbatten, in order to discredit the IRA, and then murdered Princess Diana because they didn"t like her boyfriend"s dad ?? And then discovered fairies at the bottom of the garden ??

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:38 PM

sIx: We go back too far for there ever to be any need of apologies between us. We've been friends for years, and nothing we say on this site is gonna change that.

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:37 PM

Conspiracy theory

Why did Syria rattle its sabres and say that they have small pox weapons that they will use if the US should invade Iran.
(maybe they got Saddam's cache of weapons.)

Subject: RE: BS: Conspiracy: Thread for those who want it
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 12:36 PM

Cosmic conspiracy
Asteroids and comets could hit the Earth. Has anyone ever seen this happen? case closed.